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Some Good Stuff to pick and choose from.

If there is no link, go to the last link and find the PDF or Audio for what you are looking for.


January 20, 2001
George W. Bush is inaugurated as the 43rd President of the United States.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/inaugural-address.html

September 11, 2001
Al Qaeda attacks the United States, causing the deaths of almost 3000 people. Within hours after the attacks, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld puts Saddam Hussein on target list.

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default_archive.asp?page=1#AL_BN

September 14, 2001
President Bush speaks at Ground Zero, "And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010914-9.html

September 17, 2001
Dan Rather on David Letterman, "George Bush is the President, he makes the decisions and you know, as just one American wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where." In the months after 9/11 many networks note increasing public pressure over coverage.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A14435-2001Oct30

September 22, 2001
Knight Ridder reporter Warren Strobel publishes a story with the lede: "While President Bush's top advisers debate whether to target Iraq for devastating bombardment as part of the U.S.-led war on terrorism, U.S. officials and terrorism experts say there is little evidence Saddam Hussein's regime played a role in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon."

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/iraq/intelligence/11829384.htm

October 2001
Pentagon dispatches former CIA director, James Woolsey, to Europe to search for connection between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks.


November 2001
As US strikes in Afghanistan are underway, pundits begin citing Saddam Hussein's removal as the next mission in the war on terror. Bill Kristol, editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD on Fox News: "...it's no longer a question of if, it's a question of how we go after Saddam Hussein." THE NEW YORK TIMES publishes an article citing intelligence from Iraqi defectors.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/384thhhq.asp

November 12, 2001
William Safire of THE NEW YORK TIMES calls meeting between 9/11 Hijacker Mohammed Atta with an Iraqi diplomat an "undisputed fact."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/539dozfr.asp

December 2001
FRONTLINE, in collaboration with THE NEW YORK TIMES, produces "Gunning for Saddam," detailing the strong evidence provided by defectors that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction.

December 20, 2001
Judith Miller publishes the first of six stories for the NEW YORK TIMES based on Iraqi defectors' testimony. One major source for such defector information was the former head of the Iraqi National Congress, Ahmed Chalabi.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/international/middleeast/20040526CRITIQUE.html

January 29, 2002
In his first State of the Union address since September 11, George W. Bush declares Iraq part of an 'axis of evil'

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020129-11.html

February and May 2002
VANITY FAIR writer David Rose publishes a number of stories relying on the information provided by Iraqi defectors. He follows the series with January 2003's "Baghdad's Cruel Princes." While most of the stories are not online, Rose's January 2007 article on prominent Neoconservatives look back at the Iraq war - "Neo Culpa" is available.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/01/neocons200701

August 2002
Vice-President Dick Cheney: "Many of us are convinced that Saddam Hussein will acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020826.html

September 8, 2002
Vice-President Cheney cites NEW YORK TIMES story about aluminum tubes on NBC's MEET THE PRESS.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A54988-2002Sep8?language=printer

September 19, 2002
Joby Warrick reports in THE WASHINGTON POST "A key piece of evidence in the Bush administration's case against Iraq is being challenged in a report by independent experts who question whether thousands of high-strength aluminum tubes recently sought by Iraq were intended for a secret nuclear weapons program."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36348-2002Sep18?language=printer

October 2002
Administration releases unclassified version of The National Intelligence Estimate detailing Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs.


October 7, 2002
President Bush: "We cannot wait for the final proof - the smoking gun- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

October 10, 2002
Congress passes Joint Resolution to authorize the use of United States Military force in Iraq.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

October 26, 2002
In largest public anti-war protest since 1960's, 100,000 march in Washington to protest military strike against Iraq. WASHINGTON POST Ombudsman later criticizes the paper for not giving this event wider coverage.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1027-06.htm
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/iraq/intelligence/13730838.htm

November 2002
James Fallows piece "The Fifty-first State?" is published in THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY in which he queried "Going to war with Iraq would mean shouldering all the responsibilities of an occupying power the moment victory was achieved. These would include running the economy, keeping domestic peace, and protecting Iraq's borders-and doing it all for years, or perhaps decades. Are we ready for this long-term relationship?"

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200211/fallows

November 8, 2002
UN Security Council adopts Resolution 1441, which dictates "Iraq will face serious consequences if it does not comply with inspections."

November 27, 2002
UN weapons inspectors arrive in Baghdad for the first time since December 1998 in order to search for weapons of mass destruction.

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/EPI/bioter/yellowcakeotherquarries.html

December 7, 2002
Iraqi officials in Baghdad present 12,000 page weapons report to United Nations, as instructed by UN resolution 1441. Iraqi General Hasam Amin says report proves "that Iraq is empty of weapons of mass destruction."

http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Statements/2002/ebsp2002n010.shtml

December 19, 2002
Hans Blix, UN Chief Weapons Inspector, states that the Iraqi weapons report does not contain substantial new information about its capability to produce weapons of mass destruction. The United States thus declares that Iraq is in "material breach" of UN Resolution 1441.

http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Focus/IaeaIraq/

January 13, 2003
Tony Blair says that Britain and the US could act against Iraq without a second UN resolution.
International Atomic Energy Agency Chief, Mohammed ElBaradei, says that weapons inspectors need "a few months" to finish their search in Iraq.

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page3005.asp

January 16, 2003
Weapons inspectors find 12 empty chemical warheads, not accounted for in Iraq's 12,000 page weapons report.

http://www.aijac.org.au/updates/Jan-03/310103.html#Article%203

January 28, 2003
In his State of the Union address, President Bush alleges "the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

February 5, 2003
Colin Powell addresses the United Nations, making the United States case for war against Iraq. He draws attention to a British Intelligence Report, which, it was quickly proven, had been downloaded off the Internet. The U.S. press focuses its criticism of the mistake on U.K. intelligence

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030205-1.html

February 12, 2003
UN weapons inspectors report that Iraq possesses illegal missiles: two Samoud rockets that exceed the maximum range of 150km set down in the 1991 Gulf war ceasefire agreement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/transcripts/blixtranscript_021403.html

February 14, 2003
Chief UN Nuclear Weapons Inspector, Mohamed Elbaradei, reports to the UN: "We have to date found no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear related activities in Iraq."

Vice-President Cheney on MEET THE PRESS on March 16, 2003 responds to IAEA reports: "I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq's concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing."

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/cheneymeetthepress.htm

February 28, 2003
Hans Blix releases interim report, which gives a mixed assessment of Iraqi cooperation with weapons inspectors, but particularly commends Hussein's pledge to destroy the two illegal Samoud missiles.

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/timeline.htm

March 6, 2003
President Bush gives press conference in which he indicates that war is very close

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030306-8.html

March 7, 2003
Hans Blix before UN Security Council states that searches have "found no evidence of mobile biological production facilities in Iraq," and that "after three months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq." He also says that Niger uranium documents are "not authentic."

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/SC7asdelivered.htm

March 16, 2003
At a summit in the Azores, President Bush and Prime Minister Blair issue an ultimatum to the United Nations that if it does not enforce its own demands for Iraqi disarmament, the United States and Britain will lead a coalition to war within days.
Vice President Cheney on MEET THE PRESS: "My belief is that we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030316-3.html

March 17, 2003
In a televised address to the nation, Bush gives Saddam Hussein 48 hours to leave Iraq or face invasion.


March 20, 2003
War begins.

http://www.cissm.umd.edu/papers/display.php?id=32

US planes bombard military targets in Baghdad. British marines invade the Faw peninsula in the south of the country.


April 9, 2003
With the help of a US Marine tank, an Iraqi crowd topples a giant statue of Saddam Hussein in central Baghdad. Widespread looting breaks out in Baghdad.

April 22, 2003
The UN chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix, condemns British and American handling of the hunt for any possible weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/pages/security_council_briefings.asp#9

May 1, 2003
President Bush lands on the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln wearing a flight suit and in front of a giant "Mission Accomplished" banner states, "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml


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http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/timeline.html
 

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great piece...

my guess is either the right will ignore it or they will attack your sources and your credibility and your patriotism

let's watch what happens next!
 

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great piece...

my guess is either the right will ignore it or they will attack your sources and your credibility and your patriotism

let's watch what happens next!
You guys are too funny...I hope RSR posts a bunch of links....:razz:
 

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Some Good Stuff to pick and choose from.
Some response, will have to be piecemeal in order to respond.
If there is no link, go to the last link and find the PDF or Audio for what you are looking for.


January 20, 2001
George W. Bush is inaugurated as the 43rd President of the United States.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/inaugural-address.html

September 11, 2001
Al Qaeda attacks the United States, causing the deaths of almost 3000 people. Within hours after the attacks, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld puts Saddam Hussein on target list.
Doesn't really matter what Rumsfeld said or didn't say hours after 9/11. Bottom line, Afghanistan was hit and Iraq not for 2 years. The following timeline has been edited by me, regarding things going on in Israel/Palestinians, (note very active, but not germaine to this thread:
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default_archive.asp?page=1#AL_BN

September 14, 2001
President Bush speaks at Ground Zero, "And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."
Well before this, some in Afghanistan and the world at large recognized what was going to happen:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,555865,00.html

9/12 · Aid workers rush to leave Afghanistan, as speculation mounts about a US-led invasion.

Friday September 14

· The Taliban rulers of Afghanistan warn they will retaliate if the country is attacked.

· During an emergency debate in the House of Commons, Labour MP George Galloway issues an impassioned warning against an all-out assault on Afghanistan, warning that such action could create "10,000 Osama bin Ladens".

· Tony Blair talks of Britain's obligation to help bring those responsible for the US outrages to account.

· In America, the FBI names 19 suspects, and for the first time intelligence sources make a direct link between them and Osama bin Laden.

· President Bush establishes a war cabinet of senior administration officials.

· The first cracks appear in the nascent international coalition against terrorism.

Saturday September 15

President Bush names Osama bin Laden as the prime suspect for the September 11 atrocities. He tells Americans to get ready for war.

· Tens of thousands of Afghans are fleeing the country, fearing a western invasion.

Sunday September 16

Tony Blair echoes President Bush in saying "we are at war" with terrorism.

· Pakistan abandons its support for the Taliban and sides with Washington, reportedly demanding huge economic aid in exchange for its cooperation.

Monday September 17

· A high level Pakistani delegation to Taliban leaders in Kandahar demands that Osama bin Laden be handed over, but is rebuffed. Afghanistan's ruling clique of clerics was reported to be preparing to declare a holy war against the US.

Tuesday September 18

· The Bank of England cuts interest rates by 0.25%, but stock markets continue to slide.

· Amid conflicting reports, Taliban leaders are reported to deny that they have declared a jihad, or holy war, against America - but warn they will do so if Afghanistan is invaded.

Wednesday September 19

· The government announces stern new measures to curb money laundering to cut off terrorist funds. Tony Blair distances himself from President Bush's bombastic declaration that he wants Osama bin Laden "dead or alive".

· Reports from Pakistan say that Osama bin Laden has bade farewell to his followers in Kabul, and ridden off on horseback to a hideaway in the mountains.

Thursday September 20

· Confused and contradictory reports from Kabul suggest that the shura, the council of Islamic clerics, have asked Osama bin Laden to leave Afghanistan voluntarily.

Friday September 21

· Afghanistan's Taliban rulers continue to voice defiance in the face of a grim warning from the US president, George Bush, that the "hour is coming" for America to strike.

· The US agrees to lift sanctions imposed on Pakistan and India and to reschedule $600m (£410m) in bilateral debt with Islamabad.

· Tony Blair arrives in Brussels for an emergency EU summit on the final leg of a 9,000-mile marathon diplomatic mission that has taken him to four countries in less than 48 hours.

· It is announced that Jack Straw is to make the first visit to Iran by a British foreign secretary since the 1979 Islamic revolution in an attempt to build support for a US-led coalition against terrorism

· The Guardian reveals that the US government is pressing its European allies to agree to a military campaign to topple the Taliban regime in Afghanistan and replace it with an interim administration under United Nations auspices.

Sunday September 23

· In what may prove to be the first shot of the new war in Afghanistan, the country's ruling Taliban militia claims to have downed an unmanned spy plane, and the Pentagon admits that one of its drones is missing.

Monday September 24

· Pakistan pulls out all of its diplomatic staff from the Afghan capital of Kabul, in view of the "abnormal situation".

· Mullah Mohammed Omar, the leader of Afghanistan's hardline rulers, says that the United States must withdraw its forces from the Gulf and support the Palestinians in their conflict with Israel if it wants to remove the threat of terrorism.

· World stock markets soar as investors seek bargains after last week's heavy selloff.

· Prime minister Tony Blair calls senior politicians from all parties to Downing Street to brief them ahead of the oncoming "war against terrorism".

Tuesday September 25

· The Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, agrees to meet the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, following a 15-minute phone call between Mr Sharon and the prime minister, Tony Blair.

· Saudi Arabia cuts all ties with Afghanistan's Taliban government, saying Afghan leaders were defaming Islam by harbouring and supporting terrorists. A fax from Osama bin Laden to Muslims in Pakistan calls on them to resist the "new Jewish and Christian crusader campaign that is led by the Chief Crusader Bush under the banner of the cross".

· The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, meets German leaders who seek to solidify Russian support for an international coalition.

· In Britain, the Liberal Democrats continue their truncated and muted annual conference. The Labour and Conservative party conferences are to be cut short as a result of the increasing international crisis.

· Growing fear that the terrorist attacks on the US have pushed the global economy to the brink of recession sends oil prices plunging as traders anticipate sharply reduced demand for energy in the coming months.

· The World Health Organisation urges the UK and other western governments to ensure they are ready to deal with a terrorist attack using biological weapons, such as anthrax, botulin or the smallpox virus.

· The UN world food programme resumes aid shipments into Afghanistan for the first time since the World Trade Centre bombings.

Wednesday September 26

· Nato defence ministers gather in Brussels to discuss the alliance's role in the US-led campaign against terrorism.

· British and American defence ministers attempt to play down speculation on the nature of strikes against Afghanistan, saying any military action against terrorism would not begin with a 'D-day landing'.

· Prime minister Tony Blair calls an emergency cabinet meeting for tomorrow night, and Downing Street says that no special significance should be read into the timing.

· Israeli and Palestinian negotiators, under heavy pressure from Washington agree a series of confidence-building measures aimed at ending a year of fighting.

· In Kabul, thousands of protesters attack the long-abandoned American embassy compound, setting vehicles ablaze and ripping down the US seal above the entrance.

· The International Monetary Fund warns that the global economy stands on the brink of its first recession in almost 10 years. A collapse in profits at Goldman Sachs, together with bad news from other Wall Street banks, triggers fears of a fresh round of job cuts in the City.

· More than half of British consumers now believe the domestic economy will deteriorate over the next year.

Thursday September 27

· Over 1,000 US airborne troops are reported to be deployed to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan in preparation for a ground operation against Osama bin Laden's bases and Taliban forces in neighbouring Afghanistan.

· In Kabul the leader of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia warns Afghans not to look to America for help in challenging his hardline rule.

Friday September 28

· A delegation of high-ranking Pakistani religious leaders and government officials arrives in Afghanistan for talks with the ruling Taliban militia on the fate of Osama bin Laden.

Sunday September 30

· Osama bin Laden is being hidden at a secret location inside Afghanistan "for his safety and security", the Taliban admits in a provocative statement.

· It emerges that the CIA offered Afghanistan's anti-Taliban opposition leader a substantial bounty three years ago for the capture of Osama bin Laden, dead or alive.

· Tony Blair serves notice, at the start of the Labour conference, that his government will take whatever steps it deems necessary to combat the global perils of terrorism and recession.

· Security chiefs across the world make more arrests and continued to question suspects. The latest arrests came in Britain, Germany and the west African state of Mauritania.

Monday October 1

· Air force general Richard Myers today takes on the role of chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the president's main military adviser and the post held by Colin Powell during the Gulf war, at the most critical military period for the country since the Vietnam war.

· Jordan's King Abdullah said President George Bush had promised not to launch military strikes on Iraq as part of the retaliation for the terrorist attacks, according to reports from Amman.

· The government has frozen £60m held in over a dozen British bank accounts and believed to belong to the Taliban.

· Iran's defence minister warns the US that it would confront any of its planes that penetrated Iranian airspace during possible strikes on Afghanistan.

uesday October 2

· Tony Blair promises the Labour conference that Osama bin Laden and the Taliban will be brought to account.

· Nato secretary general Lord Robertson says the alliance is satisfied that the United States has provided "clear and compelling" evidence that points "conclusively" to the involvement of Osama bin Laden and his Al-Qaida network in last month's attacks in New York and Washington.

· The SAS may be expanded as a result of a review of the structure, equipment, and strategy of Britain's armed forces in response to the global terrorist threat. The review is announced by the defence secretary, Geoff Hoon.

· Foreign secretary Jack Straw promises that the government will use every weapon - military, diplomatic, economic and political - to defeat terrorism.

Wednesday October 3
· Lady Thatcher makes her first contribution to the debate on terrorism, criticising Muslim leaders for failing to speak out against the September 11 atrocities. Her comments immediately spark outrage.

· US war planners make their first formal approach to Nato requesting the alliance to make specific operational contributions to help in the fight against global terrorism.

The request is promptly granted.

· City watchdogs, senior police and some 75 bankers, brokers and senior financial executives hold an unprecedented meeting to discuss their roles in fighting terrorism and in preventing terrorists from cashing in on the aftermath of their atrocities.

Thursday October 4
· The humanitarian coalition is as vital as military action, Tony Blair tells MPs at the start of nearly 10 hours of mainly supportive Westminster debate.

It focuses on the impact of a strike against Osama bin Laden on the people of Afghanistan, and fears about tougher anti-terrorist legislation.

· New Tory leader, Iain Duncan Smith, says he is convinced of The case against bin Laden.

· A Russian airliner explodes in mid-air over the Black Sea, killing all 78 passengers and crew. It may have been brought down accidentally by Ukrainian ground-to-air missiles fired during military exercises, American defence officials suggest, but Ukrainian officials deny responsibility.

Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, says it is possible that the plane had been targeted by terrorists.

· Three Israelis are killed and eight others wounded when a Palestinian disguised as an Israeli soldier goes on a shooting rampage at a bus station in northern Israel.

· Pakistan says it now believes there is conclusive evidence linking Osama bin Laden to last month's attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

· The Taliban authorities in Kabul confirm that the British journalist Yvonne Ridley, who was arrested last Friday after illegally entering Afghanistan, is to face trial on suspicion of spying.

Friday October 5
· Tony Blair arrives in Pakistan this afternoon at the start of a lightning " working visit" designed to shore up the single most important component of the military coalition now massing against Afghanistan.

· Afghanistan's ruling Taliban say they are prepared to put Osama bin Laden on trial in an Afghan court, but only if the US provides hard evidence against him.

· Intelligence officials tell the US Congress that they believe a second major terrorist attack on the United States is highly likely in the near future, and that once the anticipated assault on Afghanistan begins, retaliation is "100%" certain. second major terrorist attack.

Saturday October 6
· President George Bush and Tony Blair warn the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in the starkest terms that preparations for the war against them are complete and attacks could be launched at any time.

Sunday October 7
· The first airstrikes are launched against Taliban targets in Afghanistan. Events move swiftly.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010914-9.html

September 17, 2001
Dan Rather on David Letterman, "George Bush is the President, he makes the decisions and you know, as just one American wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where." In the months after 9/11 many networks note increasing public pressure over coverage.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A14435-2001Oct30

September 22, 2001
Knight Ridder reporter Warren Strobel publishes a story with the lede: "While President Bush's top advisers debate whether to target Iraq for devastating bombardment as part of the U.S.-led war on terrorism, U.S. officials and terrorism experts say there is little evidence Saddam Hussein's regime played a role in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon."

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/iraq/intelligence/11829384.htm

October 2001
Pentagon dispatches former CIA director, James Woolsey, to Europe to search for connection between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks.


November 2001
As US strikes in Afghanistan are underway, pundits begin citing Saddam Hussein's removal as the next mission in the war on terror. Bill Kristol, editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD on Fox News: "...it's no longer a question of if, it's a question of how we go after Saddam Hussein." THE NEW YORK TIMES publishes an article citing intelligence from Iraqi defectors.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/384thhhq.asp

November 12, 2001
William Safire of THE NEW YORK TIMES calls meeting between 9/11 Hijacker Mohammed Atta with an Iraqi diplomat an "undisputed fact."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/539dozfr.asp

December 2001
FRONTLINE, in collaboration with THE NEW YORK TIMES, produces "Gunning for Saddam," detailing the strong evidence provided by defectors that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction.

December 20, 2001
Judith Miller publishes the first of six stories for the NEW YORK TIMES based on Iraqi defectors' testimony. One major source for such defector information was the former head of the Iraqi National Congress, Ahmed Chalabi.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/international/middleeast/20040526CRITIQUE.html

January 29, 2002
In his first State of the Union address since September 11, George W. Bush declares Iraq part of an 'axis of evil'

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020129-11.html

February and May 2002
VANITY FAIR writer David Rose publishes a number of stories relying on the information provided by Iraqi defectors. He follows the series with January 2003's "Baghdad's Cruel Princes." While most of the stories are not online, Rose's January 2007 article on prominent Neoconservatives look back at the Iraq war - "Neo Culpa" is available.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/01/neocons200701

August 2002
Vice-President Dick Cheney: "Many of us are convinced that Saddam Hussein will acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020826.html

September 8, 2002
Vice-President Cheney cites NEW YORK TIMES story about aluminum tubes on NBC's MEET THE PRESS.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A54988-2002Sep8?language=printer

September 19, 2002
Joby Warrick reports in THE WASHINGTON POST "A key piece of evidence in the Bush administration's case against Iraq is being challenged in a report by independent experts who question whether thousands of high-strength aluminum tubes recently sought by Iraq were intended for a secret nuclear weapons program."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36348-2002Sep18?language=printer

October 2002
Administration releases unclassified version of The National Intelligence Estimate detailing Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs.


October 7, 2002
President Bush: "We cannot wait for the final proof - the smoking gun- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

October 10, 2002
Congress passes Joint Resolution to authorize the use of United States Military force in Iraq.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

October 26, 2002
In largest public anti-war protest since 1960's, 100,000 march in Washington to protest military strike against Iraq. WASHINGTON POST Ombudsman later criticizes the paper for not giving this event wider coverage.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1027-06.htm
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/iraq/intelligence/13730838.htm

November 2002
James Fallows piece "The Fifty-first State?" is published in THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY in which he queried "Going to war with Iraq would mean shouldering all the responsibilities of an occupying power the moment victory was achieved. These would include running the economy, keeping domestic peace, and protecting Iraq's borders-and doing it all for years, or perhaps decades. Are we ready for this long-term relationship?"

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200211/fallows

November 8, 2002
UN Security Council adopts Resolution 1441, which dictates "Iraq will face serious consequences if it does not comply with inspections."

November 27, 2002
UN weapons inspectors arrive in Baghdad for the first time since December 1998 in order to search for weapons of mass destruction.

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/EPI/bioter/yellowcakeotherquarries.html

December 7, 2002
Iraqi officials in Baghdad present 12,000 page weapons report to United Nations, as instructed by UN resolution 1441. Iraqi General Hasam Amin says report proves "that Iraq is empty of weapons of mass destruction."

http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Statements/2002/ebsp2002n010.shtml

December 19, 2002
Hans Blix, UN Chief Weapons Inspector, states that the Iraqi weapons report does not contain substantial new information about its capability to produce weapons of mass destruction. The United States thus declares that Iraq is in "material breach" of UN Resolution 1441.

http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Focus/IaeaIraq/

January 13, 2003
Tony Blair says that Britain and the US could act against Iraq without a second UN resolution.
International Atomic Energy Agency Chief, Mohammed ElBaradei, says that weapons inspectors need "a few months" to finish their search in Iraq.

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page3005.asp

January 16, 2003
Weapons inspectors find 12 empty chemical warheads, not accounted for in Iraq's 12,000 page weapons report.

http://www.aijac.org.au/updates/Jan-03/310103.html#Article 3

January 28, 2003
In his State of the Union address, President Bush alleges "the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

February 5, 2003
Colin Powell addresses the United Nations, making the United States case for war against Iraq. He draws attention to a British Intelligence Report, which, it was quickly proven, had been downloaded off the Internet. The U.S. press focuses its criticism of the mistake on U.K. intelligence

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030205-1.html

February 12, 2003
UN weapons inspectors report that Iraq possesses illegal missiles: two Samoud rockets that exceed the maximum range of 150km set down in the 1991 Gulf war ceasefire agreement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/transcripts/blixtranscript_021403.html

February 14, 2003
Chief UN Nuclear Weapons Inspector, Mohamed Elbaradei, reports to the UN: "We have to date found no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear related activities in Iraq."

Vice-President Cheney on MEET THE PRESS on March 16, 2003 responds to IAEA reports: "I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq's concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing."

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/cheneymeetthepress.htm

February 28, 2003
Hans Blix releases interim report, which gives a mixed assessment of Iraqi cooperation with weapons inspectors, but particularly commends Hussein's pledge to destroy the two illegal Samoud missiles.

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/timeline.htm

March 6, 2003
President Bush gives press conference in which he indicates that war is very close

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030306-8.html

March 7, 2003
Hans Blix before UN Security Council states that searches have "found no evidence of mobile biological production facilities in Iraq," and that "after three months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq." He also says that Niger uranium documents are "not authentic."

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/SC7asdelivered.htm

March 16, 2003
At a summit in the Azores, President Bush and Prime Minister Blair issue an ultimatum to the United Nations that if it does not enforce its own demands for Iraqi disarmament, the United States and Britain will lead a coalition to war within days.
Vice President Cheney on MEET THE PRESS: "My belief is that we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030316-3.html

March 17, 2003
In a televised address to the nation, Bush gives Saddam Hussein 48 hours to leave Iraq or face invasion.


March 20, 2003
War begins.

http://www.cissm.umd.edu/papers/display.php?id=32

US planes bombard military targets in Baghdad. British marines invade the Faw peninsula in the south of the country.


April 9, 2003
With the help of a US Marine tank, an Iraqi crowd topples a giant statue of Saddam Hussein in central Baghdad. Widespread looting breaks out in Baghdad.

April 22, 2003
The UN chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix, condemns British and American handling of the hunt for any possible weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/pages/security_council_briefings.asp#9

May 1, 2003
President Bush lands on the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln wearing a flight suit and in front of a giant "Mission Accomplished" banner states, "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml


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You guys are too funny...I hope RSR posts a bunch of links....:razz:

you hope for sure bets. That's no fun.

Similarly, I hope that there is still enough oxygen in the atmosphere to sustain life when I wake up tomorrow.

Unlike RSR, superlative does indeed add his own content to his cut and pastes and he often offers original thought of his very own creation....and well articulated, at that.
 

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September 22, 2001
Knight Ridder reporter Warren Strobel publishes a story with the lede: "While President Bush's top advisers debate whether to target Iraq for devastating bombardment as part of the U.S.-led war on terrorism, U.S. officials and terrorism experts say there is little evidence Saddam Hussein's regime played a role in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon."

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/iraq/intelligence/11829384.htm
Taking a look at this, as if it were written today:

Posted on Sat, Sep. 22, 2001

Experts say Iraq, Hussein not likely tied to terrorist attacks
By Warren P. Strobel
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - While President Bush's top advisers debate whether to target Iraq for devastating bombardment as part of the U.S.-led war on terrorism, U.S. officials and terrorism experts say there is little evidence Saddam Hussein's regime played a role in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. 11 Days after the attacks!

The issue of who - if anyone - helped suspect Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida network plan and execute the Sept. 11 terrorist tragedy has taken on new urgency as Bush decides how and where to retaliate with a growing military arsenal being deployed overseas.So they were looking, isn't that what they were supposed to be doing?

In the hours after the attacks, U.S. intelligence obtained congratulatory messages from bin Laden operatives that seemed to confirm the Afghan-based Saudi exile's culpability. Members of groups allied with al-Qaida, such as the Egyptian Jihad organization and the Algeria-based Armed Islamic Group, may have played a role, too, said a U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

But because of the size and elaborate planning of last week's events, suspicions have persisted that bin Laden had a sponsoring nation, such as Iraq.gee since Saddam had issued a hit on a president and made threatening remarks, looking at that state would be reasonable.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said that "little bits and pieces of information" are being pursued that suggest links between foreign governments and the terrorists who hijacked four commercial jetliners. But there is no hard evidence, said the official, who requested anonymity.

The CIA and other intelligence agencies have declined to disclose many specifics of what they know about who's behind the attacks because they do not want to give away anything that would endanger their sources.

Among the hints of a link to Iraq is a meeting between Mohammed Atta, a hijacker aboard one of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers, and an Iraqi intelligence agent in Europe last year. While interesting, it is hardly evidence that Iraq was behind the attacks, the official said.

Bin Laden himself met with Iraqi intelligence agents in Afghanistan shortly after he fled there from Sudan in 1996, another official said Friday, confirming a report in the Wall Street Journal. No connections could be proven so we move along.

Al-Qaida and the Iraqi government reached an understanding "that al-Qaida would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al-Qaida would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq," according to the 1998 indictment of bin Laden associates for the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Yet beyond their shared hatred for the United States, the Islamic extremist bin Laden and Saddam's secular state have little in common.

"I have never seen any evidence that Iraq is heavily involved in al-Qaida," said Kenneth Katzman, a Middle East specialist at the Congressional Research Service, an arm of the Library of Congress.

Bin Laden's network is made up of so-called "Afghan Arabs" who went to Afghanistan to fight the Soviet Union's occupation during the 1980s. Few Iraqis went because Iraq was consumed by its war with Iran, Katzman said. "If you're not in that milieu, you're not in al-Qaida," he said.

The first suggestions that Iraq was behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon surfaced in reports attributed to Israel's intelligence services. One of the reports contained a factual error that raised doubts about its veracity.
Wow, you mean the US actually vets Israeli intelligence reports? Color me surprised!

Israel has long viewed Iraq as its most fearsome Arab opponent because of Baghdad's huge conventional army and nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs.

Proponents of Iraq complicity also cite the theory that Saddam Hussein was behind the first attempt to topple the World Trade Center, in a 1993 bombing.

Last week's attack "was the biggest terrorist event in history. It takes a state to carry off something" of that magnitude, said Laurie Mylroie, author of a book last year that argued that the 1993 bombing was Saddam's revenge for his defeat in the Gulf War. "The only state that comes to mind is Iraq."

But Mylroie acknowledged she has no "evidence as understood in the legal sense" for Iraqi complicity.

The civilian Pentagon officials arguing for Iraq to be included in the targets for U.S. retaliation include Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and senior adviser Richard Perle.

Others within the administration, led by Secretary of State Colin Powell, have strongly objected to military operations against Islamic countries other than Afghanistan. A broader attack would shatter the international coalition backing U.S. anti-terrorism efforts, they argue.

Yet Gary Richter of the Energy Department's Sandia National Laboratories, who has written classified reports on bin Laden for the U.S. government, said there were governments besides Afghanistan and Sudan, where he lived until 1996, who share culpability.

"When the administration looks around for who's to blame for this guy being who he is," it will find plenty of countries that provided support, Richter said. He declined to be specific.

Powell appears to have won the argument for now, said a Senate aide, who requested anonymity.

But Bush, in his speech Thursday to Congress, kept his options open. "Any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime," he declared.
October 2001
Pentagon dispatches former CIA director, James Woolsey, to Europe to search for connection between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks.


November 2001
As US strikes in Afghanistan are underway, pundits begin citing Saddam Hussein's removal as the next mission in the war on terror. Bill Kristol, editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD on Fox News: "...it's no longer a question of if, it's a question of how we go after Saddam Hussein." THE NEW YORK TIMES publishes an article citing intelligence from Iraqi defectors.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/384thhhq.asp

November 12, 2001
William Safire of THE NEW YORK TIMES calls meeting between 9/11 Hijacker Mohammed Atta with an Iraqi diplomat an "undisputed fact."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/539dozfr.asp

December 2001
FRONTLINE, in collaboration with THE NEW YORK TIMES, produces "Gunning for Saddam," detailing the strong evidence provided by defectors that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction.

December 20, 2001
Judith Miller publishes the first of six stories for the NEW YORK TIMES based on Iraqi defectors' testimony. One major source for such defector information was the former head of the Iraqi National Congress, Ahmed Chalabi.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/international/middleeast/20040526CRITIQUE.html

January 29, 2002
In his first State of the Union address since September 11, George W. Bush declares Iraq part of an 'axis of evil'

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020129-11.html

February and May 2002
VANITY FAIR writer David Rose publishes a number of stories relying on the information provided by Iraqi defectors. He follows the series with January 2003's "Baghdad's Cruel Princes." While most of the stories are not online, Rose's January 2007 article on prominent Neoconservatives look back at the Iraq war - "Neo Culpa" is available.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/01/neocons200701

August 2002
Vice-President Dick Cheney: "Many of us are convinced that Saddam Hussein will acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020826.html

September 8, 2002
Vice-President Cheney cites NEW YORK TIMES story about aluminum tubes on NBC's MEET THE PRESS.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A54988-2002Sep8?language=printer

September 19, 2002
Joby Warrick reports in THE WASHINGTON POST "A key piece of evidence in the Bush administration's case against Iraq is being challenged in a report by independent experts who question whether thousands of high-strength aluminum tubes recently sought by Iraq were intended for a secret nuclear weapons program."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36348-2002Sep18?language=printer

October 2002
Administration releases unclassified version of The National Intelligence Estimate detailing Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs.


October 7, 2002
President Bush: "We cannot wait for the final proof - the smoking gun- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

October 10, 2002
Congress passes Joint Resolution to authorize the use of United States Military force in Iraq.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

October 26, 2002
In largest public anti-war protest since 1960's, 100,000 march in Washington to protest military strike against Iraq. WASHINGTON POST Ombudsman later criticizes the paper for not giving this event wider coverage.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1027-06.htm
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/iraq/intelligence/13730838.htm

November 2002
James Fallows piece "The Fifty-first State?" is published in THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY in which he queried "Going to war with Iraq would mean shouldering all the responsibilities of an occupying power the moment victory was achieved. These would include running the economy, keeping domestic peace, and protecting Iraq's borders-and doing it all for years, or perhaps decades. Are we ready for this long-term relationship?"

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200211/fallows

November 8, 2002
UN Security Council adopts Resolution 1441, which dictates "Iraq will face serious consequences if it does not comply with inspections."

November 27, 2002
UN weapons inspectors arrive in Baghdad for the first time since December 1998 in order to search for weapons of mass destruction.

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/EPI/bioter/yellowcakeotherquarries.html

December 7, 2002
Iraqi officials in Baghdad present 12,000 page weapons report to United Nations, as instructed by UN resolution 1441. Iraqi General Hasam Amin says report proves "that Iraq is empty of weapons of mass destruction."

http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Statements/2002/ebsp2002n010.shtml

December 19, 2002
Hans Blix, UN Chief Weapons Inspector, states that the Iraqi weapons report does not contain substantial new information about its capability to produce weapons of mass destruction. The United States thus declares that Iraq is in "material breach" of UN Resolution 1441.

http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Focus/IaeaIraq/

January 13, 2003
Tony Blair says that Britain and the US could act against Iraq without a second UN resolution.
International Atomic Energy Agency Chief, Mohammed ElBaradei, says that weapons inspectors need "a few months" to finish their search in Iraq.

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page3005.asp

January 16, 2003
Weapons inspectors find 12 empty chemical warheads, not accounted for in Iraq's 12,000 page weapons report.

http://www.aijac.org.au/updates/Jan-03/310103.html#Article 3

January 28, 2003
In his State of the Union address, President Bush alleges "the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

February 5, 2003
Colin Powell addresses the United Nations, making the United States case for war against Iraq. He draws attention to a British Intelligence Report, which, it was quickly proven, had been downloaded off the Internet. The U.S. press focuses its criticism of the mistake on U.K. intelligence

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030205-1.html

February 12, 2003
UN weapons inspectors report that Iraq possesses illegal missiles: two Samoud rockets that exceed the maximum range of 150km set down in the 1991 Gulf war ceasefire agreement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/transcripts/blixtranscript_021403.html

February 14, 2003
Chief UN Nuclear Weapons Inspector, Mohamed Elbaradei, reports to the UN: "We have to date found no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear related activities in Iraq."

Vice-President Cheney on MEET THE PRESS on March 16, 2003 responds to IAEA reports: "I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq's concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing."

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/cheneymeetthepress.htm

February 28, 2003
Hans Blix releases interim report, which gives a mixed assessment of Iraqi cooperation with weapons inspectors, but particularly commends Hussein's pledge to destroy the two illegal Samoud missiles.

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/timeline.htm

March 6, 2003
President Bush gives press conference in which he indicates that war is very close

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030306-8.html

March 7, 2003
Hans Blix before UN Security Council states that searches have "found no evidence of mobile biological production facilities in Iraq," and that "after three months of intrusive inspections, we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq." He also says that Niger uranium documents are "not authentic."

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/SC7asdelivered.htm

March 16, 2003
At a summit in the Azores, President Bush and Prime Minister Blair issue an ultimatum to the United Nations that if it does not enforce its own demands for Iraqi disarmament, the United States and Britain will lead a coalition to war within days.
Vice President Cheney on MEET THE PRESS: "My belief is that we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030316-3.html

March 17, 2003
In a televised address to the nation, Bush gives Saddam Hussein 48 hours to leave Iraq or face invasion.


March 20, 2003
War begins.

http://www.cissm.umd.edu/papers/display.php?id=32

US planes bombard military targets in Baghdad. British marines invade the Faw peninsula in the south of the country.


April 9, 2003
With the help of a US Marine tank, an Iraqi crowd topples a giant statue of Saddam Hussein in central Baghdad. Widespread looting breaks out in Baghdad.

April 22, 2003
The UN chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix, condemns British and American handling of the hunt for any possible weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/pages/security_council_briefings.asp#9

May 1, 2003
President Bush lands on the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln wearing a flight suit and in front of a giant "Mission Accomplished" banner states, "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml


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http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/timeline.html[/QUOTE]
 
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Kathianne,

Im going to enjoy this, I hope it doesnt turn into a pissing match Like the Muslim thread, I wont drag it on if someone starts turning it into that.

When you quote, can you cut out the stuff you're not addressing, otherwise this is going to be a 100 pages and only 25 responses.

I dont mean to be a turd. :idea:
 

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Kathianne,

Im going to enjoy this, I hope it doesnt turn into a pissing match, I wont drag it on if someone starts turning it into that.

When you quote, can you cut out the stuff you're not addressing, otherwise this is going to be a 100 pages and only 25 responses.

I dont mean to be a turd. :idea:
I won't make any pissing match, I don't, (I tend to walk away.) I did consider cutting off things I couldn't address, because of length, but was concerned at attacks. Now I will. Thanks.
 

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Kathianne,

Im going to enjoy this, I hope it doesnt turn into a pissing match Like the Muslim thread, I wont drag it on if someone starts turning it into that.

When you quote, can you cut out the stuff you're not addressing, otherwise this is going to be a 100 pages and only 25 responses.

I dont mean to be a turd. :idea:
Well a girl needs to take a break now and then, have you or no one a response? I'll work on, but your list is long.
 

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Ok, I responded on a few of the links. I also said thanks to the originator for saying to eliminate his/her links to those not addressing. I did such, but no substance in response. Why should I bother with the rest?
 
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Afghanistan's ruling Taliban say they are prepared to put Osama bin Laden on trial in an Afghan court, but only if the US provides hard evidence against him.

Im gonna Nitpick, cause Ive wondered this before.


The White House on Sunday rejected an offer from Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to try suspected terrorist leader Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan under Islamic law.

A Bush administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, rejected the Taliban offer and repeated U.S. demands that bin Laden be turned over unconditionally.........


---"America has given evidence to other countries, we do not say anything," Zaeef said.
"If Americans are convinced that they have solid evidence, we are ready for his trial in Afghanistan, and they have to produce that evidence......."


--- "The Taliban has been given the opportunity to surrender all the terrorists in Afghanistan and to close down their camps and operations," the president said. "Full warning has been given, and time is running out......"

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/10/07/ret.us.taliban/index.html


Why reject it? We didnt have ANY problem following the Law then it came to Saddam.

Maybe we didnt have any proof linking the two?
 
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gee since Saddam had issued a hit on a president and made threatening remarks, looking at that state would be reasonable.
Hasnt Ahmadinejad made some off color remarks in regards to the US?
 
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And Rumsfeld made some inappropriate remarks. Your point?
Maybe we should invade Rumsfelds house. :D

.."But because of the size and elaborate planning of last week's events, suspicions have persisted that bin Laden had a sponsoring nation, such as Iraq.[COLOR="Red"]gee since Saddam had issued a hit on a president and made threatening remarks, looking at that state would be reasonable[/COLOR].
But the US could not prove OBL was directly linked to 9/11, or they would have provided Afghanistan's ruling Taliban some proof. No?

If there were no links to Saddam and 9/11, why did the US all of the sudden decide to invade?

Why after 9/11 did Saddam become such a threat?

Why did the US all of the sudden care that he would eventually get WMD's?

I really seems to me that 9/11 and OBL were the tipping point and the perfect excuse for the hawks to execute their plan, for The Project for the New American Century.

Its all just tooooo convenient.

hhhhmmm?
 

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You guys are too funny...I hope RSR posts a bunch of links....:razz:
No links needed


Superlative and MM constantly reinforce their radical liberal attitudes with their unstable anger for anyone to the right of MoveOn.org.

Somehow, they (intentionally?) miss the point of "there or here". The idea is that as long as we maintain the policy to kill them where they are, they will understand that the same applies here in the US, and we can do it quicker over there. If we dont provide them opportunity to settle here, they must fight their way in, or sneak in.
If we maintain a "antagonistic" rather than a "appeasement" public perspective, we are much less likely to suffer the problems currently in Europe and elsewhere, where an appeasement rules.

In other words, if you liberal wizards gain full control, your "magical" and compassionate acceptance of responsibility for their anger will calm them and they will stop their militancy and express their love for their new "friends"?
 

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and who is the "them" to whom you refer in the "there versus here" piece of that? Would it be sunni and shiite Iraqi insurgents, or would you be referring to AQ?

And if the latter, do you really think that we have them pinned down in Iraq? Do you really think that the handful of deadenders in their final throes is the bulk of the AQ fighting force? Do you not think they may have at least 19 more fighter somewhere other than Iraq armed with something more than box cutters?

Do you really think that they are incapable of attacking Americans here at home just because they have 150K of our troops pinned down in a shooting gallery in Iraq?

They kill us in Iraq because it is like shooting fish in a barrel. If we leave, and go search them out where THEY are, in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan, then we will be taking the fight to THEM on their turf.... NOW...they send a few thousand fighters to Iraq because the killing of Americans is easy. They have a huge american force pinned down in Iraq with only a handful of men. How stupid is that?
 

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the anti war apeasers have this fantasy if we surrender and leave Iraq the terrorists will stop hating us

They will only slaughter those who helped us in Iraq and they will leave America alone

Only from the "mind" of the kook left
 
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No links needed


Superlative and MM constantly reinforce their radical liberal attitudes with their unstable anger for anyone to the right of MoveOn.org.

Somehow, they (intentionally?) miss the point of "there or here". The idea is that as long as we maintain the policy to kill them where they are, they will understand that the same applies here in the US, and we can do it quicker over there. If we dont provide them opportunity to settle here, they must fight their way in, or sneak in.
If we maintain a "antagonistic" rather than a "appeasement" public perspective, we are much less likely to suffer the problems currently in Europe and elsewhere, where an appeasement rules.


In other words, if you liberal wizards gain full control, your "magical" and compassionate acceptance of responsibility for their anger will calm them and they will stop their militancy and express their love for their new "friends"?
You didnt provide a link for who said this, Its more than 5 lines, Am I to think you wrote this yourself?

Dont think I wont Google the whole paragraph and find it.
 

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