Working class favor GOP by 58%

[Dr. Handsome]

If history teaches us anything, it's that the working class is stupid. That's why they are working class in the first place, and why they fall for things like communism etc - it's never the successful, never the Natural Aristocracy, that pushes for communism. Likewise, it's the working class who push for the Big Government authoritarianism of the GOP.

No surprise there.

 

[JakeStarkey]

GTF, where do you come up with these inanities. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

 

[MaggieMae]

We don't have a 'working', 'middle' or any other 'class'. We were founded as a free people where anyone can succeed. There should be no 'class' divides.... these are labels, created by politicians, to keep people focused on each other rather than on the politicians.

I don't think that a sense of 'classness' is just a political division. My parents income was about 5 times the national average for the first 15 years, then jumped to about 8 times until they retired. However, they had bought their first home from my dad's older brother for about 1/2 it's worth in 1952. So, we lived in a very exclusive Chicago suburb, while definitely still middle class.

Oh, actually felt 'poor' at times, we didn't do vacations, my parents had bought a summer home and that was it. My mom was extremely frugal, if she was going to spend money on 'fun,' why not have it in property? During the 1960's those with a college degree in my suburb was at 85%. Even post-grad was over 25%. Why? Many professors at both the suburban university and from Loyola Medical Center doctors lived there. There was also a hospital in the suburb, the doctors from there too live in town.

My parents were both raised on Chicago's West Side, though my dad's family moved to the suburb while he was in high school. This would have been in the 30's. Seems he'd get out of school, walk to the train, head back to the city to be with his friends. No one thought that weird.

So, one can have more than necessary, live in an area known for affluence, yet still feel very different and like you don't belong. I was lucky though, had very good friends and my parents were sticklers for manners. I realized by my college years, that I did fit in, probably always did.

I know there are many more sociological studies on poor kids, that have more than their surrounding peers. It may be both parents or a parent that emphasizes studies and individuality. These are the kids that somehow succeed beyond the expectations and can break out as adults.

That's a nice story. Where did you go wrong? (Just kidding!!)

 

[Revere]

Corporations use outsourcing to destroy the American middle class, transferring its wealth to the shareholders.

Who just happen to be average American's...good one there, what next? Condemn corporations for existing at all, while your Obama sucks corporate cash up his ass during his election campaign.

The stockholders are not just "average Americans". You have not contested the point, hipeter924, so you concede that corporations are destroying the middle class and appropriating its wealth.

Stockholders are average Americans...401Ks, pensioners, etc.

You're really running out of people to hate now.

 

[Full-Auto]

Who just happen to be average American's...good one there, what next? Condemn corporations for existing at all, while your Obama sucks corporate cash up his ass during his election campaign.

The stockholders are not just "average Americans". You have not contested the point, hipeter924, so you concede that corporations are destroying the middle class and appropriating its wealth.

Stockholders are average Americans...401Ks, pensioners, etc.

You're really running out of people to hate now.

Mind boggling

 

[MaggieMae]

Which statement? That the EPA continues to make it prohibitve for America to reinvigorate its manufacturing base, or that Democrats want to give the EPA unlimited power?

Where are hybrid batteries made? Solar panels?

Just the word "Most" replaced with "Some" would make it technically true. But it's so far from the root of our problem, that you can't even see the real problem when you're standing at the EPA issue.

But the criticism stems from a belief that the EPA does not have a legitimate cause. If you don't believe there's any concern for conservation or pollution control, then you'd be right to criticize the EPA. I feel the potential consequence of ignoring these problems warrants such an agency, along with the (IMO, the slight) economic discomfort that comes with it.

Whatever its orginal intent, the effect of the current EPA is to crush the American industrial base and drive the cost of energy up to impose poverty.

That's not slight discomfort.

Oh gawd...another one who reads some dark and evil agenda into everything. Has the EPA become a nightmare bureacracy? Yup, just like most agencies of government. But their purpose is undeniable. Man has no right to use and abuse every resource on earth for its own purpose. The survival of species merely INCLUDES man.

 

[hipeter924]

Who just happen to be average American's...good one there, what next? Condemn corporations for existing at all, while your Obama sucks corporate cash up his ass during his election campaign.

The stockholders are not just "average Americans". You have not contested the point, hipeter924, so you concede that corporations are destroying the middle class and appropriating its wealth.

Stockholders are average Americans...401Ks, pensioners, etc.

You're really running out of people to hate now.

Yep, he is, he generally just finds new ones (tea party,etc), he will never stop hating the average American.

PS: He still can't explain how his messiah is in power due to corporate money, it's sad he drinks the same political shit day after day.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Who just happen to be average American's...good one there, what next? Condemn corporations for existing at all, while your Obama sucks corporate cash up his ass during his election campaign.

The stockholders are not just "average Americans". You have not contested the point, hipeter924, so you concede that corporations are destroying the middle class and appropriating its wealth.

Stockholders are average Americans...401Ks, pensioners, etc.

You're really running out of people to hate now.

You will have to show the numbers and the relationships. Right now you are shilling for the corporations and the Big Dogs. You have nothing, son.

 

[Revere]

The stockholders are not just "average Americans". You have not contested the point, hipeter924, so you concede that corporations are destroying the middle class and appropriating its wealth.

Stockholders are average Americans...401Ks, pensioners, etc.

You're really running out of people to hate now.

Yep, he is, he generally just finds new ones (tea party,etc), he will never stop hating people.

The US Chamber of Commerce, Koch Industries...

These are third world marxists here.

 

[MaggieMae]

Yes, the US is a nation of classes. Anybody is entitled to their own unreality like CaliGirl, but no one has to accept her delusions. Go ask Washington if Peter his man servant was his equal, was in the same class. Sheesh.

A real class system has barriers to moving up or down. Until Barack Obama came along, that was not the case in the US.

You've either just awoken from a coma or you live on another planet. Possibly Uranus.

 

[Revere]

The stockholders are not just "average Americans". You have not contested the point, hipeter924, so you concede that corporations are destroying the middle class and appropriating its wealth.

Stockholders are average Americans...401Ks, pensioners, etc.

You're really running out of people to hate now.

You will have to show the numbers and the relationships. Right now you are shilling for the corporations and the Big Dogs. You have nothing, son.

Only third world marxists whip up war between imagined classes for their own self-aggrandisement.

Anyone who is anti-business is anti-American.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Stockholders are average Americans...401Ks, pensioners, etc.

You're really running out of people to hate now.

You will have to show the numbers and the relationships. Right now you are shilling for the corporations and the Big Dogs. You have nothing, son.

Only third world marxists whip up war between imagined classes for their own self-aggrandisement.

Anyone who is anti-business is anti-American.

America is a country of classes. America is a country of capitalism. America is a country of compromise between business and worker. Anyone who denies that is a totalitarian unAmerican.

 

[Revere]

Public employees unions have as much money, and spend as much money on lobbying and political activity, as corporations.

Yet, they are not on the President's enemies list.

That's how a third world marxists operates.

 

[hipeter924]

Stockholders are average Americans...401Ks, pensioners, etc.

You're really running out of people to hate now.

You will have to show the numbers and the relationships. Right now you are shilling for the corporations and the Big Dogs. You have nothing, son.

Only third world marxists whip up war between imagined classes for their own self-aggrandisement.

Anyone who is anti-business is anti-American.

Truth is that socialists are nothing more than frauds cock sucking the establishment, they want a dictator* to rule over and control them.

PS: National Socialism = Socialism + Nationalism. So they are not that far away from Hitler* as they claim to be.

 

[Revere]

There are no "workers" in the US. That's a Stalinist concept. Obama wants everyone to enroll in community colleges and get associate degrees so they can be "workers" as he says.

What a piece of shit.

 

[MaggieMae]

The permanent dependency caste? Yes, poverty is rising from failed so-called conservative policies to unregulate governance of Big Business. That coupled with American greed has led to a most unfortunate system. Blame Obama all you want, but what the GOP offers is more of the ol same. Get a quick a taste of that and the GOP will be out of office again.

The only salvation will be economic recovery, and that is going to take time because the failed policies of the government and the American peoples' greed. Nothing comes for free.

Self interest, not government, best serves a free society. It made the best soceity on earth for at least its first 200 years.

Is demanding banks make loans to uncreditworthy customers and then securitizing them because government guarantees them "unreguated governance?'

Would you make or buy a crap mortgage unless government guaranteed it?

I guess that last question is one for, say, Lehman Brothers.

And who "demanded" that banks make loans to uncreditworthy customers? Please don't refer to the old CRA, which demanded no such thing: It demanded that banks stop NOT lending based purely on a potential mortgagee's geographic residence address at the time. By the time mortgage securites were being packaged, the majority of them were not being done by "banks" at all (including Fannie & Freddie), but by fly-by-night "mortgage companies" who lured unsuspecting clients in with promises of lower payments just as soon as they could refinance.

 

[Urkie]

Only third world marxists whip up war between imagined classes for their own self-aggrandisement.

Anyone who is anti-business is anti-American.

Jake is mad but he's mad at the wrong people. The people to get mad at is the government. They're the ones allowing this country to turn into a corporatist nation and that's the real reason the middle class is shrinking.

 

[Revere]

The permanent dependency caste? Yes, poverty is rising from failed so-called conservative policies to unregulate governance of Big Business. That coupled with American greed has led to a most unfortunate system. Blame Obama all you want, but what the GOP offers is more of the ol same. Get a quick a taste of that and the GOP will be out of office again.

The only salvation will be economic recovery, and that is going to take time because the failed policies of the government and the American peoples' greed. Nothing comes for free.

Self interest, not government, best serves a free society. It made the best soceity on earth for at least its first 200 years.

Is demanding banks make loans to uncreditworthy customers and then securitizing them because government guarantees them "unreguated governance?'

Would you make or buy a crap mortgage unless government guaranteed it?

I guess that last question is one for, say, Lehman Brothers.

And who "demanded" that banks make loans to uncreditworthy customers? Please don't refer to the old CRA, which demanded no such thing: It demanded that banks stop NOT lending based purely on a potential mortgagee's geographic residence address at the time. By the time mortgage securites were being packaged, the majority of them were not being done by "banks" at all (including Fannie & Freddie), but by fly-by-night "mortgage companies" who lured unsuspecting clients in with promises of lower payments just as soon as they could refinance.

Wrongheaded government policies to encourage homewnership.

Banks were threatened with fines and more if they did not set aside traditional underwriting requirements such as source of income, source of downpayment, and credit history.

 

[MaggieMae]

The permanent dependency caste? Yes, poverty is rising from failed so-called conservative policies to unregulate governance of Big Business. That coupled with American greed has led to a most unfortunate system. Blame Obama all you want, but what the GOP offers is more of the ol same. Get a quick a taste of that and the GOP will be out of office again.

The only salvation will be economic recovery, and that is going to take time because the failed policies of the government and the American peoples' greed. Nothing comes for free.

Self interest, not government, best serves a free society. It made the best soceity on earth for at least its first 200 years.

Is demanding banks make loans to uncreditworthy customers and then securitizing them because government guarantees them "unreguated governance?'

Would you make or buy a crap mortgage unless government guaranteed it?

We're still recovering from the financial meltdown caused by the subprime mortgage mess, and now the government is pushing loans to uncreditworthy small businesses.

Get ready for Subprime Part Deux.

And who will be at fault?

Banks happy to hand credit cards but not loans to small biz - Jul. 14, 2010

 

[Revere]

Self interest, not government, best serves a free society. It made the best soceity on earth for at least its first 200 years.

Is demanding banks make loans to uncreditworthy customers and then securitizing them because government guarantees them "unreguated governance?'

Would you make or buy a crap mortgage unless government guaranteed it?

We're still recovering from the financial meltdown caused by the subprime mortgage mess, and now the government is pushing loans to uncreditworthy small businesses.

Get ready for Subprime Part Deux.

And who will be at fault?

Banks happy to hand credit cards but not loans to small biz - Jul. 14, 2010

Government regulations steering their lending policies will, again, be at fault.