Worse Than Treason

The problem is most of the voter irregularities happened at the state level under state jurisdiction. So the DOJ's hands are tied when it comes to voter fraud allegations within the state. ... :cool:

I agree with you about irregularities ... this is for state courts to apply state laws ... and every one of these court cases have been thrown out ...

However ... voter fraud is a crime at both levels ... DoJ's hands are not tied in the least little bit ... Eric Blair is claiming there's 20,000 ballots with Trump's bubble white out'ed and Biden's bubble filled in ... that's a crime ... Bill Barr can pursue this if the State AG won't ... but there's been no legal evidence yet ... it's all made up bullshit like Eric Blair's "absolute proof", bullshit claims that can't be backed up ...

There's many things we can tell a legislative panel that we'd be imprisoned for if we said to a court of law ... like lies ...
 
have you listened to anything Trump has said ?? Find me 11780 votes for example? etc etc

Please read the 1st Amendment to our Constitution ... see where it says Free Speech? ... each of us can say just about anything we want to ... I've personally be advocating the destruction of the State of Oregon for years ... them bastards ...

That's true in a legal sense, but at least in the recent past, we held our elected representative's to a higher stander.


Now thanks in large part to Trumpybear and the Banana Republicans, lying while not under oath is expected if it will help Team Trumpybear.
 
Worse Than Treason
No amount of rationalizing can change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party is advocating for the overthrow of an American election.

“We are what we pretend to be,” Kurt Vonnegut wrote in the opening of his 1962 novel, Mother Night, “and so we must be careful what we pretend to be.” Republicans in Congress are pretending to be seditionists—and so they have become, in fact, seditionists.

Forget all the whispered denials and the off-the-record expressions of concern in private; ignore the knowing smirks on camera from GOP officials who are desperately trying to indicate that they’re in on the joke. Brush aside the caviling of the anti-anti-Trump writers who would rather talk about that time in 2017 when some Democrats objected to the Electoral College vote (and were gaveled down by Joe Biden himself).
This is sedition, plain and simple. No amount of playacting and rationalizing can change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party and its apologists are advocating for the overthrow of an American election and the continued rule of a sociopathic autocrat.
This is not some handful of firebrands making a stand for the television cameras. In 2005, one Democrat in the House and one in the Senate filed an objection to counting Ohio’s electoral votes, while insisting that they were not contesting the outcome of the presidential election itself. In 2017, a handful of Democratic members of the House objected to the electoral count. Because they lacked support in the Senate, then–Vice President Biden ruled the representatives out of order and declared, “It is over.” In both cases, the Democratic candidate had already conceded.

Today, the “sedition caucus” includes at least 140 members of the House—that is, some two-thirds of the House GOP membership—and at least 10 members of the Senate. Their challenge comes after weeks of insistence that the 2020 election was rigged, plagued by fraud, and even subverted by foreign powers. The president and his minions have filed, and lost, scores of lawsuits that ranged from minor disputes over process to childlike, error-filled briefs full of bizarre assertions.

Instead of threatening to gavel these objections into irrelevance, as Biden did four years ago, Vice President Mike Pence “welcomes” these challenges. Pence’s career is finished, but he could have stood for the Constitution he claims to love and which he swore to defend. However, cowardice is contagious, and no mask was thick enough to protect Pence from the pathogen of fear.
Perhaps the sedition caucus didn’t mean to go this far. Its members began by arguing that we all just needed to humor President Trump, to give him time to process the loss, and to treat the president of the United States as a toddler who was going home empty-handed. He wouldn’t be a dead-ender, they assured us, because that would be too humiliating. The Republican Party would never immolate itself for a proven loser.

But for Trump, there is no such thing as too much humiliation. The only shame in Trump world lies in admitting defeat. And so Trump doubled down, as anyone who had watched him for more than 10 minutes knew he would. And then he tripled, quadrupled, quintupled down. And just as they have done for the past four years, elected Republicans tried to convince themselves that if they supported this outrage, it would be the last time they would be required to surrender their dignity; that this betrayal of the Constitution would be the last treachery demanded of them. That if they complied one more time, they would be allowed to go back to their privileged lives far from the districts they claim to represent—places few of them really want to live after tasting life in the Emerald City.
It is possible that the sedition caucus knew that all these challenges would fail. It is possible that they know their last insult to American democracy, on Wednesday, will go nowhere, as well. This is irrelevant: Engaging in sedition for insincere reasons does not make it less hideous. Arguing that you betrayed the Constitution only as theater is no defense.

Indeed, shredding the Constitution purely for personal gain is perhaps the worst of the sins of the sedition caucus. It would almost be a relief to know that these Republicans really believe what they’re trying to sell, that they are genuine fanatics and ideologues who have at least paid us the respect of pitting their sincere beliefs against our own.
But we are, in the main, dealing with people who are far worse than true believers. The Republican Party is infested with craven opportunists, the kind of people who will try to tell us later that they were “just asking questions,” that they were “defending the process,” and of course, that they were merely representing “the will of the people.” Senators Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz are not idiots. These are men who understand perfectly well what they are doing. Senator Mitt Romney sees it clearly, noting that his GOP colleagues are engaged in “an egregious ploy” to “enhance political ambition.”

People of goodwill across the United States want some sort of road map to oppose this cold-blooded attack on the Constitution, but none exists. As James Madison warned us, without a virtuous people, no system of checks and balances will work. The Republicans have gone from being a party that touted virtue to being the most squalid and grubby expression of institutionalized self-interest in the modern history of the American republic.

The real solution will come after all of these schemes fail. Voters must not take the bait and try to tinker with hasty legal and constitutional fixes. These, too, will fail to contain a party that is determined to destroy legal and moral norms in the pursuit of raw power. The better course is to turn our attention to the business of governing, while vowing to drive every member of the sedition caucus out of our public life, both through the ballot box and by shunning their enablers.
The members of the public and the institutions of American life should shroud these seditionists in silence and opprobrium in perpetuity: no television interviews, no sinecures at universities or think tanks, no rehabilitating book tours, no jokey late-night appearances, no self-serving op-eds.
The sedition caucus is worse than a treasonous conspiracy. At least real traitors believe in something. These people instead believe only in their own fortunes and thus will change flags and loyalties as circumstances require. They will always become what they pretend to be, and so they cannot—and must not—be trusted ever again with political power.

Worse Than Treason

#StoptheSteal

#BidenXi

Take your meds, Loon. They look like these

web-antipsycho-drugs-getty-DONTUSEAGAIN.jpg
 
So I guess that means you aren't challenging my citation.
Good to know. Over sixty law suits filled in federal and state courts and NOT ONE SINGLE SUIT has been
dismissed based on the case itself and the facts contained within.

You are remarkably ignorant of this facts of this matter. Courts will not even deal with evidence.
They have dismissed all these cases based not on facts but on procedural claims and sometimes
without any comment at all. They just refuse to hear the case.

The Supreme Court, for instance, refused to hear the Texas case because they claimed Texas doesn't have any standing to sue Swing States. In reality when one state has a legal problem with another the SC is the ONLY
place such a suit can take place.
And John Roberts and his crew of liars also said a state such as Michigan illegally changing their election
laws in order to thwart Trump doesn't involve Texas, as if robbing and disenfranchising the nation
was not the business of Texas, and the other states that signed onto the suit.

Just piss off! You take up my time with your idiocy.

I called for your math and you won't provide it ... loser ... not one ballot had the ink on The Donald's vote lifted, not one ballot was switched ... or you could show me the ballot ... you know, evidence ... ha ha ha ...
 
So far ... Republicans have been respecting the court's decisions ... so no sedation ... they are exercising their Right of Free Speech ... don't we all ... maybe you're confusing the two ...

This all started out with Repubs saying let trump have his day in court. He lost over 60 times. Now they have moved the goal post. These people are now trying to overturn the fairest and most investigated election in US history. They will pay.
 
Worse Than Treason
No amount of rationalizing can change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party is advocating for the overthrow of an American election.

“We are what we pretend to be,” Kurt Vonnegut wrote in the opening of his 1962 novel, Mother Night, “and so we must be careful what we pretend to be.” Republicans in Congress are pretending to be seditionists—and so they have become, in fact, seditionists.

Forget all the whispered denials and the off-the-record expressions of concern in private; ignore the knowing smirks on camera from GOP officials who are desperately trying to indicate that they’re in on the joke. Brush aside the caviling of the anti-anti-Trump writers who would rather talk about that time in 2017 when some Democrats objected to the Electoral College vote (and were gaveled down by Joe Biden himself).
This is sedition, plain and simple. No amount of playacting and rationalizing can change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party and its apologists are advocating for the overthrow of an American election and the continued rule of a sociopathic autocrat.
This is not some handful of firebrands making a stand for the television cameras. In 2005, one Democrat in the House and one in the Senate filed an objection to counting Ohio’s electoral votes, while insisting that they were not contesting the outcome of the presidential election itself. In 2017, a handful of Democratic members of the House objected to the electoral count. Because they lacked support in the Senate, then–Vice President Biden ruled the representatives out of order and declared, “It is over.” In both cases, the Democratic candidate had already conceded.

Today, the “sedition caucus” includes at least 140 members of the House—that is, some two-thirds of the House GOP membership—and at least 10 members of the Senate. Their challenge comes after weeks of insistence that the 2020 election was rigged, plagued by fraud, and even subverted by foreign powers. The president and his minions have filed, and lost, scores of lawsuits that ranged from minor disputes over process to childlike, error-filled briefs full of bizarre assertions.

Instead of threatening to gavel these objections into irrelevance, as Biden did four years ago, Vice President Mike Pence “welcomes” these challenges. Pence’s career is finished, but he could have stood for the Constitution he claims to love and which he swore to defend. However, cowardice is contagious, and no mask was thick enough to protect Pence from the pathogen of fear.
Perhaps the sedition caucus didn’t mean to go this far. Its members began by arguing that we all just needed to humor President Trump, to give him time to process the loss, and to treat the president of the United States as a toddler who was going home empty-handed. He wouldn’t be a dead-ender, they assured us, because that would be too humiliating. The Republican Party would never immolate itself for a proven loser.

But for Trump, there is no such thing as too much humiliation. The only shame in Trump world lies in admitting defeat. And so Trump doubled down, as anyone who had watched him for more than 10 minutes knew he would. And then he tripled, quadrupled, quintupled down. And just as they have done for the past four years, elected Republicans tried to convince themselves that if they supported this outrage, it would be the last time they would be required to surrender their dignity; that this betrayal of the Constitution would be the last treachery demanded of them. That if they complied one more time, they would be allowed to go back to their privileged lives far from the districts they claim to represent—places few of them really want to live after tasting life in the Emerald City.
It is possible that the sedition caucus knew that all these challenges would fail. It is possible that they know their last insult to American democracy, on Wednesday, will go nowhere, as well. This is irrelevant: Engaging in sedition for insincere reasons does not make it less hideous. Arguing that you betrayed the Constitution only as theater is no defense.

Indeed, shredding the Constitution purely for personal gain is perhaps the worst of the sins of the sedition caucus. It would almost be a relief to know that these Republicans really believe what they’re trying to sell, that they are genuine fanatics and ideologues who have at least paid us the respect of pitting their sincere beliefs against our own.
But we are, in the main, dealing with people who are far worse than true believers. The Republican Party is infested with craven opportunists, the kind of people who will try to tell us later that they were “just asking questions,” that they were “defending the process,” and of course, that they were merely representing “the will of the people.” Senators Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz are not idiots. These are men who understand perfectly well what they are doing. Senator Mitt Romney sees it clearly, noting that his GOP colleagues are engaged in “an egregious ploy” to “enhance political ambition.”

People of goodwill across the United States want some sort of road map to oppose this cold-blooded attack on the Constitution, but none exists. As James Madison warned us, without a virtuous people, no system of checks and balances will work. The Republicans have gone from being a party that touted virtue to being the most squalid and grubby expression of institutionalized self-interest in the modern history of the American republic.

The real solution will come after all of these schemes fail. Voters must not take the bait and try to tinker with hasty legal and constitutional fixes. These, too, will fail to contain a party that is determined to destroy legal and moral norms in the pursuit of raw power. The better course is to turn our attention to the business of governing, while vowing to drive every member of the sedition caucus out of our public life, both through the ballot box and by shunning their enablers.
The members of the public and the institutions of American life should shroud these seditionists in silence and opprobrium in perpetuity: no television interviews, no sinecures at universities or think tanks, no rehabilitating book tours, no jokey late-night appearances, no self-serving op-eds.
The sedition caucus is worse than a treasonous conspiracy. At least real traitors believe in something. These people instead believe only in their own fortunes and thus will change flags and loyalties as circumstances require. They will always become what they pretend to be, and so they cannot—and must not—be trusted ever again with political power.

Worse Than Treason

#StoptheSteal

#BidenXi

Take your meds, Loon. They look like these

web-antipsycho-drugs-getty-DONTUSEAGAIN.jpg

Sober up Frank...
 
I called for your math and you won't provide it ... loser ... not one ballot had the ink on The Donald's vote lifted, not one ballot was switched ... or you could show me the ballot ... you know, evidence ... ha ha ha ...
You can sit on my ignore list because I went to the trouble to send you a link that provided actual scientific data that proves election theft and you still have the guts to lie to my face about it. So long, loser.
 
Worse Than Treason
No amount of rationalizing can change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party is advocating for the overthrow of an American election.

“We are what we pretend to be,” Kurt Vonnegut wrote in the opening of his 1962 novel, Mother Night, “and so we must be careful what we pretend to be.” Republicans in Congress are pretending to be seditionists—and so they have become, in fact, seditionists.

Forget all the whispered denials and the off-the-record expressions of concern in private; ignore the knowing smirks on camera from GOP officials who are desperately trying to indicate that they’re in on the joke. Brush aside the caviling of the anti-anti-Trump writers who would rather talk about that time in 2017 when some Democrats objected to the Electoral College vote (and were gaveled down by Joe Biden himself).
This is sedition, plain and simple. No amount of playacting and rationalizing can change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party and its apologists are advocating for the overthrow of an American election and the continued rule of a sociopathic autocrat.
This is not some handful of firebrands making a stand for the television cameras. In 2005, one Democrat in the House and one in the Senate filed an objection to counting Ohio’s electoral votes, while insisting that they were not contesting the outcome of the presidential election itself. In 2017, a handful of Democratic members of the House objected to the electoral count. Because they lacked support in the Senate, then–Vice President Biden ruled the representatives out of order and declared, “It is over.” In both cases, the Democratic candidate had already conceded.

Today, the “sedition caucus” includes at least 140 members of the House—that is, some two-thirds of the House GOP membership—and at least 10 members of the Senate. Their challenge comes after weeks of insistence that the 2020 election was rigged, plagued by fraud, and even subverted by foreign powers. The president and his minions have filed, and lost, scores of lawsuits that ranged from minor disputes over process to childlike, error-filled briefs full of bizarre assertions.

Instead of threatening to gavel these objections into irrelevance, as Biden did four years ago, Vice President Mike Pence “welcomes” these challenges. Pence’s career is finished, but he could have stood for the Constitution he claims to love and which he swore to defend. However, cowardice is contagious, and no mask was thick enough to protect Pence from the pathogen of fear.
Perhaps the sedition caucus didn’t mean to go this far. Its members began by arguing that we all just needed to humor President Trump, to give him time to process the loss, and to treat the president of the United States as a toddler who was going home empty-handed. He wouldn’t be a dead-ender, they assured us, because that would be too humiliating. The Republican Party would never immolate itself for a proven loser.

But for Trump, there is no such thing as too much humiliation. The only shame in Trump world lies in admitting defeat. And so Trump doubled down, as anyone who had watched him for more than 10 minutes knew he would. And then he tripled, quadrupled, quintupled down. And just as they have done for the past four years, elected Republicans tried to convince themselves that if they supported this outrage, it would be the last time they would be required to surrender their dignity; that this betrayal of the Constitution would be the last treachery demanded of them. That if they complied one more time, they would be allowed to go back to their privileged lives far from the districts they claim to represent—places few of them really want to live after tasting life in the Emerald City.
It is possible that the sedition caucus knew that all these challenges would fail. It is possible that they know their last insult to American democracy, on Wednesday, will go nowhere, as well. This is irrelevant: Engaging in sedition for insincere reasons does not make it less hideous. Arguing that you betrayed the Constitution only as theater is no defense.

Indeed, shredding the Constitution purely for personal gain is perhaps the worst of the sins of the sedition caucus. It would almost be a relief to know that these Republicans really believe what they’re trying to sell, that they are genuine fanatics and ideologues who have at least paid us the respect of pitting their sincere beliefs against our own.
But we are, in the main, dealing with people who are far worse than true believers. The Republican Party is infested with craven opportunists, the kind of people who will try to tell us later that they were “just asking questions,” that they were “defending the process,” and of course, that they were merely representing “the will of the people.” Senators Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz are not idiots. These are men who understand perfectly well what they are doing. Senator Mitt Romney sees it clearly, noting that his GOP colleagues are engaged in “an egregious ploy” to “enhance political ambition.”

People of goodwill across the United States want some sort of road map to oppose this cold-blooded attack on the Constitution, but none exists. As James Madison warned us, without a virtuous people, no system of checks and balances will work. The Republicans have gone from being a party that touted virtue to being the most squalid and grubby expression of institutionalized self-interest in the modern history of the American republic.

The real solution will come after all of these schemes fail. Voters must not take the bait and try to tinker with hasty legal and constitutional fixes. These, too, will fail to contain a party that is determined to destroy legal and moral norms in the pursuit of raw power. The better course is to turn our attention to the business of governing, while vowing to drive every member of the sedition caucus out of our public life, both through the ballot box and by shunning their enablers.
The members of the public and the institutions of American life should shroud these seditionists in silence and opprobrium in perpetuity: no television interviews, no sinecures at universities or think tanks, no rehabilitating book tours, no jokey late-night appearances, no self-serving op-eds.
The sedition caucus is worse than a treasonous conspiracy. At least real traitors believe in something. These people instead believe only in their own fortunes and thus will change flags and loyalties as circumstances require. They will always become what they pretend to be, and so they cannot—and must not—be trusted ever again with political power.

Worse Than Treason

#StoptheSteal

#BidenXi

Take your meds, Loon. They look like these

web-antipsycho-drugs-getty-DONTUSEAGAIN.jpg

Sober up Frank...

Take your meds, Biden Loon.

web-antipsycho-drugs-getty-DONTUSEAGAIN.jpg
 
Just curious Will What would you call it ? After 61 law suites and the SC said BS??
I would call it the Deep State defending the fixed election.
There is absolute proof as data scientists have absolutely demonstrated election fraud.
61 court cases and the Supreme Court said republicans were FOS Afraid to say fraud in court because they'd lose their license but on tv they spouted their crap


Name one tactic that is illegal. If you can't, just STFU.

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That's true in a legal sense, but at least in the recent past, we held our elected representative's to a higher stander.
Now thanks in large part to Trumpybear and the Banana Republicans, lying while not under oath is expected if it will help Team Trumpybear.

Does the oath of office include the prohibition to lie? ... I don't think so, or if it is, it's not enforced ... now, swearing an oath in a court of law to tell the truth is enforceable ... the President swears to uphold the Constitution, and sometimes that means lying ...

I would like for this to change ... make politicians fulfill their campaign promises ... but that has to up to us to do ... nothing has happened here in the past 4 years that we weren't told would in 2016 ... for that, The Donald earned my vote ... but I can only wish Americans rewarded truthful politicians ...
 
You can sit on my ignore list because I went to the trouble to send you a link that provided actual scientific data that proves election theft and you still have the guts to lie to my face about it. So long, loser.

Bragging about having to use your ignore list? ... there's not even a link to the press releases in question in your citation ... let alone any description of the math they used to come up with the figures they present ... that means they are making it up as they go along ... because these numbers would have been available with a week of the election ... but they're magically appearing now after two solid months ...

Lame sauce ... and a loser for needing an ignore list function ... just a simple lack of intelligence ... even Ed thinks you're an idiot ... "Okay Boomer" ...
 
So far ... Republicans have been respecting the court's decisions ... so no sedation ... they are exercising their Right of Free Speech ... don't we all ... maybe you're confusing the two ...

This all started out with Repubs saying let trump have his day in court. He lost over 60 times. Now they have moved the goal post. These people are now trying to overturn the fairest and most investigated election in US history. They will pay.

They know this next "Hail Mary" ahs no chance and will not work because they need both houses to agree to the objection to throw out the electors from a state.

They will pay. I mean the donors will pay that is....
 
So far ... Republicans have been respecting the court's decisions ... so no sedation ... they are exercising their Right of Free Speech ... don't we all ... maybe you're confusing the two ...
have you listened to anything Trump has said ?? Find me 11780 votes for example? etc etc

Out of the more than 100,000 that were stolen.
We ask authorities to look for stolen property all of the time
 
Worse Than Treason
No amount of rationalizing can change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party is advocating for the overthrow of an American election.

Oh STFU!

The Democratic president of the United States and his proven criminal Cabinet / Administration colluded with the Russians, using known propaganda authored by the Russian Intelligence Service delivered by a Trump-hating foreign spy, in a failed coup attempt to overthrow the United States government by illegally removing the newly elected President.

For 4 years the Democrats engaged in Obstruction of Justice, Perjury, Sedition, Creating and submitting criminal false evidence as legitimate evidence, illegally spied on Americans / reporters / the media / US Senators, USSC Justices, political opponents / a newly elected President and his team, committed FISA Court crimes not only in 2016 but for DECADES.... Democrats spent 4 years engaging in non-stop failed coup attempts to include the 1st admitted Political Partisan Impeachment based on zero crime, zero evidence, and zero witnesses in US history.

For 4 years Democrats declared President Trump was NOT their President and did everything they could to undermine and overthrow the US government through removing President Trump at all costs.....

...and now the same Democrats who did this, the same snowflakes who wept when Hillary lost and ran out into the streets to scream at the sky, want Americans to ignore the proven fact that Pa violated both state and federal Constitutions and laws. to ignore the proven election fraud /crimes - acknowledged by not only the USSC but the Chief justice of the USSC - and to 'accept the election results and move on'.....what, like THEY did?

What a fu@king JOKE!

There is a definite reason Democrats, the fake news media, ands snowflakes refuse to be transparent, oppose investigations / audits, and want to run like hell towards a Biden Presidency without looking back. They are demonstrating the same 'transparency' and willingness to be transparent as Barry and HIS administration, which was officially declared the most FOIA and FRA criminally NON-compliant administration in history!

The last thing Democrats, the fake news media, and snowflakes want is for Americans / Conservatives to use THEIR last 4-year criminal behavior as an example / blueprint of how to act the next 4 years.
Obama has a perfect record. Clinton had a perfect other than getting a b.j. in the white house which made republicans jealous cuz they can't score like that. The last honest republican president was Ike.
 
Javon Hutton Pultizer reported yesterday that ballots were received in the 2020 election that were completed by machine.
Javon Pulitzer reported yesterday on Twitter that ballots were provided in the 2020 election that he can confirm were filled in by a machine. Of course, this means that these ballots are fraudulent. Individuals fill in circles in ballots and do not use machines to do so.
That is treason. Supporting a fraudulent election is treason.
 

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