Worlds Most Evil&Lawless Institution:US Executive Branch?

[georgephillip]

Imagine you set out on a 27 hour drive from New York to Miami.
Imagine a row of bodies, "laid end to end, running alongside you all the way..."

"You are struck that most are middle-aged or older men and women, younger women, or children..."

"If you can imagine such a drive you can begin to get a feeling for former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara's mid-range estimate of 1.2 million civilians killed by U.S. firepower in Vietnam.

"(The U.S. Senate Refugee Committee estimated 430,000 civilian dead at the end of the war. Later estimates as more information has become available, e.g. by Nick Turse, author of Kill Anything That Moves, put the number as high as 2 million.)"

Why do most parents seldom mention this Evil to their children?
For the same reasons politicians, government officials and most public intellectuals choose to ignore it.
The same motives that many high school and college textbooks use to justify their lies of omission.

What part of per$onal respon$ibility are these "leader$" confu$ed about?

"U.S. leaders have never acknowledged their responsibility for ruining so many lives, let alone apologized or made proper amends to the survivors.

"Those responsible have not been punished, but rewarded.

"The memory of it has been erased from national consciousness, as U.S. leaders endlessly declare their nation’s, and their own, goodness.

"Millions of civilian lives swept under the rug, forgotten, as if this mass murder and maiming, the destruction of countless homes and villages, this epic violation of basic human decency—and laws protecting civilians in time of war which U.S. leaders have promised to observe—never happened."

World's Most Evil and Lawless Institution? The Executive Branch of the U.S. Government | Alternet

 

[georgephillip]

"America has a secret. It is not discussed in polite company or at the dinner tables of the powerful, rich and famous.

"Parents do not teach it to their children. Best-selling authors do not write about it. Politicians and government officials ignore it. Intellectuals avoid it. High school and college textbooks do not refer to it. TV pundits do not comment on it. Teachers do not teach it.

"Journalists from the nation's most highly regarded TV news shows, newspapers and magazines, do not report it.

"Columnists do not opine about it.
"Editorial writers do not editorialize about it.
"Religious leaders do not sermonize about it.

"Think tanks and professors do not study it.
"Lawyers do not litigate it and judges do not rule on it."

But your blood and taxes pay for it.

World's Most Evil and Lawless Institution? The Executive Branch of the U.S. Government | Alternet

 

[R.C. Christian]

Did you just now figure this out?

 

[georgephillip]

You mean Henry's NOT a missionary?

"In the words of Hitchens, Kissinger deserves prosecution 'for war crimes, for crimes against humanity, and for offenses against common or customary or international law, including conspiracy to commit murder, kidnap, and torture.'[4] He further calls him 'a stupendous liar with a remarkable memory.'"

The Trial of Henry Kissinger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[R.C. Christian]

Touche LOL.

FYI, I'd stomp Kissingers guts out given the chance.

 

[Pop23]

Imagine you set out on a 27 hour drive from New York to Miami.
Imagine a row of bodies, "laid end to end, running alongside you all the way..."

"You are struck that most are middle-aged or older men and women, younger women, or children..."

"If you can imagine such a drive you can begin to get a feeling for former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara's mid-range estimate of 1.2 million civilians killed by U.S. firepower in Vietnam.

"(The U.S. Senate Refugee Committee estimated 430,000 civilian dead at the end of the war. Later estimates as more information has become available, e.g. by Nick Turse, author of Kill Anything That Moves, put the number as high as 2 million.)"

Why do most parents seldom mention this Evil to their children?
For the same reasons politicians, government officials and most public intellectuals choose to ignore it.
The same motives that many high school and college textbooks use to justify their lies of omission.

What part of per$onal respon$ibility are these "leader$" confu$ed about?

"U.S. leaders have never acknowledged their responsibility for ruining so many lives, let alone apologized or made proper amends to the survivors.

"Those responsible have not been punished, but rewarded.

"The memory of it has been erased from national consciousness, as U.S. leaders endlessly declare their nation’s, and their own, goodness.

"Millions of civilian lives swept under the rug, forgotten, as if this mass murder and maiming, the destruction of countless homes and villages, this epic violation of basic human decency—and laws protecting civilians in time of war which U.S. leaders have promised to observe—never happened."

World's Most Evil and Lawless Institution? The Executive Branch of the U.S. Government | Alternet

Thanks for not mentioning that there was another side in Vietnam that could have stopped the damn thing by simply letting South Vietnam exist.

I know it's boring, but there are normally two sides to every war, and as been stated many, many times. War is hell.

 

[healthmyths]

So you would stand by and watch your brother get murdered by a gang member, or a soldier?
You'd watch as another country invaded Canada for example and let it happen?
Or maybe you'd stand by and watch the refugees from Canada/Mexico pounding on the gates wanting to get into the USA?

Remember this picture?
Ever wonder why all those Vietnamese wanted to get on the last chopper EVEN though as you falsely claim one million were killed by Americans to keep a treaty called SEATO that like thousands of treaties the USA has signed commit our helping when member countries ask for help?

AGAIN... tell me if the Americans were THAT BAD so bad... that people stormed the chopper??



Also I guess you being a Viet Cong sympathizer you CHEERED THESE CIVILIAN DEATHS???
Fifty-four Vietnamese civilians, including four children, were killed and 18 wounded by three Viet Cong mines buried in a road in Phu Yen province
Between 1962 and mid 1965, according to figures released by the International Control Commission,
at least 54,235 civilians in the South have been killed, wounded, or kidnapped.

Two battalions of Viet Cong systematically killed 252 civilians with flame-throwers and grenades this week in a "vengeance" attack on a small hamlet
less than a mile from the capital in Phuoc Long Province.; Survivors of the December 6 attack said the VC shouted their intentions to "wipe out" the
hamlet of Dak Son as they struck from the surrounding jungle.

Forty eight (48) are killed as Terrorists Bomb Saigon Restaurant- 18 Americans Among Dead - 100 Wounded.
Terrorist bombs shattered a floating restaurant on the Saigon river here tonight and killed at least 29 persons, including eight Americans.

VC/NVA Assassinations(over 36,000 South Viet Namese teachers, district chiefs, agricultural extension advisors, civil servants were killed, often in hideously brutal fashion, by the VC. Another 60,000 or so were abducted with only several thousand returning, indicating tens of thousands others were assassinated. The 36,000 figure alone, given Viet Nam's 17 million population, represents a national mortality proportion that would equal about 420,000 Americans assassinated, exclusive of combat fatalities, of which South Viet Nam's military sustained 275,000)-NO entries

Vietnam War Atrocities' reports

I could go on but let these "heros" of Vietnam/Cambodia that YOU I'm sure cheer for and would love to live under their rule!

Deaths after U.S. withdrawal[edit]


Vietnamese "Boat People" refugees waiting for rescue in the South China Sea, taken from the USS Blue Ridge (LCC-19) in 1984.
2–3 million Vietnamese refugees fled Vietnam during the late 1970s and 1980s.[56]

Up to 155,000 refugees fleeing the final NVA Spring Offensive were killed or abducted on the road to Tuy Hoa in 1975.
[ Sources have estimated that 165,000 South Vietnamese died in the re-education camps out of 1-2.5 million sent,
while the number executed could have been as high as 200,000 (Jacqueline Desbarats estimates an absolute minimum of 100,000 executions.

Rummel estimates that slave labor in the "New Economic Zones" caused 50,000 deaths (out of a total 1 million deported).
The number of Vietnamese boat people who died is estimated between 200,000 and 400,000, out of the 2.5 million that fled.
There were also tens of thousands of suicides after the North Vietnamese take-over.[64] Including Vietnam's foreign democide,
Rummel estimates that a minimum of 400,000 and a maximum of slightly less than 2.5 million people died of political violence from 1975-87 at the hands of Hanoi.
In 1988, Vietnam suffered a famine that afflicted millions.

Under the leadership of Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge killed 1-3 million Cambodians in the killing fields, out of a population of around 8 million.
The Pathet Lao killed some 100,000 Hmong people in Laos.

Vietnam War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AGAIN I am sure YOU are VERY VERY PROUD of POL Pot and the other "heros" of Vietnam!!!

 

[georgephillip]

Imagine you set out on a 27 hour drive from New York to Miami.
Imagine a row of bodies, "laid end to end, running alongside you all the way..."

"You are struck that most are middle-aged or older men and women, younger women, or children..."

"If you can imagine such a drive you can begin to get a feeling for former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara's mid-range estimate of 1.2 million civilians killed by U.S. firepower in Vietnam.

"(The U.S. Senate Refugee Committee estimated 430,000 civilian dead at the end of the war. Later estimates as more information has become available, e.g. by Nick Turse, author of Kill Anything That Moves, put the number as high as 2 million.)"

Why do most parents seldom mention this Evil to their children?
For the same reasons politicians, government officials and most public intellectuals choose to ignore it.
The same motives that many high school and college textbooks use to justify their lies of omission.

What part of per$onal respon$ibility are these "leader$" confu$ed about?

"U.S. leaders have never acknowledged their responsibility for ruining so many lives, let alone apologized or made proper amends to the survivors.

"Those responsible have not been punished, but rewarded.

"The memory of it has been erased from national consciousness, as U.S. leaders endlessly declare their nation’s, and their own, goodness.

"Millions of civilian lives swept under the rug, forgotten, as if this mass murder and maiming, the destruction of countless homes and villages, this epic violation of basic human decency—and laws protecting civilians in time of war which U.S. leaders have promised to observe—never happened."

World's Most Evil and Lawless Institution? The Executive Branch of the U.S. Government | Alternet

Thanks for not mentioning that there was another side in Vietnam that could have stopped the damn thing by simply letting South Vietnam exist.

I know it's boring, but there are normally two sides to every war, and as been stated many, many times. War is hell.

Which ever of the following two sides you take, Vietnam posed no threat to the US mainland and the UNSC never authorized the US invasion and occupation of South Vietnam, hence both were not only illegal but also unnecessary:

"The U.S. government viewed American involvement in the war as a way to prevent a communist takeover of South Vietnam. This was part of their wider strategy of containment, which aimed to stop the spread of communism.

"The North Vietnamese government and the Viet Cong were fighting to reunify Vietnam under communist rule.

"They viewed the conflict as a colonial war, fought initially against France, then against America as France was backed by the U.S., and later against South Vietnam, which it regarded as a U.S. puppet state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

 

[georgephillip]

Touche LOL.

FYI, I'd stomp Kissingers guts out given the chance.

"Acting in the role of the prosecution, Hitchens presents evidence of Kissinger's complicity in a series of alleged war crimes in Indochina, Bangladesh, Chile, Cyprus and East Timor."

I notice Henry's careful about his global travels, although I doubt the US would allow any country to actually arrest the old war whore.

The Trial of Henry Kissinger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Pop23]

Imagine you set out on a 27 hour drive from New York to Miami.
Imagine a row of bodies, "laid end to end, running alongside you all the way..."

"You are struck that most are middle-aged or older men and women, younger women, or children..."

"If you can imagine such a drive you can begin to get a feeling for former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara's mid-range estimate of 1.2 million civilians killed by U.S. firepower in Vietnam.

"(The U.S. Senate Refugee Committee estimated 430,000 civilian dead at the end of the war. Later estimates as more information has become available, e.g. by Nick Turse, author of Kill Anything That Moves, put the number as high as 2 million.)"

Why do most parents seldom mention this Evil to their children?
For the same reasons politicians, government officials and most public intellectuals choose to ignore it.
The same motives that many high school and college textbooks use to justify their lies of omission.

What part of per$onal respon$ibility are these "leader$" confu$ed about?

"U.S. leaders have never acknowledged their responsibility for ruining so many lives, let alone apologized or made proper amends to the survivors.

"Those responsible have not been punished, but rewarded.

"The memory of it has been erased from national consciousness, as U.S. leaders endlessly declare their nation’s, and their own, goodness.

"Millions of civilian lives swept under the rug, forgotten, as if this mass murder and maiming, the destruction of countless homes and villages, this epic violation of basic human decency—and laws protecting civilians in time of war which U.S. leaders have promised to observe—never happened."

World's Most Evil and Lawless Institution? The Executive Branch of the U.S. Government | Alternet

Thanks for not mentioning that there was another side in Vietnam that could have stopped the damn thing by simply letting South Vietnam exist.

I know it's boring, but there are normally two sides to every war, and as been stated many, many times. War is hell.

Which ever of the following two sides you take, Vietnam posed no threat to the US mainland and the UNSC never authorized the US invasion and occupation of South Vietnam, hence both were not only illegal but also unnecessary:

"The U.S. government viewed American involvement in the war as a way to prevent a communist takeover of South Vietnam. This was part of their wider strategy of containment, which aimed to stop the spread of communism.

"The North Vietnamese government and the Viet Cong were fighting to reunify Vietnam under communist rule.

"They viewed the conflict as a colonial war, fought initially against France, then against America as France was backed by the U.S., and later against South Vietnam, which it regarded as a U.S. puppet state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

Thanks for the history lesson George, now explain why north Vietnam didn't do the right thing and just go home.

They could have, nobody stopped them

So, George, lets say you see a nearly helpless fella being beat mercilessly by a big tough fella. You gonna wait till the cops get their, or are you gonna pull your gun and help the little guy out?

 

[georgephillip]

Thanks for not mentioning that there was another side in Vietnam that could have stopped the damn thing by simply letting South Vietnam exist.

I know it's boring, but there are normally two sides to every war, and as been stated many, many times. War is hell.

Which ever of the following two sides you take, Vietnam posed no threat to the US mainland and the UNSC never authorized the US invasion and occupation of South Vietnam, hence both were not only illegal but also unnecessary:

"The U.S. government viewed American involvement in the war as a way to prevent a communist takeover of South Vietnam. This was part of their wider strategy of containment, which aimed to stop the spread of communism.

"The North Vietnamese government and the Viet Cong were fighting to reunify Vietnam under communist rule.

"They viewed the conflict as a colonial war, fought initially against France, then against America as France was backed by the U.S., and later against South Vietnam, which it regarded as a U.S. puppet state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

Thanks for the history lesson George, now explain why north Vietnam didn't do the right thing and just go home.

They could have, nobody stopped them

So, George, lets say you see a nearly helpless fella being beat mercilessly by a big tough fella. You gonna wait till the cops get their, or are you gonna pull your gun and help the little guy out?

Big tough fella sailed across the Pacific for this fight.
Why do you suppose Ike was afraid of reunification elections after the French left?

"In January 1950, the China and the Soviet Union, recognized the Viet Minh's Democratic Republic of Vietnam, based in Hanoi, as the government of Vietnam. The following month the United States and Great Britain recognized the French-backed State of Vietnam in Saigon, led by former Emperor Bảo Đại, as the Vietnamese government.[77][78]

"The outbreak of the Korean War in June 1950 convinced many Washington policymakers that the war in Indochina was an example of communist expansionism directed by the Kremlin."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Exit_of_the_French.2C_1950.E2.80.931954

 

[georgephillip]

So you would stand by and watch your brother get murdered by a gang member, or a soldier?
You'd watch as another country invaded Canada for example and let it happen?
Or maybe you'd stand by and watch the refugees from Canada/Mexico pounding on the gates wanting to get into the USA?

Remember this picture?
Ever wonder why all those Vietnamese wanted to get on the last chopper EVEN though as you falsely claim one million were killed by Americans to keep a treaty called SEATO that like thousands of treaties the USA has signed commit our helping when member countries ask for help?

AGAIN... tell me if the Americans were THAT BAD so bad... that people stormed the chopper??

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Also I guess you being a Viet Cong sympathizer you CHEERED THESE CIVILIAN DEATHS???
Fifty-four Vietnamese civilians, including four children, were killed and 18 wounded by three Viet Cong mines buried in a road in Phu Yen province
Between 1962 and mid 1965, according to figures released by the International Control Commission,
at least 54,235 civilians in the South have been killed, wounded, or kidnapped.

Two battalions of Viet Cong systematically killed 252 civilians with flame-throwers and grenades this week in a "vengeance" attack on a small hamlet
less than a mile from the capital in Phuoc Long Province.; Survivors of the December 6 attack said the VC shouted their intentions to "wipe out" the
hamlet of Dak Son as they struck from the surrounding jungle.

Forty eight (48) are killed as Terrorists Bomb Saigon Restaurant- 18 Americans Among Dead - 100 Wounded.
Terrorist bombs shattered a floating restaurant on the Saigon river here tonight and killed at least 29 persons, including eight Americans.

VC/NVA Assassinations(over 36,000 South Viet Namese teachers, district chiefs, agricultural extension advisors, civil servants were killed, often in hideously brutal fashion, by the VC. Another 60,000 or so were abducted with only several thousand returning, indicating tens of thousands others were assassinated. The 36,000 figure alone, given Viet Nam's 17 million population, represents a national mortality proportion that would equal about 420,000 Americans assassinated, exclusive of combat fatalities, of which South Viet Nam's military sustained 275,000)-NO entries

Vietnam War Atrocities' reports

I could go on but let these "heros" of Vietnam/Cambodia that YOU I'm sure cheer for and would love to live under their rule!

Deaths after U.S. withdrawal[edit]


Vietnamese "Boat People" refugees waiting for rescue in the South China Sea, taken from the USS Blue Ridge (LCC-19) in 1984.
2–3 million Vietnamese refugees fled Vietnam during the late 1970s and 1980s.[56]

Up to 155,000 refugees fleeing the final NVA Spring Offensive were killed or abducted on the road to Tuy Hoa in 1975.
[ Sources have estimated that 165,000 South Vietnamese died in the re-education camps out of 1-2.5 million sent,
while the number executed could have been as high as 200,000 (Jacqueline Desbarats estimates an absolute minimum of 100,000 executions.

Rummel estimates that slave labor in the "New Economic Zones" caused 50,000 deaths (out of a total 1 million deported).
The number of Vietnamese boat people who died is estimated between 200,000 and 400,000, out of the 2.5 million that fled.
There were also tens of thousands of suicides after the North Vietnamese take-over.[64] Including Vietnam's foreign democide,
Rummel estimates that a minimum of 400,000 and a maximum of slightly less than 2.5 million people died of political violence from 1975-87 at the hands of Hanoi.
In 1988, Vietnam suffered a famine that afflicted millions.

Under the leadership of Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge killed 1-3 million Cambodians in the killing fields, out of a population of around 8 million.
The Pathet Lao killed some 100,000 Hmong people in Laos.

Vietnam War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AGAIN I am sure YOU are VERY VERY PROUD of POL Pot and the other "heros" of Vietnam!!!

Are you proud of Operation Menu?
Because if you are, you are more responsible for Pol Pot than I am.

"Operation Menu was the codename of a covert United States Strategic Air Command (SAC) bombing campaign conducted in eastern Cambodia and Laos from 18 March 1969 until 26 May 1970, during the Vietnam War.

"The targets of these attacks were sanctuaries and Base Areas of the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) and forces of the Viet Cong, which utilized them for resupply, training, and resting between campaigns across the border in the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam). The effects of the bombing campaign are disputed by historians."

All the refugees you shed crocodile tears over would never have needed to storm a single chopper if the US hadn't denied the Vietnamese their right to self-determination when their French colonial masters decided their Republic was more important than their Empire.