Woman threatens president; Not guily by insanity; Buys gun, tries to shoot school!

[martybegan]

'incidents' have always been, are, and will always be a part of life

And it seems like the court system is the one with a flaw... I know, let's give it some more power and throw more money at it

Dave's easy answer to all of lifes questions: Do nothing

Its better than taking a shit on the consitution every time a progressive feels the need to interfere with the lives of other people.

 

[ClosedCaption]

'incidents' have always been, are, and will always be a part of life

And it seems like the court system is the one with a flaw... I know, let's give it some more power and throw more money at it

Dave's easy answer to all of lifes questions: Do nothing

Its better than taking a shit on the consitution every time a progressive feels the need to interfere with the lives of other people.

I know those are the only two options: Do nothing or shit upon the constitution

 

[bucs90]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/u...l-bought-gun-despite-mental-illness.html?_r=0

Really cant even make this shit up.

Alice Boland has a history of mental illness, her parents say. In 2005, she was arrested for threatening to shoot the president, and made the threats to US Customs officers. She was charged, and plead not guilty by reasons of mental illness. The court agreed, and the charged was dropped. She openly admitted mental illness in a federal court.

So, she then goes to a gun store last year, and buys a pistol. Ooops.

And shows up to an all girls prep school, Ashley Hall, which she has no ties to. She approaches school staff, points the gun and begins trying to fire. Ooops. She forgot to take the safety off, the cops say.

In her bond court, she is argumentive with the judge, asking how can she be charged? She says "how do you know i was trying to shoot someone?" She asks "How do you know I wasnt just shooting randomly, and not at a person?"


We are either gonna just have to accept the fact that these incidents are now a part of US life; Or we're gonna have to make some changes. Which is it?

We should all agree that there should things done on both sides.
Common sense items I believe should be in place.
(1) Universal Background checks with a mandatory waiting period: Guns in the wrong hands are DANGEROUS no one can argue that. We should do things to make sure they aren't sold to people who might be dangerous. If there are inconveniences gun owners like myself so be it.
(2) FOID cards - If you are for voter ID laws, then I don't see how you can be against a gun owner card. In Illinois you have to get one. I think hated the long process, but I think it's an important one to make sure illegals, people on the run and ex-cons can obtain guns or ammo.
(3) End the Gun Shows: It's too easy for fraud and other misdeeds.
(4) Mandatory wi/24 report of lost or missing gun to the police UPON NOTICE OF LOST OR MISSING: Or face vicarious liability and/or criminal charges for anything done by that gun.
(5) Teacher/Professor conceal carry: Allow teachers to carry firearms. Vigorous background check, high level of training, high standard of carry, etc.
(6) Armed Guards in Schools: Some exemptions for small rural schools with small budgets, teachers can be "deputized."

Fine, but next time before you post something, i want you to wait 3 days for some government flunky to review your post, and make sure you are capabale of using your 1st amendment rights.

And NONE of these things should even be considered until I get my rights as a New York State citizen given back to me. In this state only the police and government flunkies get to defend themselves and thier families, the rest of us have to wait for "help" to arrive.

Police there can only possess those magazines in their official duties. They cant have them at home as a private citizen.

That is a stupid law though. The only reasonable fix, imo, is to reopen and fund mental institutes, have thorough background checks, and drastically increase the penalties for those convicted of violent crimes involving a gun.

Mental health and a far harsher approach to prosecuting criminals. That is the key to reducing our gun violence. Not limiting your magazine count.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/u...l-bought-gun-despite-mental-illness.html?_r=0

Really cant even make this shit up.

Alice Boland has a history of mental illness, her parents say. In 2005, she was arrested for threatening to shoot the president, and made the threats to US Customs officers. She was charged, and plead not guilty by reasons of mental illness. The court agreed, and the charged was dropped. She openly admitted mental illness in a federal court.

So, she then goes to a gun store last year, and buys a pistol. Ooops.

And shows up to an all girls prep school, Ashley Hall, which she has no ties to. She approaches school staff, points the gun and begins trying to fire. Ooops. She forgot to take the safety off, the cops say.

In her bond court, she is argumentive with the judge, asking how can she be charged? She says "how do you know i was trying to shoot someone?" She asks "How do you know I wasnt just shooting randomly, and not at a person?"


We are either gonna just have to accept the fact that these incidents are now a part of US life; Or we're gonna have to make some changes. Which is it?

Follow the already existing laws. They should have reported her mental ruling to the federal Government so that she could not buy a firearm. You see it is already illegal to do so if judged mentally deficient. Either the State did not report it or someone in the system did not put her in the system. Pretty simple concept.

They didnt have to. She reported it herself, when she plead insanity in a Federal Court in 2005! It wasnt the state. The federal government already knew about it.

The problem? Unless a person is actually admitted to a mental institute, their mental illness isnt on a background check.

Alice Boland wasnt committed to an institute, because well, we rarely do that anymore. Liberals dont like the social act of doing it; Conservatives just dont like having to fund it.

THus, we get Alice Boland.

Wrong, the law requires that if you have been adjudged mentally deficient you get a flag and the federal Government is required to note that. States are required to report it. The law already exists dumb ass. She was not qualified to buy a gun. Someone in a Bureaucracy did not make the appropriate annotation.

We don't need a new law, we just need to enforce the ones we already have.
So explain how if the Government is to STUPID to keep track why they even ask the question?

 

[martybegan]

Dave's easy answer to all of lifes questions: Do nothing

Its better than taking a shit on the consitution every time a progressive feels the need to interfere with the lives of other people.

I know those are the only two options: Do nothing or shit upon the constitution

Overreacting over events that happen less often on a exponential scale than other types of events sometimes requires you to do nothing if you respect the document our country was founded on.

Or as I said before, TRY TO CHANGE THE 2ND AMENDMENT if you feel that strongly about it.

 

[WUN]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/u...l-bought-gun-despite-mental-illness.html?_r=0

Really cant even make this shit up.

Alice Boland has a history of mental illness, her parents say. In 2005, she was arrested for threatening to shoot the president, and made the threats to US Customs officers. She was charged, and plead not guilty by reasons of mental illness. The court agreed, and the charged was dropped. She openly admitted mental illness in a federal court.

So, she then goes to a gun store last year, and buys a pistol. Ooops.

And shows up to an all girls prep school, Ashley Hall, which she has no ties to. She approaches school staff, points the gun and begins trying to fire. Ooops. She forgot to take the safety off, the cops say.

In her bond court, she is argumentive with the judge, asking how can she be charged? She says "how do you know i was trying to shoot someone?" She asks "How do you know I wasnt just shooting randomly, and not at a person?"


We are either gonna just have to accept the fact that these incidents are now a part of US life; Or we're gonna have to make some changes. Which is it?

They have been part of U.S. life for a long time. Violence is part of our society because of our culture, not because of guns. Glorification of violence contributes to this. We need to make changes as people, not so much with the guns. Better mental health care all around is going to do more than reducing the size of the magazines. The overwhelming majority of gun owners obtain the proper permits and never shoot anyone or get shot over the course of their entire lives. Sure there are more gun deaths per capita in the U.S., but some of that can be attributed to leniency towards the culprits in sentencing. All those interviews with convicted killers like Charles Manson and David Chapman are a beacon to all the potential crazies out there.

 

[martybegan]

We should all agree that there should things done on both sides.
Common sense items I believe should be in place.
(1) Universal Background checks with a mandatory waiting period: Guns in the wrong hands are DANGEROUS no one can argue that. We should do things to make sure they aren't sold to people who might be dangerous. If there are inconveniences gun owners like myself so be it.
(2) FOID cards - If you are for voter ID laws, then I don't see how you can be against a gun owner card. In Illinois you have to get one. I think hated the long process, but I think it's an important one to make sure illegals, people on the run and ex-cons can obtain guns or ammo.
(3) End the Gun Shows: It's too easy for fraud and other misdeeds.
(4) Mandatory wi/24 report of lost or missing gun to the police UPON NOTICE OF LOST OR MISSING: Or face vicarious liability and/or criminal charges for anything done by that gun.
(5) Teacher/Professor conceal carry: Allow teachers to carry firearms. Vigorous background check, high level of training, high standard of carry, etc.
(6) Armed Guards in Schools: Some exemptions for small rural schools with small budgets, teachers can be "deputized."

Fine, but next time before you post something, i want you to wait 3 days for some government flunky to review your post, and make sure you are capabale of using your 1st amendment rights.

And NONE of these things should even be considered until I get my rights as a New York State citizen given back to me. In this state only the police and government flunkies get to defend themselves and thier families, the rest of us have to wait for "help" to arrive.

Police there can only possess those magazines in their official duties. They cant have them at home as a private citizen.

That is a stupid law though. The only reasonable fix, imo, is to reopen and fund mental institutes, have thorough background checks, and drastically increase the penalties for those convicted of violent crimes involving a gun.

Mental health and a far harsher approach to prosecuting criminals. That is the key to reducing our gun violence. Not limiting your magazine count.

If a civillian is only supposed to need X amount of shots to defend themselves, why should police need any more? After all they are supposed to be FAR better trained.

I am loathe to even allow them weapons we are banned from having even ON duty. Again a police officer is a civillian, not a solider, and should follow the same rules as all other civillians. To do otherwise is to create two tiers of citizens, another version of the "knight" a level of nobility that held the franchise on the ability to use force.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/u...l-bought-gun-despite-mental-illness.html?_r=0

Really cant even make this shit up.

Alice Boland has a history of mental illness, her parents say. In 2005, she was arrested for threatening to shoot the president, and made the threats to US Customs officers. She was charged, and plead not guilty by reasons of mental illness. The court agreed, and the charged was dropped. She openly admitted mental illness in a federal court.

So, she then goes to a gun store last year, and buys a pistol. Ooops.

And shows up to an all girls prep school, Ashley Hall, which she has no ties to. She approaches school staff, points the gun and begins trying to fire. Ooops. She forgot to take the safety off, the cops say.

In her bond court, she is argumentive with the judge, asking how can she be charged? She says "how do you know i was trying to shoot someone?" She asks "How do you know I wasnt just shooting randomly, and not at a person?"


We are either gonna just have to accept the fact that these incidents are now a part of US life; Or we're gonna have to make some changes. Which is it?

Here is my problem, it is already illegal under federal law for anyone with a mental illness to buy a gun, and this woman has a federal record of being bat shit crazy, yet the mandated background check of federal database she went through did not list her as being batshit enough not to buy a gun. Yet, somehow, because I don't think background checks stop people who are batshit crazy from killing people, I am crazy for pointing out that the law is stupid.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/u...l-bought-gun-despite-mental-illness.html?_r=0

Really cant even make this shit up.

Alice Boland has a history of mental illness, her parents say. In 2005, she was arrested for threatening to shoot the president, and made the threats to US Customs officers. She was charged, and plead not guilty by reasons of mental illness. The court agreed, and the charged was dropped. She openly admitted mental illness in a federal court.

So, she then goes to a gun store last year, and buys a pistol. Ooops.

And shows up to an all girls prep school, Ashley Hall, which she has no ties to. She approaches school staff, points the gun and begins trying to fire. Ooops. She forgot to take the safety off, the cops say.

In her bond court, she is argumentive with the judge, asking how can she be charged? She says "how do you know i was trying to shoot someone?" She asks "How do you know I wasnt just shooting randomly, and not at a person?"


We are either gonna just have to accept the fact that these incidents are now a part of US life; Or we're gonna have to make some changes. Which is it?

Follow the already existing laws. They should have reported her mental ruling to the federal Government so that she could not buy a firearm. You see it is already illegal to do so if judged mentally deficient. Either the State did not report it or someone in the system did not put her in the system. Pretty simple concept.

They didnt have to. She reported it herself, when she plead insanity in a Federal Court in 2005! It wasnt the state. The federal government already knew about it.

The problem? Unless a person is actually admitted to a mental institute, their mental illness isnt on a background check.

Alice Boland wasnt committed to an institute, because well, we rarely do that anymore. Liberals dont like the social act of doing it; Conservatives just dont like having to fund it.

THus, we get Alice Boland.

Not true. Federal law requires that anyone who is adjudicated as being batshit not be able to buy a gun. Since she was adjudicated as being batshit.

YOu should really learn what you are ranting about before you make a fool of yourself.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We should all agree that there should things done on both sides.
Common sense items I believe should be in place.
(1) Universal Background checks with a mandatory waiting period: Guns in the wrong hands are DANGEROUS no one can argue that. We should do things to make sure they aren't sold to people who might be dangerous. If there are inconveniences gun owners like myself so be it.
(2) FOID cards - If you are for voter ID laws, then I don't see how you can be against a gun owner card. In Illinois you have to get one. I think hated the long process, but I think it's an important one to make sure illegals, people on the run and ex-cons can obtain guns or ammo.
(3) End the Gun Shows: It's too easy for fraud and other misdeeds.
(4) Mandatory wi/24 report of lost or missing gun to the police UPON NOTICE OF LOST OR MISSING: Or face vicarious liability and/or criminal charges for anything done by that gun.
(5) Teacher/Professor conceal carry: Allow teachers to carry firearms. Vigorous background check, high level of training, high standard of carry, etc.
(6) Armed Guards in Schools: Some exemptions for small rural schools with small budgets, teachers can be "deputized."

Fine, but next time before you post something, i want you to wait 3 days for some government flunky to review your post, and make sure you are capabale of using your 1st amendment rights.

And NONE of these things should even be considered until I get my rights as a New York State citizen given back to me. In this state only the police and government flunkies get to defend themselves and thier families, the rest of us have to wait for "help" to arrive.

Police there can only possess those magazines in their official duties. They cant have them at home as a private citizen.

That is a stupid law though. The only reasonable fix, imo, is to reopen and fund mental institutes, have thorough background checks, and drastically increase the penalties for those convicted of violent crimes involving a gun.

Mental health and a far harsher approach to prosecuting criminals. That is the key to reducing our gun violence. Not limiting your magazine count.

That was an accident, not design.

 

[Noomi]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/u...l-bought-gun-despite-mental-illness.html?_r=0

Really cant even make this shit up.

Alice Boland has a history of mental illness, her parents say. In 2005, she was arrested for threatening to shoot the president, and made the threats to US Customs officers. She was charged, and plead not guilty by reasons of mental illness. The court agreed, and the charged was dropped. She openly admitted mental illness in a federal court.

So, she then goes to a gun store last year, and buys a pistol. Ooops.

And shows up to an all girls prep school, Ashley Hall, which she has no ties to. She approaches school staff, points the gun and begins trying to fire. Ooops. She forgot to take the safety off, the cops say.

In her bond court, she is argumentive with the judge, asking how can she be charged? She says "how do you know i was trying to shoot someone?" She asks "How do you know I wasnt just shooting randomly, and not at a person?"


We are either gonna just have to accept the fact that these incidents are now a part of US life; Or we're gonna have to make some changes. Which is it?

Sounds like she is using her mental illness as an attempt to get away with her crime. Typical.