Now, you're talking about bush? Clinton left bush with a recession.
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William J. Clinton Presidency
- Thread starter Campbell
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Now, you're talking about bush? Clinton left bush with a recession.
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Most of Clinton's accomplishments occurred after the Republican Congress came in 1994. He worked with them not against them. Just like Reagan did with the Democrat Congress.
But the Republican Congress were not like the shower today in comparison. There was no Tea Party. The biggest reason Clinton went so well is he get involve with needless large scale ground wars...
Clinton also did not usurp Congress unlike today.
Billy_Kinetta
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He also stayed out of the way of IT expansion, an expansion that had nothing to do with him.
"We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009."
Ri-iiiiiiight.
As to a surplus, a surplus is money in the pocket, not a chart with 10-year speculation.
You Republicans just don't get it. When George W. Bush cut tax rates for the rich twice, 2001 and 2003 the idea of ever paying off the national debt became a no brainer. Do you really believe you're smart enough to vote?
..............................................Total U S Debt................................................
Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt
US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?
09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
Your jealousy of the rich is palpable. Put your hands in your own pockets, please.
Keep in mind that Obama has nearly doubled the debt he started with. You people are so phony.
Cambell, I won't even attack some of the things that you have posted that are questionable. Instead, I will remind you that back when Clinton/Reagan/Bush I were in office, it HAD to be a total collaboration between government entities (executive branch/congress) to get things done. This pen and phone crapola is something that is a modern way of doing business, and you see where that got us.
To learn what Clinton WOULD have done under the same expansionist rules that Obama has made a "normal" way of doing business in today's oval office, all one has to do is look back and see what democratic legislation was DEFEATED instead of what was passed.
One that instantly comes to mind is Hillarycare, but there was a host of other initiatives that were stand alone that were blocked.
And so, just as the Democrats negotiated with Reagan and got us back on track, so did the Clinton administration negotiate with the Republicans. The refrain in those days from the citizenry was, "we like gridlock," remember! That was certainly because we had found a relative sweet spot, and the populace didn't want either side of the aisle screwing it up! See, the American citizen is smarter than you think! They know when it is good, bad, or ugly.
Let me finish by saying that I made more money and felt safer as an American under Reagan and Clinton, than any time in my life. (adjusted for inflation of course) While the politicians back then were probably just as partisan and crooked as they are today, they were FORCED to work together to accomplish the goals of this country by the constitution. In doing so, neither side could send us of the rails to far in one direction or the other for fear that they would screw themselves, and their party, for a very, very, long time.
We then elected GW and he screwed the pooch, oh yes he did! Because of him and a bunch of idiotic rinos he started the ball rolling to where we are today. Were it not for GW, we would never have had an Obama. The American public seen the pendulum swing to far in the rinos favor and what it caused, so did a course correction and went the other way.
In 2010. the American public seen that didn't work either, so they attempted to go back to gridlock to stop the bleeding. Didn't stop the bleeding, so in 12 they tried to stop it more, same with 14, and we got the pen and phone mantra, basically over riding the will of the American people.
This is exactly why we need a constitutionalist to stop this craziness. It is also why I am leery of Trump, because to me, he is no more than another Obama. My way, or the highway! We don't need someone to impose their will on us, we need someone who will allow us to impose OUR will upon Washington by our voting preferences, both through the executive branch, and congress. That is what the constitution, and the separation of powers is all about, and why during Reagan and Clinton, our country was so prosperous.
See, I am not really anti left, I just want the next President to throw out all the executive orders Obama put in place, nothing else. The rest? Well, let the peoples house, the senate, and the executive branch work something out, just as the constitution says it should, and mirror what was done under Reagan and Clinton which made us the envy of the world. If we can't agree on that, then we might as well get rid of the congress and vote for a king, or queen.
There is a lot I would agree with you and some responsibility of the Tea Party (with the compromise is bad) for attacking the GOP incumbent. Remember pledge of no tax increase, shutdown....
I know you say Obama has used executive orders a lot but compared to order presidents, he is actually quite low. Everytime he does it there is a uproar from parties who's only vested interest is to see him fail, even if that means the country fail.
The truth is there are a large portion on this board that haven't spent all of their time criticizing Obama, even siding with Putin (war criminal and guilty of genocide)... They have lost all reasoning... They gone team sports and picked a side... They look at unemployment going down and stock market going up and are disappointed because Obama is having a success... That's disgraceful...
Every President of America had good qualities and bad... This painting of your home team president as a saint and the away team president as satin is what is wrong...
Look at the things said about Hillary today by some on this board, truth is we have a fairly good idea what Hillary wants to achieve... 90% same as her husband. Personally I am happy with that... She maybe is not as personable as Bill but we won't get sex scandals either... But the vilification of her and the personal attacks down to her appearance, her marriage,... have been just sad.
You might not like her but that kind of behaviour should be unacceptable and in Europe those kind of attacks usually get blowback from the people(it is the way they vote as well).
I think that what Jeb Bush was trying to elude too, he was amazed that criticizing Hillary was better rewarded than having a plan to deal with real problems. Some of the policies being thrown out sided on the daft.
BULLDOG
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Okay so when Trump takes over he has a two years to blame any debt he does on Obama?You do realize Obama has outspent all presidents in our history combined? After raising taxes?He also stayed out of the way of IT expansion, an expansion that had nothing to do with him.
"We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009."
Ri-iiiiiiight.
As to a surplus, a surplus is money in the pocket, not a chart with 10-year speculation.
You Republicans just don't get it. When George W. Bush cut tax rates for the rich twice, 2001 and 2003 the idea of ever paying off the national debt became a no brainer. Do you really believe you're smart enough to vote?
..............................................Total U S Debt................................................
Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt
US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?
09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
Yeah....nearly two trillion dollars of it has been spent to pay the annual interest on the debt he assumed. You didn't think those foreign banks were loaning that money to Bush interest free did you?
Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
Iceweasel
Diamond Member
Do you mean Satan? No, obama isn't Satan, he's a smug arrogant condescending prick. Which is exactly why the lefties love him. The economy is still limpdicking along because he doesn't understand economics, and probably doesn't care to. What comes first is the agenda. I'll criticize that all day long and don't need/want some idiot's approval on a message board.Every President of America had good qualities and bad... This painting of your home team president as a saint and the away team president as satin is what is wrong...
He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.Okay so when Trump takes over he has a two years to blame any debt he does on Obama?You do realize Obama has outspent all presidents in our history combined? After raising taxes?He also stayed out of the way of IT expansion, an expansion that had nothing to do with him.
"We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009."
Ri-iiiiiiight.
As to a surplus, a surplus is money in the pocket, not a chart with 10-year speculation.
You Republicans just don't get it. When George W. Bush cut tax rates for the rich twice, 2001 and 2003 the idea of ever paying off the national debt became a no brainer. Do you really believe you're smart enough to vote?
..............................................Total U S Debt................................................
Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt
US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?
09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
Yeah....nearly two trillion dollars of it has been spent to pay the annual interest on the debt he assumed. You didn't think those foreign banks were loaning that money to Bush interest free did you?
Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
BULLDOG
Diamond Member
- Jun 3, 2014
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He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.Okay so when Trump takes over he has a two years to blame any debt he does on Obama?You do realize Obama has outspent all presidents in our history combined? After raising taxes?You Republicans just don't get it. When George W. Bush cut tax rates for the rich twice, 2001 and 2003 the idea of ever paying off the national debt became a no brainer. Do you really believe you're smart enough to vote?
..............................................Total U S Debt................................................
Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt
US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?
09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
Yeah....nearly two trillion dollars of it has been spent to pay the annual interest on the debt he assumed. You didn't think those foreign banks were loaning that money to Bush interest free did you?
Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
You hold on to that dream as long as you can,
The FBI is closing in and they say if she isn't prosecuted no politician will be prosecuted. So she has to go. Also Obama has to have a republican to take over, when his economy collapses he can't have a democrat in office. Because then he gets the blame.He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.Okay so when Trump takes over he has a two years to blame any debt he does on Obama?You do realize Obama has outspent all presidents in our history combined? After raising taxes?
Yeah....nearly two trillion dollars of it has been spent to pay the annual interest on the debt he assumed. You didn't think those foreign banks were loaning that money to Bush interest free did you?
Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
You hold on to that dream as long as you can,
BULLDOG
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The FBI is closing in and they say if she isn't prosecuted no politician will be prosecuted. So she has to go. Also Obama has to have a republican to take over, when his economy collapses he can't have a democrat in office. Because then he gets the blame.He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.Okay so when Trump takes over he has a two years to blame any debt he does on Obama?Yeah....nearly two trillion dollars of it has been spent to pay the annual interest on the debt he assumed. You didn't think those foreign banks were loaning that money to Bush interest free did you?
Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
You hold on to that dream as long as you can,
WOW, You really believe that silly shit, don't you?
So why is Hillary campaigning on fixing the problems in our society. The economy and all of our other problems? When Bush ran after Reagan, he said he would continue the success of Reagan's presidency. Why isn't Hillary saying the same about Obama?The FBI is closing in and they say if she isn't prosecuted no politician will be prosecuted. So she has to go. Also Obama has to have a republican to take over, when his economy collapses he can't have a democrat in office. Because then he gets the blame.He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.Okay so when Trump takes over he has a two years to blame any debt he does on Obama?
Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
You hold on to that dream as long as you can,
WOW, You really believe that silly shit, don't you?
BULLDOG
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So why is Hillary campaigning on fixing the problems in our society. The economy and all of our other problems? When Bush ran after Reagan, he said he would continue the success of Reagan's presidency. Why isn't Hillary saying the same about Obama?The FBI is closing in and they say if she isn't prosecuted no politician will be prosecuted. So she has to go. Also Obama has to have a republican to take over, when his economy collapses he can't have a democrat in office. Because then he gets the blame.He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
You hold on to that dream as long as you can,
WOW, You really believe that silly shit, don't you?
What does the silly claim of the FBI closing in have to do with Hillary's campaign strategy? Try to stay on the same subject.
Should I start a forum why isn't Hillary running on Obama's record? Will you then answer the question?So why is Hillary campaigning on fixing the problems in our society. The economy and all of our other problems? When Bush ran after Reagan, he said he would continue the success of Reagan's presidency. Why isn't Hillary saying the same about Obama?The FBI is closing in and they say if she isn't prosecuted no politician will be prosecuted. So she has to go. Also Obama has to have a republican to take over, when his economy collapses he can't have a democrat in office. Because then he gets the blame.He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.
You hold on to that dream as long as you can,
WOW, You really believe that silly shit, don't you?
What does the silly claim of the FBI closing in have to do with Hillary's campaign strategy? Try to stay on the same subject.
Dana7360
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The FBI is closing in and they say if she isn't prosecuted no politician will be prosecuted. So she has to go. Also Obama has to have a republican to take over, when his economy collapses he can't have a democrat in office. Because then he gets the blame.He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.Okay so when Trump takes over he has a two years to blame any debt he does on Obama?Yeah....nearly two trillion dollars of it has been spent to pay the annual interest on the debt he assumed. You didn't think those foreign banks were loaning that money to Bush interest free did you?
Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
You hold on to that dream as long as you can,
No one is closing in on Hilary.
We heard the same things in the 90s. All you republicans were screaming she will be indicted along with Bill.
In fact ken starr was asked when indictments for real crimes would happen. His reply was any day now.
We're still waiting 18 years later.
Soggy in NOLA
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That totally collapsed.. and BTW, Clinton never ran a surplus.
Or he had a congress with Republican leaders with an agenda other than limiting him to one term.Sure because he worked with the Republican Congress.
There is proof she had classified emails on an insecure server. That is traitorous, she can't get away with it. If she does that will make lawmakers above the law.The FBI is closing in and they say if she isn't prosecuted no politician will be prosecuted. So she has to go. Also Obama has to have a republican to take over, when his economy collapses he can't have a democrat in office. Because then he gets the blame.He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.Okay so when Trump takes over he has a two years to blame any debt he does on Obama?
Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
You hold on to that dream as long as you can,
No one is closing in on Hilary.
We heard the same things in the 90s. All you republicans were screaming she will be indicted along with Bill.
In fact ken starr was asked when indictments for real crimes would happen. His reply was any day now.
We're still waiting 18 years later.
imawhosure
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So why is Hillary campaigning on fixing the problems in our society. The economy and all of our other problems? When Bush ran after Reagan, he said he would continue the success of Reagan's presidency. Why isn't Hillary saying the same about Obama?The FBI is closing in and they say if she isn't prosecuted no politician will be prosecuted. So she has to go. Also Obama has to have a republican to take over, when his economy collapses he can't have a democrat in office. Because then he gets the blame.He has a better chance than the criminal Hillary.Trump won't have to worry about that. The only way he will ever be in the White House is if he takes a tour.
You hold on to that dream as long as you can,
WOW, You really believe that silly shit, don't you?
Now that is the best question I have seen posed on these forums in awhile! Excellent point.
Clinton sat on the dot-com bubble until it exploded under president Bush. Enron was selling stock on the freaking internet and donating to the Clinton administration. Clinton pardoned the most notorious corporate pirate in history at that time while he was on the FBI's 10 most wanted list in exchange for a couple of bucks donated to the Clinton library by his wife. Against advice from everyone in the intelligence community, Clinton sold ICBM technology to China. Clinton presided over the corrupt Fannie Mae partnership with government complete with no show jobs and political payoffs. Fannie finally collapsed during president Bush's administration. The 9-11 terrorists were in flight school while Clinton was bombing Yugoslavia and his Asst. A.G. (who ended up on the Fannie Mae board) threatened the FBI and the CIA with arrest if they shared information. Clinton's National Security Agency head became a thief , stealing documents from the National Archives and the liberal media wasn't even curious about what he took.
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ObamaCare 781
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Member Usernotes 469
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