WITHOUT GOOGLING Name a famous historic battle.

[Litwin]

Battles or wars?? Or do you mean interchangeably???


Battle of Gettysburg

battles​

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The degree to which a historic battle is famous is not always an indication of how decisive it was since the victors write the history books.

An important battle about which no Hollywood movie has been made nor is likely to be made was the Battle of Kasserine Pass since it was a humiliating defeat for the inexperienced Allies against the outnumbered, out gunned and battle weary German forces.

I have read that in several instances, Rommel, who was virtually always outnumbered, short on fuel and related supplies and without air cover used light utility vehicles to drag brush creating so much dust that it gave the illusion of a much larger force. With the low visibility, the Allies were left to inflict more casualties on themselves than were caused by Rommel's numerically inferior forces.

The Battle of Vienna (Sept. 12, 1683) against the invading Ottoman Turks was perhaps a more significant battle because it determined the fate of Western Europe.

The infamous Ottoman siege cannon proved to be less effective against Vienna's defenses than in earlier battles.

I couldn't resist posting a photo of one of the cumbersome and ornate weapons.



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Big Red One had Kasserine in it.

 

[Unkotare]

Kawanakajima

 

[Dekster]

Guadalcanal.

 

[Jarlaxle]

El Alamein.

 

[Grau]

Big Red One had Kasserine in it.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Do you mean that The Big Red One participated in the battle of Kasserine?

Rommel was both insightful and gracious enough to comment that the inexperienced Americans may have lost the battle but seemed to be quick learners.

Thanks,

 

[westwall]

WITHOUT GOOGLING Name a famous historic battle.
100 Muscovite (natural slaves ) protesters vs. putin´s OMON (oprichniki) (2022)

Oprichnina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lepanto, Stalingrad, Megiddo, Yorktown, Midway....how many more do you want?

 

[Grau]

Lepanto, Stalingrad, Megiddo, Yorktown, Midway....hiw many more do you want?

How about closing one particular battle that you found interesting or unusual and explaining why? (If you feel like it, of course)

I'm interested in other opinions.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I'm not sure what you mean.

Do you mean that The Big Red One participated in the battle of Kasserine?

Rommel was both insightful and gracious enough to comment that the inexperienced Americans may have lost the battle but seemed to be quick learners.

Thanks,

there was a movie the Big Red One. with Lee Marvin in it.

 

[Zebra]

Cannae.

Austerlitz

 

[Grau]

there was a movie the Big Red One. with Lee Marvin in it.

Thanks, I've heard of it but don't particularly like war movies.

I prefer more educational movies featuring bikinis, dinosaurs and mud wrestling....

Do you have a battle in mind that you think is noteworthy in some way?

Thanks,

 

[hjmick]

El Alamein.

Some would argue that had Rommel been running the war, things might have turned out different for the Allies...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Thanks, I've heard of it but don't particularly like war movies.

I prefer more educational movies featuring bikinis, dinosaurs and mud wrestling....

Do you have a battle in mind that you think is noteworthy in some way?

Thanks,

I responded to the claim that the battle of Kasserine Pass was not and would never be in a film. I know tons of important battles, the one I would talk about that is from medieval times was already mentioned Agincourt.

 

[westwall]

How about closing one particular battle that you found interesting or unusual and explaining why? (If you feel like it, of course)

I'm interested in other opinions.

Ok, Lepanto, last naval battle to be fought entirely with rowed ships. Halted the Ottoman expansion towards the west, and effectively separated the Mediterranean into east and west, the east controlled by the Ottomans, and the west by the Spanish.

However, the Holy League failed to follow up on their victory, which resulted in their failure to regain lost territories, and allowed the Ottomans to rebuild their fleet fast enough that they were able to reassert control over the eastern Med.

 

[odanny]

Battle of Actium

Battle of Actium - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Litwin]

Some would argue that had Rommel been running the war, things might have turned out different for the Allies...

i dont think so , even if stalin- hitler´s PACT´d hold, USA produced 50%+ of the world GDP in 40s

 

[Grau]

i dont think so , even if stalin- hitler´s PACT´d hold, USA produced 50%+ of the world GDP in 40s

Finally, Germany didn't want a 2 - 3 Front war and tried to avoid war with the Western Allies when Hitler sent Hess to attempt to negotiate with Churchill who was determined to dupe gullible Americans into fighting another war with Germany.

"What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933–1940"

Amazon.com

EXCERPT "- The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. In that speech, Hitler once again offered unconditional peace to Britain.

This speech was printed in English and dropped by the tens of thousands from German aircraft over Britain. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace;"CONTINUED


“Winston Churchill: "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)”

The history truth about WWII you should know!

Winston Churchill: We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not. - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast) Germany becomes too powerful. We have to crush it. - Winston Churchill (November 1936 to US-General Robert E. Wood) Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2…

lorddreadnought.livejournal.com

And:

"Churchill's Deception"

Churchill's Deception: The Dark Secret That Destroyed N…

Argues that Churchill tricked Hitler into invading Russ…

www.goodreads.com

EXCERPTS "Churchill's Deception describes how Great Britain shunned opportunities to end the war because it sought to dismember Germany, not merely to destroy Hitler.

German generals were ready to topple the Fuhrer in 1939 and 1940, but only if Britain agreed not to take advantage of a civil war that would follow.

England did not agree. And because of Hitler's own obsession about obtaining a pact with Great Britain, he offered to return his Western conquests in exchange for guarantees concerning Germany's interests in the East.

Though Churchill held out for more, he took note of Hitler's obsessive desire for peace with England.

They invited the Deputy Fuhrer of Germany, Rudolf Hess, to attend a peace conference at which Hitler would negotiate the coming invasion of the Soviet Union with the British "Peace Party."

Had the British adopted an anti-Hitler, instead of an anti-Germany, foreign policy, the history of the twentieth century could have been dramatically altered. Kilzer raises the significant question: Would another policy have avoided the Holocaust?"CONTINUED


Even after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, about 80% of Americans opposed another war with Germany. In spite of that, Rosevelt did want war as did America's Zionists long before Pearl Harbor:

"THE JEWS DECLARE WAR ON GERMANY (1933)"

https://ia802303.us.archive.org/19/items/jews-declare-war-on-germany-1933/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933.pdf

EXCERPT ""The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany. Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily Express, March 24, 1933." CONTINUED


Among the numerous schemes used by British Intelligence Agencies to deceive Americans was a fake German invasion map of South America:

“A Map of Nazi South America (Forged by the British)”

“This map makes clear the Nazi design, not only against South America but against the United States as well”, said FDR

A Map of Nazi South America (Forged by the British)

“This map makes clear the Nazi design, not only against South America but against the United States as well”, said FDR

bigthink.com

“Hitler has often protested that his plans for conquest do not extend across the Atlantic Ocean. I have in my possession a secret map, made in Germany by Hitler’s government – by the planners of the new world order. It is a map of South America and a part of Central America as Hitler proposes to reorganize it,”
revealed US President Franklin D. Roosevelt in his Navy Day address to the nation, broadcast on 27 October 1941." CONTINUED


It is especially regrettable that many Americans still believe the moronic notion that: "Hitler wanted to conquer the world." when the European theater of WW 2 was primarily a result of the fatally flawed treaty of Versailles and a struggle between National Socialism and Stalin's expanding Communism aided by his Western Allies.

Finally, the reason that Germany attacked Russia is because German Intelligence agencies discovered Stalin's plan to conquer all of Europe and beyond on or around June of 1941.

"Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe:…"

Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe

Book Review Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe How the Soviet Union ‘Lost’ the Second World War Poslednyaya Respublika (“The Last Republic”), by Viktor Suvorov (Vladimir Rezun). Moscow: TKO ACT, 1996. 470 pages. Hardcover. Photographs. Reviewed by Daniel W. Michaels For several years now...

www.ihr.org

EXCERPT "In Icebreaker, Suvorov details the deployment of Soviet forces in June 1941, describing just how Stalin amassed vast numbers of troops and stores of weapons along the European frontier, not to defend the Soviet homeland but in preparation for a westward attack and decisive battles on enemy territory." CONTINUED

The primary reason for so many early German victories over the Russians is because Soviet forces were in offensive positions, not defensive positions in preparation for M. - Day (Stalin's "Mobilization Day").

Thanks,

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Hate to break it to ya but Germany declared War on the US dunce. As for peace with Germany Britain was right to fight on. The Generals i Germany would not have succeeded in replacing Hitler and IF a civil war broke out the Soviets would have invaded.

 

[Grau]

Hate to break it to ya but Germany declared War on the US dunce. As for peace with Germany Britain was right to fight on. The Generals i Germany would not have succeeded in replacing Hitler and IF a civil war broke out the Soviets would have invaded.

Yes, dummy, I know better than to try to be civil to traitorous Zionist shills and I know that Germany declared war on the US only because it was bound by a treaty with Japan.

Re:

As for peace with Germany Britain was right to fight on.

If you knew anything about WW 2 other than what Hollywood propagandists have poured into your head, you would know that it was Churchill who wanted war with Germany, not all of Britain.

Remember:

“Winston Churchill: "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)”

The history truth about WWII you should know!​

"Winston Churchill: We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not. - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast) Germany becomes too powerful. We have to crush it. - Winston Churchill (November 1936 to US-General Robert E. Wood) Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2…"

lorddreadnought.livejournal.com



Finally, just because you are ignorant about Stalin's plan to invade Germany, the rest of Europe and more doesn't mean that "M - Day" wasn't a reality.


Read and learn:

"Examining Stalin’s 1941 Plan to Attack Germany"

https://www.agathonlibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Buchanan-Patrick-et-al-Who-Started-World-War-Two-archive.org_.pdf

EXCERPT "This most recent compendium of Russian revisionist writings deepens our understanding of Stalin’s preparations for a military first-strike against Germany in the summer of 1941. The strategic deployment plan, approved by Stalin at a conference on May 15, 1941, with General Staff chief Georgi Zhukov and Defense Commissar Semen Timoshenko, called for a Blitzkrieg:

"Three recurrent terms in the mobilization plan of May 15 confirm the aggressive character of Stalin’s plan. “A sudden strike” (vnyyzapni udar), “forward deployment” (razvertyvaniye), and “offensive war” (nastupatel’naya voyna). Of the 303 [Soviet] divisions assembled on the western front, 172 were assigned to the first wave of attack.

One month was allotted for the total deployment – the period from June 15 to July 15. Mikhail Melitiukhov: “On this basis it appears that the war against Germany would have to have begun in July.”

This anthology also devotes much attention to analyzing Stalin’s speech of May 5, 1941, delivered to graduates of Soviet military academies. In this speech Stalin justified his change of foreign policy in connection with the now decided-upon attack against Germany. From the Communist point of view even a Soviet war of aggression is a “just war” because it serves to expand the “territory of the socialist world” and “to destroy the capitalist world.” CONTINUED

 

[Litwin]

Yes, dummy, I know better than to try to be civil to traitorous Zionist shills and I know that Germany declared war on the US only because it was bound by a treaty with Japan.

Re:


If you knew anything about WW 2 other than what Hollywood propagandists have poured into your head, you would know that it was Churchill who wanted war with Germany, not all of Britain.

Remember:

“Winston Churchill: "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)”

The history truth about WWII you should know!​

"Winston Churchill: We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not. - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast) Germany becomes too powerful. We have to crush it. - Winston Churchill (November 1936 to US-General Robert E. Wood) Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2…"

lorddreadnought.livejournal.com



Finally, just because you are ignorant about Stalin's plan to invade Germany, the rest of Europe and more doesn't mean that "M - Day" wasn't a reality.


Read and learn:

"Examining Stalin’s 1941 Plan to Attack Germany"

https://www.agathonlibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Buchanan-Patrick-et-al-Who-Started-World-War-Two-archive.org_.pdf

EXCERPT "This most recent compendium of Russian revisionist writings deepens our understanding of Stalin’s preparations for a military first-strike against Germany in the summer of 1941. The strategic deployment plan, approved by Stalin at a conference on May 15, 1941, with General Staff chief Georgi Zhukov and Defense Commissar Semen Timoshenko, called for a Blitzkrieg:

"Three recurrent terms in the mobilization plan of May 15 confirm the aggressive character of Stalin’s plan. “A sudden strike” (vnyyzapni udar), “forward deployment” (razvertyvaniye), and “offensive war” (nastupatel’naya voyna). Of the 303 [Soviet] divisions assembled on the western front, 172 were assigned to the first wave of attack.

One month was allotted for the total deployment – the period from June 15 to July 15. Mikhail Melitiukhov: “On this basis it appears that the war against Germany would have to have begun in July.”

This anthology also devotes much attention to analyzing Stalin’s speech of May 5, 1941, delivered to graduates of Soviet military academies. In this speech Stalin justified his change of foreign policy in connection with the now decided-upon attack against Germany. From the Communist point of view even a Soviet war of aggression is a “just war” because it serves to expand the “territory of the socialist world” and “to destroy the capitalist world.” CONTINUED

interesting, but always remember Bolshevik Stalin has stared WW2 (NOT Hitler or Churchill)