Woman in WA receives 16 ballots in her mail.

[para bellum]

"She said the mix-up gives her concern about a democratic election."

She thinks the US has democracy. How quaint.

If people actually understood the system they were voting in, do you think they might actually demand DEMOCRACY instead of what the US currently has.

Every State is already a democracy where the popular vote decides the elections.

The USofA is a Constitutional republic.

Your complaint is how the States allocate their electoral votes.

 

[frigidweirdo]

A republic is a form of democracy.

No... a Republic is when people have access to the power.

The US is a Republic because you can be President, you can be a Congressman/woman, you can be a Supreme Court justice. As opposed to a monarchy where you can't be the Monarch because it's hereditary.

The UK isn't a Republic, but is kind of a democracy.

Democracy is when people vote and this chooses who the representatives are.

The problem here is percentages. You have Hong Kong where people get to vote, but it's not democracy because the system is so manipulated that the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

Then you have a system where individuals vote for every law that gets passed. That's pure democracy. Almost impossible too.

The US has a system where people get to vote. In the case of the Presidential election, you have swing states which decide who wins, which means 80% of the population's vote doesn't really matter. It could, but it doesn't.

Then you have the Senate which gives people in Wyoming a much stronger vote than people in California.

The House is the closest to democracy, but it's still a two party system. It's still "choose between these two" rather than "choose who you want".

 

[Independent thinker]

It’s probably years of people who have lived in that apartment and their addresses have never been updated.

This isn’t fraud, you dumb ass. There are logical explanations to most of these events.

This is why ballots should not just be automatically mailed out to everyone.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No... a Republic is when people have access to the power.

Sorry, but you're wrong. A republic is, indeed, a form of democracy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

This is why ballots should not just be automatically mailed out to everyone.

Why? Oh that's right, you guys don't know anything about the process and don't understand that these ballots later have to be verified.

But then you'll learn that, and claim those verifying the ballots are corrupt.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Every State is already a democracy where the popular vote decides the elections.

The USofA is a Constitutional republic.

Your complaint is how the States allocate their electoral votes.

My complaint is about the lack of democracy.

The popular votes does not always decide elections.

2020 North Carolina House of Representatives election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Let's take gerrymandering North Carolina

In 2020 the Republicans received 49.99% of the votes and got 57.5% of the seats. The Democrats got 49.06% of the vote and 42.5% of the seats.

Huh? That's not the popular vote deciding. The popular vote there would mean that at least 6 different parties would get seats and the seats would be allocated based on the number of votes. It isn't.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sorry, but you're wrong. A republic is, indeed, a form of democracy.

Nope. You're wrong. You don't need to have democracy to have a Republic.

China is a Republic.

Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"A republic, based on the Latin phrase res publica ('public affair'), is a state in which political power rests with the public through their representatives—in contrast to a monarchy."

Xi Jinping is a member of the public. He wasn't born into a royal family. Any person in China could, theoretically, become leader of China.

 

[toobfreak]

If the shoe fits

Why should your shoe fit me? That doesn't even make sense.

Of course I am

You probably are, but by no means certain as we can never really know.
I guess a whole lotta people have lived at the same address, each only living there two years at a time and NONE of them ever updating their new address or the system never updating itself on any of them. Sure, that makes sense.

Extended forward, that implies about a MILLION possible errant ballots floating out there per state all ripe to be filled out by mischievous people looking to commit election fraud.

But I'm sure that it just never happens!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nope. You're wrong. You don't need to have democracy to have a Republic.

China is a Republic.

Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"A republic, based on the Latin phrase res publica ('public affair'), is a state in which political power rests with the public through their representatives—in contrast to a monarchy."

Xi Jinping is a member of the public. He wasn't born into a royal family. Any person in China could, theoretically, become leader of China.

I see your point, but we indeed have a democratic republic.

 

[para bellum]

My complaint is about the lack of democracy.

The popular votes does not always decide elections.

2020 North Carolina House of Representatives election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Let's take gerrymandering North Carolina

In 2020 the Republicans received 49.99% of the votes and got 57.5% of the seats. The Democrats got 49.06% of the vote and 42.5% of the seats.

Huh? That's not the popular vote deciding. The popular vote there would mean that at least 6 different parties would get seats and the seats would be allocated based on the number of votes. It isn't.

Eh? North Carolina is not a parliamentary system.

Each district voted for their State representative, and the candidate with the most votes in each district won that district.

The difference between the districts and the statewide totals just reflects the fact that some districts were won by larger margins than others.

Pretty simple...

 

[skye]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

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Your off topic, witless spam never gets old!

 

[0311]

Election fraud, Washington edition. Woman receives 16 ballots with different names, all addressed to her unit.

"I was in complete shock," said Jami Visaya, who rents a two-bedroom apartment in Bellevue. "My son and I moved in here on Oct. 3.”

Bellevue woman receives 16 ballots addressed to her apartment number with different names

"In 30 years of voting, I've never had that many ballots that don't belong to me, you know?" said resident Jami Visaya.

www.king5.com

She contacted the proper authorities. She DID NOT use those ballots, which you of course fail to mention. No fraud here.

 

[para bellum]

She contacted the proper authorities. She DID NOT use those ballots, which you of course fail to mention. No fraud here.

Oh I wasn't accusing her of fraud, she did the right thing. Gotta wonder about the people who lived there before her, lol.

I also know if this was happening in a deep red state, you guys would be screaming:

MAGA Election Fraud!!!!

 

[frigidweirdo]

I see your point, but we indeed have a democratic republic.

I'd say the US has a semi-democratic republic. There's a semblance of democracy, ore image than substance.

The US president is not chosen by the people, the Senate slightly better but still bad.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Eh? North Carolina is not a parliamentary system.

Each district voted for their State representative, and the candidate with the most votes in each district won that district.

The difference between the districts and the statewide totals just reflects the fact that some districts were won by larger margins than others.

Pretty simple...

I didn't say I didn't understand it. I said it was shit and unfair and does not represent the wishes of the people.

In Germany, 36% voted for a party and 77% of the seats went to that party, using the same system. In North Carolina they gerrymandered to hell. Why? Because they could.

I mentioned the 2020 elections in North Carolina, maybe we should go back in time to 2012 when the Republicans won 77 of the 120 seats, or 64% with who knows how many votes, but probably close to 50-50 because in the US House the Dems got 50.6% and the Reps got 48.75% with the Dems getting 4 seats and the Republicans getting 9. Would you believe it?

That's what gerrymandering looks like if you're a fucked up Republican dictatorship in North Carolina. Imagine getting 30% of the seats with more than 50% of the vote....