Will we ever have single payer health care in this country?

[BuckToothMoron]

I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.

I think there is a very good chance Trump will be the one to usher in single payer health care.

Is that before or after you have him impeached?

 

[Markle]

Unless somebody offers a better option. Repubs seem to have nothing.

Exactly.

PLAN A: Nothing. (GOP Plan)

PLAN B: Socialized medicine, a.k.a. single payer health care, a.k.a. Medicare For All. (Democratic Plan)


Take a look at this chart and guess which plan the American voter is going to choose:

What is your point?

We are a very rich nation and we can afford to spend a great deal of money on our health care.

 

[Mac1958]

The obvious answer is an expansion of the entire Medicare / Medicare Advantage / Medicare Supplement system to all.

An excellent, already-functioning blend of a public foundation and free market competition and innovation.

It would take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers and give people their own plans.

Unfortunately, most people are ignorant of how that system works, or how it could be scaled. Too much thinking required.

So yeah, it's possible we'll have Single Payer shoved down our throats by default. Congratulations.
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How is that the "obvious" answer? Medicare has a massive, unfunded debt already. How is far more massive debt the obvious answer?

I've already had this conversation on this thread.

What is your approach?
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[Markle]

It's not 100 trillion in debt. You can't believe everything you hear.

And it has moving parts that can be flexible to allow for new approaches and innovation. I have some ideas, of course.

But since we no longer have the capacity to create new approaches or innovation, we just give up.

If you think you can hold off what's coming, great.

Here is our unfunded liability as of today, January 30, 2019. This does NOT include our national debt is rapidly approaching $22 TRILLION.

 

[Markle]

I've already had this conversation on this thread.

What is your approach?

EVEN leading Democrats say Medicare for all is an impossible dream. It is impossible for us to afford. Why do you continue to lie to yourselves and to the voters, just as you did with Obamacare?

 

[Pilot1]

Here is our unfunded liability as of today, January 30, 2019. This does NOT include our national debt is rapidly approaching $22 TRILLION.

That's insane. And we want to trust our government to run Healthcare, and everything else? They are corrupt, and incompetent.

 

[Mac1958]

I've already had this conversation on this thread.

What is your approach?

EVEN leading Democrats say Medicare for all is an impossible dream. It is impossible for us to afford. Why do you continue to lie to yourselves and to the voters, just as you did with Obamacare?

Not a Democrat.

Very much against the ACA.

What is your approach? Second try.
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[Markle]

Obamacare could have done both by now if Hillary were now POTUS.

 

[MAGAman]

Unless somebody offers a better option. Repubs seem to have nothing.

Exactly.

PLAN A: Nothing. (GOP Plan)

PLAN B: Socialized medicine, a.k.a. single payer health care, a.k.a. Medicare For All. (Democratic Plan)


Take a look at this chart and guess which plan the American voter is going to choose:

Of course health care directing had gone up.

People are living longer. Older people require more expensive healthcare.

Letting old people die will reduce Healthcare costs.

 

[Markle]

As I'm sure you know, I started my explanation, including a link to hard data. I've already provided more detail than anyone here ever does, ever.

So, never mind. You win. You're right. Good luck.

What is your solution?

 

[Mac1958]

As I'm sure you know, I started my explanation, including a link to hard data. I've already provided more detail than anyone here ever does, ever.

So, never mind. You win. You're right. Good luck.

What is your solution?

Again, I've already answered that. And I know you saw them, because you "funnied" them.

My plan is specific, comprehensive and independent.

Third try: What is your plan? Or is "funnying" actual ideas the best you can do?
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[Markle]

The obvious answer is an expansion of the entire Medicare / Medicare Advantage / Medicare Supplement system to all.

An excellent, already-functioning blend of a public foundation and free market competition and innovation.

It would take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers and give people their own plans.

Unfortunately, most people are ignorant of how that system works, or how it could be scaled. Too much thinking required.

So yeah, it's possible we'll have Single Payer shoved down our throats by default. Congratulations.
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But you said you were against Medicare for all. How does that work, being for an against the same thing?

 

[Mac1958]

The obvious answer is an expansion of the entire Medicare / Medicare Advantage / Medicare Supplement system to all.

An excellent, already-functioning blend of a public foundation and free market competition and innovation.

It would take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers and give people their own plans.

Unfortunately, most people are ignorant of how that system works, or how it could be scaled. Too much thinking required.

So yeah, it's possible we'll have Single Payer shoved down our throats by default. Congratulations.
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But you said you were against Medicare for all. How does that work, being for an against the same thing?

No, I'm against Single Payer.

If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.
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[Redfish]

I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.

It will happen if Trump wins a second term. He has always favored single payer.

And when it is his idea all of his sheep will say it is the best idea ever


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wrong, it will never happen, the country cant afford it and Trump knows that.

your boy in the White House has always been a fan of it...and when he says it is good thing you will be on here telling us how amazing it is

the money is not really the problem.

We spend 3.5 trillion dollars a year on healthcare now. I have not seen any estimates for singer payer that was higher than that

there is a huge difference between socialized medicine and coverage for every citizen. Today in the USA no citizen, or illegal, is denied medical care, nor were they before obozocare. The so called crisis is nothing but a socialist attempt to federalize another 20% of the economy.

and in the UK, Canada, Scandinavia, etc, IT AINT FREE. It is paid for with huge tax increases on EVERYONE. AND some bureaucrat in the capital is making healthcare decisions for each person, not that person and his/her doctor. Like government run medicine? Try the VA.

 

[Redfish]

We already have it...for some people. It's called Medicare

and the people receiving it PAID for it out of every paycheck for their entire working lives.

 

[Redfish]

Yes - I think that the U.S. will eventually implement single-payer healthcare.

It's not all-that-radical a concept in most parts of the world, although it freaks-out Big Insurance and Big Pharma here.

The Devil's in the details, though, and I'm guessing we'll make huge mistakes during the early going.

But, I also think that the planets are going to have to align "just so", before it's even attempted.

Requiring a Democrat -controlled House, Senate, Oval Office and (quite possibly) Supreme Court.

That may take another half-generation or more before we see any such alignment.

If that happens we will become what Venezuela is today, get ready to eat your dogs and cats and zoo animals.

 

[Lesh]

If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.

SInce we're having a discussion...how about YOU tell us how you think they differ

 

[Lesh]

If that happens we will become what Venezuela is today, get ready to eat your dogs and cats and zoo animals.

We'll become an oil based economy with massive corruption because we have affordable healthcare?

I don't think so

 

[Mac1958]

If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.

SInce we're having a discussion...how about YOU tell us how you think they differ

To make a very long story short, our Medicare system includes a significant free market component in the form of Medicare Supplements, Medicare Advantage Plans and Prescription Drug Plans, and true Single Payer does not.
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[Lesh]

To make a very long story short, our Medicare system includes a significant free market component in the form of Medicare Supplements, Medicare Advantage Plans and Prescription Drug Plans, and true Single Payer does not.

So the basic Medicare program IS single payer.

Thanks you