Wind and solar in Texas

[Old Rocks]

Texas is the leading state in the development and use of wind and solar. However, much to the detriment of the average Texan consumer, Trump's war against renewables is going to cost them more for their electricity. The rural Texans will be the worst affected. The Texas free market approach, which Adam Smith would have very much approved, has resulted in cheap electricity for Texans. Yet it is the GOP and the Trumpanzees that are trying to destroy that, because Trump does not like renewables. A blind cult following a blind cult leader.

 

[Hafar1014]

Texas is the leading state in the development and use of wind and solar. However, much to the detriment of the average Texan consumer, Trump's war against renewables is going to cost them more for their electricity. The rural Texans will be the worst affected. The Texas free market approach, which Adam Smith would have very much approved, has resulted in cheap electricity for Texans. Yet it is the GOP and the Trumpanzees that are trying to destroy that, because Trump does not like renewables. A blind cult following a blind cult leader.

Wind and solar increase the cost and decrease supply which will create an energy shortage catastrophe. They are heavily subsidized by taxes to offset the costs. Trump just saved Texas from an energy disaster. Green energy cant meet the demand of AI. Texas will now be forced to use more fossil fuels and nuclear power.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Texas is the leading state in the development and use of wind and solar. However, much to the detriment of the average Texan consumer, Trump's war against renewables is going to cost them more for their electricity. The rural Texans will be the worst affected. The Texas free market approach, which Adam Smith would have very much approved, has resulted in cheap electricity for Texans. Yet it is the GOP and the Trumpanzees that are trying to destroy that, because Trump does not like renewables. A blind cult following a blind cult leader.

If a private company is investing in renewable energy I don't think Trump has been critical. He isn't a fan of wind power because of the eye sore.and death of birds but regardless.

 

[Hafar1014]

If a private company is investing in renewable energy I don't think Trump has been critical. He isn't a fan of wind power because of the eye sore.and death of birds but regardless.

Trump opposes wind turbines as he should. They are the worst way to generate energy. They cost too much, last 10 years not long enough to recover the costs, put carbon fibers in the air take deep breath, kill birds and fish, are ugly as hell, need costly back up, and cant come close to meet the future demand. They are being canceled all over the country the rest will be in the trash in 10 years as they fall apart

 

[1srelluc]

Yet a ice storm put them out of action......TX runs roughshod over it's citizens with the use of eminent domain to take land for transmission lines.....TX is the least free of the "free states".

 

[Maxdeath]

Texas is the leading state in the development and use of wind and solar. However, much to the detriment of the average Texan consumer, Trump's war against renewables is going to cost them more for their electricity. The rural Texans will be the worst affected. The Texas free market approach, which Adam Smith would have very much approved, has resulted in cheap electricity for Texans. Yet it is the GOP and the Trumpanzees that are trying to destroy that, because Trump does not like renewables. A blind cult following a blind cult leader.

Look I get it you hate Trump. I do not really like him but he is better then the other two choices the democrats put forth. Wind is alright as long as you have wind. Solar works but it takes up a lot of area. It is nice to do something that you do not see smoke stacks but in the long run it is just as harmful to the environment and in some cares worse.
Bidens administration wanted to do away with fossil fuels but had no idea how to replace them. Even Texas realizes it can not run solely on so called green energy. All you have to do is look back on the last major freeze Texas had. They needed to use more natural gas to keep up with electrical demand. Those gas pipes froze because of the cold and so much demand.
While it is nice to pretend that so called green energy is good it is just as harmful as any other. Until we learn how to use fusion energy we are stuck with making decisions on how we want to harm the environment and where. Or we could go back to less technology

 

[ding]

much to the detriment of the average Texan consumer, Trump's war against renewables is going to cost them more for their electricity.

How so?

 

[eagle1462010]

Texas is the leading state in the development and use of wind and solar. However, much to the detriment of the average Texan consumer, Trump's war against renewables is going to cost them more for their electricity. The rural Texans will be the worst affected. The Texas free market approach, which Adam Smith would have very much approved, has resulted in cheap electricity for Texans. Yet it is the GOP and the Trumpanzees that are trying to destroy that, because Trump does not like renewables. A blind cult following a blind cult leader.

If it cant stand on its on then it shouldnt have been pushed.

Reliance on Govt money proves WHAT?????

 

[Old Rocks]

Wind and solar increase the cost and decrease supply which will create an energy shortage catastrophe. They are heavily subsidized by taxes to offset the costs. Trump just saved Texas from an energy disaster. Green energy cant meet the demand of AI. Texas will now be forced to use more fossil fuels and nuclear power.

LOL That is kind of a dumb thing to say. You see, Texas is right now building a huge solar farm for data centers;

 

[Old Rocks]

If it cant stand on its on then it shouldnt have been pushed.

Reliance on Govt money proves WHAT?????

Yet you support the government subsidies for fossil fuels. A bit on the hypocritical side aren't you.

 

[petro]

The problem isn't neccessary wind, solar, or even storage of power.
The problem is lack of transmission lines to large population centers, and ironically environmentalists fight tooth and nail any attempt to run new lines with court injunctions, environmental studies, right of way, etc.
Took years in northern MN to run a much needed high voltage line as towns and Indian tribes fought to keep the transmission lines from crossing certain areas.
Most of our current system is outdated and in need of investment, definitely not capable of further demand on the infrastructure.

Don't forget that turbine's and solar use petroleum products and have a limited life, and also have a cost to the environment.
Wind turbines use a fuckload of oil for lubrication.
Both are built with toxic chemicals and heavy metals, and old turbines end up in landfills.

Miles of solar fields replacing farm land between St. Cloud and Mpls.
A complete dead zone for wildlife now, an eyesore, and land no longer available for food production.
Deer, predatory and game birds forced into ever smaller areas.
How efficient are they when covered in snow 4 months out of the year with shorter days and a very low sun angle?

 

[Hafar1014]

LOL That is kind of a dumb thing to say. You see, Texas is right now building a huge solar farm for data centers;

Without the subsidies the costs will skyrocket and Trump has stopped all subsidies. So tell me how will this solar farm, work at night? Where will the energy come from? They will have to buy surplus from other states at high cost. That will make them unable to compete. Want to bet they wont finish the project.
Amazon just bought an old nuclear power plant.

 

[Old Rocks]

Without the subsidies the costs will skyrocket and Trump has stopped all subsidies. So tell me how will this solar farm, work at night? Where will the energy come from? They will have to buy surplus from other states at high cost. That will make them unable to compete. Want to bet they wont finish the project.
Amazon just bought an old nuclear power plant.

Another dummkopf still thinking in terms of 1950 technology. We have multiple ways of storing electricity generated by renewables. And the unsubsidized cost of solar and wind is far lower than that of fossil fuel generators, far, far below that of nuclear.
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Key Findings from the 2023 LCOE Report​

1. Cost Competitiveness: The report indicates that utility-scale solar and onshore wind are the least expensive forms of new electricity generation. This trend persists even when not accounting for tax credits or subsidies.
   
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2. LCOE Trends: Lazard's analysis shows a continued decline in the levelized costs for best-in-class renewable generation technologies. This decline is attributed to economies of scale and advancements in technology, making renewables increasingly competitive against traditional fossil fuels.
   
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3. Energy Storage Systems: The report emphasizes the growing value and understanding of Energy Storage Systems (ESS), which are becoming more integrated into energy markets as grid operators recognize their importance.
   
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4. Hydrogen Production: The report also discusses hydrogen production methods, noting that while most hydrogen is currently produced from fossil fuels, there are various processes available to produce hydrogen from renewable sources, which are at different stages of commercial viability.
   
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5. Market Implications: The findings suggest that companies capable of leveraging supply chain efficiencies will continue to lead in the development of new renewable assets, potentially leading to further consolidation in the energy sector.
   
   https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/34-%20Exh.%20FF-%20Lazard%27s.pdf
   
   
   
   
   
   
   Overall, Lazard's 2023 LCOE report reinforces the trend of declining costs for renewable energy technologies, highlighting their increasing role in the transition to a more sustainable energy future.

 

[Old Rocks]

The problem isn't neccessary wind, solar, or even storage of power.
The problem is lack of transmission lines to large population centers, and ironically environmentalists fight tooth and nail any attempt to run new lines with court injunctions, environmental studies, right of way, etc.
Took years in northern MN to run a much needed high voltage line as towns and Indian tribes fought to keep the transmission lines from crossing certain areas.
Most of our current system is outdated and in need of investment, definitely not capable of further demand on the infrastructure.

Don't forget that turbine's and solar use petroleum products and have a limited life, and also have a cost to the environment.
Wind turbines use a fuckload of oil for lubrication.
Both are built with toxic chemicals and heavy metals, and old turbines end up in landfills.

Miles of solar fields replacing farm land between St. Cloud and Mpls.
A complete dead zone for wildlife now, an eyesore, and land no longer available for food production.
Deer, predatory and game birds forced into ever smaller areas.
How efficient are they when covered in snow 4 months out of the year with shorter days and a very low sun angle?

Using existing technology by replacing the current conductors with more efficient ones, we could double the carrying capacity of the present grid. The Supreme Court has OK'd eminent domain for tax purposes, so why are we not using that for the right of ways for energy transmission? Also, enough parking lots in the US to cover about a third of our present energy use were we to put solar there.

 

[Hafar1014]

Another dummkopf still thinking in terms of 1950 technology. We have multiple ways of storing electricity generated by renewables. And the unsubsidized cost of solar and wind is far lower than that of fossil fuel generators, far, far below that of nuclear.
ies.

Key Findings from the 2023 LCOE Report​

1. Cost Competitiveness: The report indicates that utility-scale solar and onshore wind are the least expensive forms of new electricity generation. This trend persists even when not accounting for tax credits or subsidies.
   
   2
2. LCOE Trends: Lazard's analysis shows a continued decline in the levelized costs for best-in-class renewable generation technologies. This decline is attributed to economies of scale and advancements in technology, making renewables increasingly competitive against traditional fossil fuels.
   
   1
3. Energy Storage Systems: The report emphasizes the growing value and understanding of Energy Storage Systems (ESS), which are becoming more integrated into energy markets as grid operators recognize their importance.
   
   1
4. Hydrogen Production: The report also discusses hydrogen production methods, noting that while most hydrogen is currently produced from fossil fuels, there are various processes available to produce hydrogen from renewable sources, which are at different stages of commercial viability.
   
   1
5. Market Implications: The findings suggest that companies capable of leveraging supply chain efficiencies will continue to lead in the development of new renewable assets, potentially leading to further consolidation in the energy sector.
   
   https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/34-%20Exh.%20FF-%20Lazard%27s.pdf
   
   
   
   
   
   
   Overall, Lazard's 2023 LCOE report reinforces the trend of declining costs for renewable energy technologies, highlighting their increasing role in the transition to a more sustainable energy future.

Renewables require storage thats another cost, they need to buy surplus when the wind stops and the sun goes down, another cost, the construction cost is high. Take away the tax subsidies more costs. They cost so much the government has to support them with your money.

Add it all up. LNG and nuclear are far less costly, dont need back up or storage or tax subsidies. Nuclear lasts 80 years. Wind turbines last 10 years that means they will have to charge more to cover the cost.

 

[ding]

replacing the current conductors with more efficient ones, we could double the carrying capacity of the present grid

Replacing all wires with more conductive wires saves about half the cost of building new lines with more conductive wires but adding new lines with more conductive wiring in addition to the existing lines will have a minimal disruption of service.

 

[Old Rocks]

If a private company is investing in renewable energy I don't think Trump has been critical. He isn't a fan of wind power because of the eye sore.and death of birds but regardless.

Eye sore? This is uglier;

Than this;

Or this;

 

[Old Rocks]

Replacing all wires with more conductive wires saves about half the cost of building new lines with more conductive wires but adding new lines with more conductive wiring in addition to the existing lines will have a minimal disruption of service.

True enough, but we can actually do both. Put in the new lines at over capacity, then shut down and replace the old lines in sequence.

 

[ding]

True enough, but we can actually do both. Put in the new lines at over capacity, then shut down and replace the old lines in sequence.

There’s no reason to shut down old lines.

 

[Old Rocks]

There’s no reason to shut down old lines.

When they can be replaced with lines capable of carrying a much larger load with less energy loss, every reason in the world. It is not only that we need more power, we also need more distribution capacity. I fail to see why you are so against upgrading our grid.