Wisconsin Official Instructs Staff Not To Mention Free IDs For Voting

[Conservative]

The left would rather not anyone have an ID to vote so they can vote numerous times for the dumb shit pf a president we have in office!!

have you ever voted?

every where i have voted, they require that you give them your name, your home address, and the party affiliation you are registered under, and they check you off an approved register voter list....as you walk in to vote.

exactly how does a person easily vote multiple times?

hypothetical...

My neighbor and I go at it about politics. We argue, cuss, etc.

He then decides to show me who is boss, by going to my local polling place, telling them he is me, signing my name, and votes in my place. Since no ID is required in PA, and no one at the polling station knows him or me, done deal.

I go to vote later that day, and guess what? I apparently already voted! Now, MY real vote cannot be counted, as it appears to have already taken place.

You know what would prevent that from happening?

A good VOTER ID LAW... like the ones in various states, and the ones the SCOTUS already found constitutional and NOT a poll tax.

 

[Care4all]

The left would rather not anyone have an ID to vote so they can vote numerous times for the dumb shit pf a president we have in office!!

have you ever voted?

every where i have voted, they require that you give them your name, your home address, and the party affiliation you are registered under, and they check you off an approved register voter list....as you walk in to vote.

exactly how does a person easily vote multiple times?

hypothetical...

My neighbor and I go at it about politics. We argue, cuss, etc.

He then decides to show me who is boss, by going to my local polling place, telling them he is me, signing my name, and votes in my place. Since no ID is required in PA, and no one at the polling station knows him or me, done deal.

I go to vote later that day, and guess what? I apparently already voted! Now, MY real vote cannot be counted, as it appears to have already taken place.

You know what would prevent that from happening?

A good VOTER ID LAW... like the ones in various states, and the ones the SCOTUS already found constitutional and NOT a poll tax.

the problem with your scenario is that it just does not happen....otherwise the voter fraud would be recorded and on record of happening. and there just is not hundreds or thousands or even 10 of these cases that have happened over the hundreds of years and hundreds of millions who have voted over the years....it just does not exist!

primarily because you or the vote frauder, does not know that the person they are voting in the place of, does not know the person working at the poll....and does not know whether you had gone in earlier and voted already, by the time they got there, or voted one of the previous days, if you had early voting in your state.

AND as i had mentioned to you earlier C, the SC ruled requiring Photo id was constitutional IF they were not required to pay for the voter id, which avoids it being a poll tax....is my understanding of their ruling.

care

a person trying to cheat, knows better.....they would go the absentee voter route!

 

[freedombecki]

Good find jose

the republican party just keep outing itself as the anti democracy party

Not really. If a person picks up 30 free ids and uses each one to vote in the same election, it's fraud.

Free ids lead to more fraud than is already being committed.

Links to voter fraud please...come on, you can do it.

Hack.

Well, believe it or not, Zona, I'm an American citizen, and a few years ago, I posted on a board hosted by Time, Inc. One evening I ran into a liberal gabfest, and each was bragging how in the preceding election they had voted between 20 and 30 times apiece in their various precincts. One poster said he was a precinct chairperson and had personally voted 30 times under different aliases. The next morning I went back to print out what they said, but they had deleted the entire conversation.

It left the distinct impression on me that a lot of voter fraud was going on in their sundry states. Those things were said 12 - 15 years ago. Time, Inc. closed their Pathfinder Board down a couple of years later. I'm sure there is no way to link it, and it wouldn't matter because of the amount of deletions that were made on a constant basis to prevent the editors from knowing what they were up to.

But I know. And in 2008, there were upward of 30 lawsuits against precincts which had egregious voter anomalies coming from none other than ACORN.

Some of those voter irregularities and lawsuits are at this linked location. Another RICO lawsuit is discussed at this linked location.

Plaintiffs Jennifer Miller of Mason, Ohio and Kimberly Grant of Loveland, allege that ACORN’s actions deprive them of the right to participate in an honest and effective elections process. They allege fraudulent voter registrations submitted by ACORN dilute the votes of legally registered voters.
​

Have a thoughtful evening. It's too bad some people think they're so important that they can vote 30 times because someone gave them a position of trust that is abused. They're out there. They brag about it. Then they try to conceal it from other people, because they know it's not only wrongful to other voters, it is a crime as well, and they are criminals, undeserving of anybody's trust.

 

[Care4all]

It is easy to stop. Discontinue the practice. Alternatively we could require absentee voters to submit a LIVE SCAN fingerprint with the ballot. If it matches, the vote counts. Can't get out of the house to get a fingerprint? Too ******* bad. We have no issue forcing gun owners to jump through all kinds of hoops to exercise their Constitutional rights. Why is voting any different?

is your state that harsh or strict with gun ownership? that's a state problem then, cuz my state is near free as a bird with it!

California is a bear if you want to own a gun: a 10 day waiting period, background checks, education classes, a mandatory gun lock....free education for illegals though!

Maine Gun Laws

Quick Reference

Rifles and Shotguns

• Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
• Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
• Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
• Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

• Permit to purchase handgun? No
• Registration of handguns? No
• Licensing of owners of handguns? No
• Permit to carry handguns? Yes

Purchase

No state permit is required to purchase a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/a/gunlaws_me.htm

 

[Zander]

is your state that harsh or strict with gun ownership? that's a state problem then, cuz my state is near free as a bird with it!

California is a bear if you want to own a gun: a 10 day waiting period, background checks, education classes, a mandatory gun lock....free education for illegals though!

Maine Gun Laws

Quick Reference

Rifles and Shotguns

• Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
• Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
• Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
• Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

• Permit to purchase handgun? No
• Registration of handguns? No
• Licensing of owners of handguns? No
• Permit to carry handguns? Yes

Purchase

No state permit is required to purchase a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

Maine Gun Laws - What are the Gun Laws in Maine?

Nice!

 

[Care4all]

California is a bear if you want to own a gun: a 10 day waiting period, background checks, education classes, a mandatory gun lock....free education for illegals though!

Maine Gun Laws

Quick Reference

Rifles and Shotguns

• Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
• Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
• Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
• Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

• Permit to purchase handgun? No
• Registration of handguns? No
• Licensing of owners of handguns? No
• Permit to carry handguns? Yes

Purchase

No state permit is required to purchase a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

Maine Gun Laws - What are the Gun Laws in Maine?

Nice!

we don't have much crime here either....i think we rank, 48th or 49th on crime out of all the states!

most people own guns for hunting here, so most homes have a shotgun or rifle by the kitchen table ...kids can hunt at 11 yrs old here, as long as they take a state safety course for kids....

it's so different, compared to other states that i have lived in! And I really like it! just can't thank the Lord enough for getting us here....it was a wish, that we thought would never come true! but it did, so i rejoice!

 

[Texanmike]

Good find jose


the republican party just keep outing itself as the anti democracy party

Count me as anti-democracy (but not a republican) then. If voting isn't important enough to you to save a whopping $28 I don't know that you need to be voting.

Mike

 

[Care4all]

Good find jose


the republican party just keep outing itself as the anti democracy party

Count me as anti-democracy (but not a republican) then. If voting isn't important enough to you to save a whopping $28 I don't know that you need to be voting.

Mike

no, that would be considered a POLL TAX and against the Law of the land mike!

 

[Care4all]

Not really. If a person picks up 30 free ids and uses each one to vote in the same election, it's fraud.

Free ids lead to more fraud than is already being committed.

Links to voter fraud please...come on, you can do it.

Hack.

Well, believe it or not, Zona, I'm an American citizen, and a few years ago, I posted on a board hosted by Time, Inc. One evening I ran into a liberal gabfest, and each was bragging how in the preceding election they had voted between 20 and 30 times apiece in their various precincts. One poster said he was a precinct chairperson and had personally voted 30 times under different aliases. The next morning I went back to print out what they said, but they had deleted the entire conversation.

It left the distinct impression on me that a lot of voter fraud was going on in their sundry states. Those things were said 12 - 15 years ago. Time, Inc. closed their Pathfinder Board down a couple of years later. I'm sure there is no way to link it, and it wouldn't matter because of the amount of deletions that were made on a constant basis to prevent the editors from knowing what they were up to.

But I know. And in 2008, there were upward of 30 lawsuits against precincts which had egregious voter anomalies coming from none other than ACORN.

Some of those voter irregularities and lawsuits are at this linked location. Another RICO lawsuit is discussed at this linked location.

Plaintiffs Jennifer Miller of Mason, Ohio and Kimberly Grant of Loveland, allege that ACORN’s actions deprive them of the right to participate in an honest and effective elections process. They allege fraudulent voter registrations submitted by ACORN dilute the votes of legally registered voters.
​

Have a thoughtful evening. It's too bad some people think they're so important that they can vote 30 times because someone gave them a position of trust that is abused. They're out there. They brag about it. Then they try to conceal it from other people, because they know it's not only wrongful to other voters, it is a crime as well, and they are criminals, undeserving of anybody's trust.

well, it's 2011, do you know if any of these 30 lawsuits won theirr cases?

you misunderstand what happened with acorn.....none of the mickey mouses or donald ducks or the thousands across our country being reported that Acorn members got to fraudulently register to vote, made it through the State's verification and vetting process, so none of them were ever legally processed by the States....which means NONE OF THEM were ever registered by the state so none of them ever got to cast a vote!

Acorn employees were charged with voter registration fraud, NOT voter fraud.

I doubt any of the lawsuits claiming supposed disenfranchisement through dilution of their votes, won their cases because the state and acorn itself, caught the registration fraud by the acorn workers, before the registrants were processed.

 

[Zander]

Maine Gun Laws

Quick Reference

Rifles and Shotguns

• Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
• Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
• Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
• Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

• Permit to purchase handgun? No
• Registration of handguns? No
• Licensing of owners of handguns? No
• Permit to carry handguns? Yes

Purchase

No state permit is required to purchase a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

Maine Gun Laws - What are the Gun Laws in Maine?

Nice!

we don't have much crime here either....i think we rank, 48th or 49th on crime out of all the states!

most people own guns for hunting here, so most homes have a shotgun or rifle by the kitchen table ...kids can hunt at 11 yrs old here, as long as they take a state safety course for kids....

it's so different, compared to other states that i have lived in! And I really like it! just can't thank the Lord enough for getting us here....it was a wish, that we thought would never come true! but it did, so i rejoice!

I love it "down east". My wife is from Boston and we've vacationed in Maine numerous times. We fell in love with Acadia National Park......can't wait to come back again!

 

[Care4all]

Nice!

we don't have much crime here either....i think we rank, 48th or 49th on crime out of all the states!

most people own guns for hunting here, so most homes have a shotgun or rifle by the kitchen table ...kids can hunt at 11 yrs old here, as long as they take a state safety course for kids....

it's so different, compared to other states that i have lived in! And I really like it! just can't thank the Lord enough for getting us here....it was a wish, that we thought would never come true! but it did, so i rejoice!

I love it "down east". My wife is from Boston and we've vacationed in Maine numerous times. We fell in love with Acadia National Park......can't wait to come back again!

that's where I live, right near the park as a crow flies, but across a bay! It is beautiful....and when we lived in massachusetts, we vacationed in maine as well...every labor day weekend with friends and other summer trips at varying times....we finally made the leap out of the massachusetts fast lane, a few years ago, and have not looked back!

 

[Conservative]

have you ever voted?

every where i have voted, they require that you give them your name, your home address, and the party affiliation you are registered under, and they check you off an approved register voter list....as you walk in to vote.

exactly how does a person easily vote multiple times?

hypothetical...

My neighbor and I go at it about politics. We argue, cuss, etc.

He then decides to show me who is boss, by going to my local polling place, telling them he is me, signing my name, and votes in my place. Since no ID is required in PA, and no one at the polling station knows him or me, done deal.

I go to vote later that day, and guess what? I apparently already voted! Now, MY real vote cannot be counted, as it appears to have already taken place.

You know what would prevent that from happening?

A good VOTER ID LAW... like the ones in various states, and the ones the SCOTUS already found constitutional and NOT a poll tax.

the problem with your scenario is that it just does not happen....otherwise the voter fraud would be recorded and on record of happening. and there just is not hundreds or thousands or even 10 of these cases that have happened over the hundreds of years and hundreds of millions who have voted over the years....it just does not exist!

primarily because you or the vote frauder, does not know that the person they are voting in the place of, does not know the person working at the poll....and does not know whether you had gone in earlier and voted already, by the time they got there, or voted one of the previous days, if you had early voting in your state.

AND as i had mentioned to you earlier C, the SC ruled requiring Photo id was constitutional IF they were not required to pay for the voter id, which avoids it being a poll tax....is my understanding of their ruling.

care

a person trying to cheat, knows better.....they would go the absentee voter route!

Neither did 9/11... until it did.

Here is a link to the SCOTUS decision on the Indiana voter ID law

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=07-21&friend=nytimes
The only mentions of costs concerns, is in the dissenting opinion. Nothing in the opinion mentions 'constitutional IF they were not required to pay for the voter id'.

I can look up the text of the SC ruling if you wish.

EDIT: the SC law has not gone to SCOTUS.

It is currently 'on hold'...
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/08/31/308619/justice-department-puts-hold-on-south-carolina-voter-id-law/

South Carolina’s new voter ID law will be on hold until the state can provide more information to the federal Department of Justice, which says it needs more specifics to ensure that the new law doesn’t disenfranchise voters. [...]

In a letter to the attorney general, the voting rights chief asked questions including how many registered voters don’t have a state driver’s license or ID and how they will be notified of the new law’s requirements, what types of evidence will be accepted to prove a voter’s identity and how those who can’t reasonably secure an ID will still be allowed to vote.

All perfectly valid concerns. I assume that SC will properly address them, at which point the Justice Dept. will decide on lifting the hold.

Under Section Five of Voting Rights Act (VRA), southern states like South Carolina must have election laws pre-cleared, meaning the laws cannot take effect until the Justice Department approves them on grounds that they will not discriminate against minority voters.

 

[Care4all]

hypothetical...

My neighbor and I go at it about politics. We argue, cuss, etc.

He then decides to show me who is boss, by going to my local polling place, telling them he is me, signing my name, and votes in my place. Since no ID is required in PA, and no one at the polling station knows him or me, done deal.

I go to vote later that day, and guess what? I apparently already voted! Now, MY real vote cannot be counted, as it appears to have already taken place.

You know what would prevent that from happening?

A good VOTER ID LAW... like the ones in various states, and the ones the SCOTUS already found constitutional and NOT a poll tax.

the problem with your scenario is that it just does not happen....otherwise the voter fraud would be recorded and on record of happening. and there just is not hundreds or thousands or even 10 of these cases that have happened over the hundreds of years and hundreds of millions who have voted over the years....it just does not exist!

primarily because you or the vote frauder, does not know that the person they are voting in the place of, does not know the person working at the poll....and does not know whether you had gone in earlier and voted already, by the time they got there, or voted one of the previous days, if you had early voting in your state.

AND as i had mentioned to you earlier C, the SC ruled requiring Photo id was constitutional IF they were not required to pay for the voter id, which avoids it being a poll tax....is my understanding of their ruling.

care

a person trying to cheat, knows better.....they would go the absentee voter route!

Neither did 9/11... until it did.

Here is a link to the SCOTUS decision on the Indiana voter ID law

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=07-21&friend=nytimes
The only mentions of costs concerns, is in the dissenting opinion. Nothing in the opinion mentions 'constitutional IF they were not required to pay for the voter id'.

I can look up the text of the SC ruling if you wish.

EDIT: the SC law has not gone to SCOTUS.

It is currently 'on hold'...
Justice Department Puts Hold On South Carolina Voter ID Law | ThinkProgress

South Carolina’s new voter ID law will be on hold until the state can provide more information to the federal Department of Justice, which says it needs more specifics to ensure that the new law doesn’t disenfranchise voters. [...]

In a letter to the attorney general, the voting rights chief asked questions including how many registered voters don’t have a state driver’s license or ID and how they will be notified of the new law’s requirements, what types of evidence will be accepted to prove a voter’s identity and how those who can’t reasonably secure an ID will still be allowed to vote.

All perfectly valid concerns. I assume that SC will properly address them, at which point the Justice Dept. will decide on lifting the hold.

Under Section Five of Voting Rights Act (VRA), southern states like South Carolina must have election laws pre-cleared, meaning the laws cannot take effect until the Justice Department approves them on grounds that they will not discriminate against minority voters.

oh yes they did mention it Conservative!

look here, from your link above:

(c) The relevant burdens here are those imposed on eligible voters who lack photo identification cards that comply with SEA 483. Because Indiana's cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters' right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting

 

[Texanmike]

Good find jose


the republican party just keep outing itself as the anti democracy party

Count me as anti-democracy (but not a republican) then. If voting isn't important enough to you to save a whopping $28 I don't know that you need to be voting.

Mike

no, that would be considered a POLL TAX and against the Law of the land mike!

That's a reach. Spare me the "SC has said"... It isn't something that everyone doesn't need. It is like saying that it is a poll tax to expect someone to wear clothes to vote. Just put us out of our misery and end it so we can start over wit common sense.

Mike

 

[Conservative]

the problem with your scenario is that it just does not happen....otherwise the voter fraud would be recorded and on record of happening. and there just is not hundreds or thousands or even 10 of these cases that have happened over the hundreds of years and hundreds of millions who have voted over the years....it just does not exist!

primarily because you or the vote frauder, does not know that the person they are voting in the place of, does not know the person working at the poll....and does not know whether you had gone in earlier and voted already, by the time they got there, or voted one of the previous days, if you had early voting in your state.

AND as i had mentioned to you earlier C, the SC ruled requiring Photo id was constitutional IF they were not required to pay for the voter id, which avoids it being a poll tax....is my understanding of their ruling.

care

a person trying to cheat, knows better.....they would go the absentee voter route!

Neither did 9/11... until it did.

Here is a link to the SCOTUS decision on the Indiana voter ID law

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=07-21&friend=nytimes
The only mentions of costs concerns, is in the dissenting opinion. Nothing in the opinion mentions 'constitutional IF they were not required to pay for the voter id'.

I can look up the text of the SC ruling if you wish.

EDIT: the SC law has not gone to SCOTUS.

It is currently 'on hold'...
Justice Department Puts Hold On South Carolina Voter ID Law | ThinkProgress
All perfectly valid concerns. I assume that SC will properly address them, at which point the Justice Dept. will decide on lifting the hold.

Under Section Five of Voting Rights Act (VRA), southern states like South Carolina must have election laws pre-cleared, meaning the laws cannot take effect until the Justice Department approves them on grounds that they will not discriminate against minority voters.

oh yes they did mention it Conservative!

look here, from your link above:

(c) The relevant burdens here are those imposed on eligible voters who lack photo identification cards that comply with SEA 483. Because Indiana's cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters' right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting

sorry, missed that. I searched for the word 'cost'..Here is that whole paragraph...

The relevant burdens here are those imposed on eligible voters who lack photo identification cards that comply with SEA 483. Because Indiana's cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters' right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting. The severity of the somewhat heavier burden that may be placed on a limited number of persons--e.g., elderly persons born out-of-state, who may have difficulty obtaining a birth certificate--is mitigated by the fact that eligible voters without photo identification may cast provisional ballots that will be counted if they execute the required affidavit at the circuit court clerk's office. Even assuming that the burden may not be justified as to a few voters, that conclusion is by no means sufficient to establish petitioners' right to the relief they seek.

It would appear that the court felt any cost is mitigated by the fact that even without the ID, a provisional ballot can be cast, and would be counted if the proper affidavit is filed (without cost I would imagine).

 

[Care4all]

Count me as anti-democracy (but not a republican) then. If voting isn't important enough to you to save a whopping $28 I don't know that you need to be voting.

Mike

no, that would be considered a POLL TAX and against the Law of the land mike!

That's a reach. Spare me the "SC has said"... It isn't something that everyone doesn't need. It is like saying that it is a poll tax to expect someone to wear clothes to vote. Just put us out of our misery and end it so we can start over wit common sense.

Mike

knock yourself out, tex!

it is not a reach, it's been the issue all along....

 

[OODA_Loop]

Republicans are more organized, better financed and from the posts here highly effective and capable of all manner of fraud and other nefarious acts.

Do you think for a second they can't use "no ID" voting to impose the Koch's and Grover Norquists will ?

Want to drive, get medical care, bank, gain employment, pick up your kids fom school ? VOTE ?

Bring your farkin ID. Sheesh.

 

[Texanmike]

no, that would be considered a POLL TAX and against the Law of the land mike!

That's a reach. Spare me the "SC has said"... It isn't something that everyone doesn't need. It is like saying that it is a poll tax to expect someone to wear clothes to vote. Just put us out of our misery and end it so we can start over wit common sense.

Mike

knock yourself out, tex!

it is not a reach, it's been the issue all along....

Well of course its the issue. We have to examine every action to see if there is some way in which it may be unfair to the smallest number of people. The fact that it has been an issue doesn't mean its not a reach.

How many people do you know who don't have an ID? It is not a poll tax. In order for it to be a tax it should put an unusual burden on someone. Why should you be able to demand a free ID so you can exercise your right to vote. God this country is so ****ed up. We really are close to the end when any measurable amount of the population can't figure out that it is to their advantage to save the money to vote. Seriously, the fact that you are making the argument that having an ID to vote is a poll tax makes me wonder if its already too late. I am starting to think there is no hope for this country, we will collapse from the inside.

Mike

 

[Seawytch]

He then decides to show me who is boss, by going to my local polling place, telling them he is me, signing my name, and votes in my place. Since no ID is required in PA, and no one at the polling station knows him or me, done deal.

I go to vote later that day, and guess what? I apparently already voted! Now, MY real vote cannot be counted, as it appears to have already taken place.

You know what would prevent that from happening?

A good VOTER ID LAW... like the ones in various states, and the ones the SCOTUS already found constitutional and NOT a poll tax.

What stops you from speeding on the freeway? Why don't we just put governors in all cars so they won't be allowed to go over the speed limit?

Voter fraud usually carries a stiff penalty...fines, jail time and disenfranchisement.

The SCOTUS ruling on Voter ID laws left it open to challenge...especially if the laws become too restrictive or there is evidence of voter disenfranchisement.

If you are disenfranchising 10 voters for every one instance of voter fraud, is it worth it?

 

[grunt11b]

Good find jose


the republican party just keep outing itself as the anti democracy party

And The Dem party is pro democracy right? By trying to get illegals to vote, voter fraud through acorn, etc etc etc.