Will there be any Electoral College hanky-panky in the 2020 election?

[Indeependent]

The Electoral College, combined with inaccurate census counting and gerrymandering, is not a fair method to elect our presidents. BTW, Republicans are trying to end the 2020 census count a month early. They may have already succeeded.

From a tactical point of view, how will the popular vote not be subject to corruption?

When it's done fairly and honestly - as it mostly is. There is little evidence of voter fraud - certainly nothing so significant that it would have an adverse effect on a presidential election. Even Trump disbanded his so-called commission on voter fraud - because they found none.

So what happens when everybody in the Red States is taxed to death and moves to the Blue States and we no longer have their food supply?

 

[DBA]

I've been hearing rumors. Have you heard anything?

There could be few better testaments to the lunacy of our electoral system than the fact that, on Wednesday, the Supreme Court, made up of the most august judges in the land, spent time considering whether one random guy somewhere should be able to decide who the next president is.

But that’s just what happened. And even if the judges take what might be the most practical course in this case — which concerns the question of “faithless electors” — it’s a good reminder that, because our system is so uniquely undemocratic, we could be heading for yet another election in which the person who gets the most votes is not the one who wins.
And that’s not even the most terrifying prospect.

This Supreme Court case asks whether, having been sent to the electoral college on the presumption they’d cast their votes for a particular candidate, electors are allowed under the Constitution to change their minds and act as free agents.

The electoral college is a ticking time bomb for November

Holy horse crap.. You ASKING electoral college abuse? You ever hear of the 14 largely BLUE states that signed a pact DEMANDING their electors IGNORE the will of their residents' votes and cast their votes for the Popular vote winner??

Seriously -- you this clueless ALL the time? This is gonna backfire on your asses like most of your schemes.. If Trump WINS the popular vote -- you'll see trainloads of lawyers running to court to REMOVE the legislation they all passed.. Otherwise NY. Cali.Illinois and 11 other Blue states would turn ALL RED on the official electoral college results..

How'd you miss this chief???

The Electoral College is a dinosaur. Popular vote reflects the real will of the people. People count - not acreage.

Then WhyTF you worried about it? It aint going anywhere.. It's MORE democratic than the Senate. You revolutionaries would have to burn the SENATE off of the Constitution first..

The electoral college is THOUSANDS of times MORE democratic than your average DNC "Super Delegate"...

Why are you always so hostile and usually on the wrong side of most issues? Do you honestly believe the Electoral College is how presidential elections should be decided and that electors should be able to just ignore the popular vote in their state?

Time for your civics lesson:

"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between the population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief..."

Why the Electoral College.

Yes, we know the framers didn't trust the "people" - which is how we ended up with Trump. Hillary Clinton received about 3,000,000 more popular votes than Trump. Let the "people" decide.

I guess this went right over your head. Just because a large group of lemmings in NY and CA vote for a president doesn't mean that should be the deciding factor.

 

[Lakhota]

From the OP:

Here’s an even worse series of events. Biden wins a clear victory in the popular vote, but the electoral college has him up only 274 to 264, which could happen if Biden takes Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona — but not Michigan. The Republican-led legislature of Wisconsin, convinced that their state suffered massive fraud in the form of too many Democrats voting, decides that since the Constitution says electors are appointed “in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,” they will simply appoint Republican electors for their 10 electoral votes. Trump wins.

 

[JGalt]

From the OP:

Here’s an even worse series of events. Biden wins a clear victory in the popular vote, but the electoral college has him up only 274 to 264, which could happen if Biden takes Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona — but not Michigan. The Republican-led legislature of Wisconsin, convinced that their state suffered massive fraud in the form of too many Democrats voting, decides that since the Constitution says electors are appointed “in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,” they will simply appoint Republican electors for their 10 electoral votes. Trump wins.

Post fail: You used the words "Biden" and "popular" in the same sentence.

Minus 10 points.

 

[LeftofLeft]

I've been hearing rumors. Have you heard anything?

There could be few better testaments to the lunacy of our electoral system than the fact that, on Wednesday, the Supreme Court, made up of the most august judges in the land, spent time considering whether one random guy somewhere should be able to decide who the next president is.

But that’s just what happened. And even if the judges take what might be the most practical course in this case — which concerns the question of “faithless electors” — it’s a good reminder that, because our system is so uniquely undemocratic, we could be heading for yet another election in which the person who gets the most votes is not the one who wins.
And that’s not even the most terrifying prospect.

This Supreme Court case asks whether, having been sent to the electoral college on the presumption they’d cast their votes for a particular candidate, electors are allowed under the Constitution to change their minds and act as free agents.

The electoral college is a ticking time bomb for November

Hanky Panky? Is that a technical term?

 

[Lakhota]

From the OP:

The answer, of course, is to amend the Constitution to get rid of the electoral college so that, like every other democracy on Earth, we have a system in which we have an election, and the candidate who gets the most votes wins.

But, of course, we can’t do that because the amendment process itself gives outsize power to less-populated states, which mostly happen to be controlled by the Republicans who currently benefit from the electoral college’s bias toward those less-populated states. Check and mate.

So we’ll have to live with the very real possibility that, for the third time in six presidential elections, in 2020, the person who receives fewer votes could win the presidency.

 

[LeftofLeft]

I've been hearing rumors. Have you heard anything?

There could be few better testaments to the lunacy of our electoral system than the fact that, on Wednesday, the Supreme Court, made up of the most august judges in the land, spent time considering whether one random guy somewhere should be able to decide who the next president is.

But that’s just what happened. And even if the judges take what might be the most practical course in this case — which concerns the question of “faithless electors” — it’s a good reminder that, because our system is so uniquely undemocratic, we could be heading for yet another election in which the person who gets the most votes is not the one who wins.
And that’s not even the most terrifying prospect.

This Supreme Court case asks whether, having been sent to the electoral college on the presumption they’d cast their votes for a particular candidate, electors are allowed under the Constitution to change their minds and act as free agents.

The electoral college is a ticking time bomb for November

Holy horse crap.. You ASKING electoral college abuse? You ever hear of the 14 largely BLUE states that signed a pact DEMANDING their electors IGNORE the will of their residents' votes and cast their votes for the Popular vote winner??

Seriously -- you this clueless ALL the time? This is gonna backfire on your asses like most of your schemes.. If Trump WINS the popular vote -- you'll see trainloads of lawyers running to court to REMOVE the legislation they all passed.. Otherwise NY. Cali.Illinois and 11 other Blue states would turn ALL RED on the official electoral college results..

How'd you miss this chief???

The Electoral College is a dinosaur. Popular vote reflects the real will of the people. People count - not acreage.

Then WhyTF you worried about it? It aint going anywhere.. It's MORE democratic than the Senate. You revolutionaries would have to burn the SENATE off of the Constitution first..

The electoral college is THOUSANDS of times MORE democratic than your average DNC "Super Delegate"...

Why are you always so hostile and usually on the wrong side of most issues? Do you honestly believe the Electoral College is how presidential elections should be decided and that electors should be able to just ignore the popular vote in their state?

Time for your civics lesson:

"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between the population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief..."

Why the Electoral College.

Ironic given every Liberal gushes over Hamilton.

 

[Indeependent]

From the OP:

The answer, of course, is to amend the Constitution to get rid of the electoral college so that, like every other democracy on Earth, we have a system in which we have an election, and the candidate who gets the most votes wins.

But, of course, we can’t do that because the amendment process itself gives outsize power to less-populated states, which mostly happen to be controlled by the Republicans who currently benefit from the electoral college’s bias toward those less-populated states. Check and mate.

So we’ll have to live with the very real possibility that, for the third time in six presidential elections, in 2020, the person who receives fewer votes could win the presidency.

The US is not a Democracy because no system should be ruled by the "mob".
Can you imagine a Bank run by a drug pusher?
I presume you haven't had any riots in your city yet so you have false sense of security.

 

[JGalt]

I've been hearing rumors. Have you heard anything?

There could be few better testaments to the lunacy of our electoral system than the fact that, on Wednesday, the Supreme Court, made up of the most august judges in the land, spent time considering whether one random guy somewhere should be able to decide who the next president is.

But that’s just what happened. And even if the judges take what might be the most practical course in this case — which concerns the question of “faithless electors” — it’s a good reminder that, because our system is so uniquely undemocratic, we could be heading for yet another election in which the person who gets the most votes is not the one who wins.
And that’s not even the most terrifying prospect.

This Supreme Court case asks whether, having been sent to the electoral college on the presumption they’d cast their votes for a particular candidate, electors are allowed under the Constitution to change their minds and act as free agents.

The electoral college is a ticking time bomb for November

Holy horse crap.. You ASKING electoral college abuse? You ever hear of the 14 largely BLUE states that signed a pact DEMANDING their electors IGNORE the will of their residents' votes and cast their votes for the Popular vote winner??

Seriously -- you this clueless ALL the time? This is gonna backfire on your asses like most of your schemes.. If Trump WINS the popular vote -- you'll see trainloads of lawyers running to court to REMOVE the legislation they all passed.. Otherwise NY. Cali.Illinois and 11 other Blue states would turn ALL RED on the official electoral college results..

How'd you miss this chief???

The Electoral College is a dinosaur. Popular vote reflects the real will of the people. People count - not acreage.

Then WhyTF you worried about it? It aint going anywhere.. It's MORE democratic than the Senate. You revolutionaries would have to burn the SENATE off of the Constitution first..

The electoral college is THOUSANDS of times MORE democratic than your average DNC "Super Delegate"...

Why are you always so hostile and usually on the wrong side of most issues? Do you honestly believe the Electoral College is how presidential elections should be decided and that electors should be able to just ignore the popular vote in their state?

Time for your civics lesson:

"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between the population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief..."

Why the Electoral College.

Ironic given every Liberal gushes over Hamilton.

They only gush over the Black Hamilton they saw on Broadway. The white one was de debbil.

 

[Lakhota]

I've been hearing rumors. Have you heard anything?

There could be few better testaments to the lunacy of our electoral system than the fact that, on Wednesday, the Supreme Court, made up of the most august judges in the land, spent time considering whether one random guy somewhere should be able to decide who the next president is.

But that’s just what happened. And even if the judges take what might be the most practical course in this case — which concerns the question of “faithless electors” — it’s a good reminder that, because our system is so uniquely undemocratic, we could be heading for yet another election in which the person who gets the most votes is not the one who wins.
And that’s not even the most terrifying prospect.

This Supreme Court case asks whether, having been sent to the electoral college on the presumption they’d cast their votes for a particular candidate, electors are allowed under the Constitution to change their minds and act as free agents.

The electoral college is a ticking time bomb for November

Hanky Panky? Is that a technical term?

Knowledge is your friend.

Definition of hanky-panky

1: questionable or underhanded activity

Hanky-panky | Definition of Hanky-panky by Merriam-Webster

 

[Indeependent]

I've been hearing rumors. Have you heard anything?

There could be few better testaments to the lunacy of our electoral system than the fact that, on Wednesday, the Supreme Court, made up of the most august judges in the land, spent time considering whether one random guy somewhere should be able to decide who the next president is.

But that’s just what happened. And even if the judges take what might be the most practical course in this case — which concerns the question of “faithless electors” — it’s a good reminder that, because our system is so uniquely undemocratic, we could be heading for yet another election in which the person who gets the most votes is not the one who wins.
And that’s not even the most terrifying prospect.

This Supreme Court case asks whether, having been sent to the electoral college on the presumption they’d cast their votes for a particular candidate, electors are allowed under the Constitution to change their minds and act as free agents.

The electoral college is a ticking time bomb for November

Hanky Panky? Is that a technical term?

Knowledge is your friend.

Definition of hanky-panky

1: questionable or underhanded activity

Hanky-panky | Definition of Hanky-panky by Merriam-Webster

Which, of course, in your mind, Ds never engage in.
I think you're a paid D stooge.
Even my Community Facebook Thread has a few stooges like yourself; they all live in mansions.
But, boy, do they feel for the poor!

 

[flacaltenn]

From the OP:

Here’s an even worse series of events. Biden wins a clear victory in the popular vote, but the electoral college has him up only 274 to 264, which could happen if Biden takes Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona — but not Michigan. The Republican-led legislature of Wisconsin, convinced that their state suffered massive fraud in the form of too many Democrats voting, decides that since the Constitution says electors are appointed “in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,” they will simply appoint Republican electors for their 10 electoral votes. Trump wins.

More useless speculation... And electors are appointed by PARTY to represent THEIR candidate IF they win.. This is childish and irresponsible fear-mongering..

 

[Indeependent]

From the OP:

Here’s an even worse series of events. Biden wins a clear victory in the popular vote, but the electoral college has him up only 274 to 264, which could happen if Biden takes Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona — but not Michigan. The Republican-led legislature of Wisconsin, convinced that their state suffered massive fraud in the form of too many Democrats voting, decides that since the Constitution says electors are appointed “in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,” they will simply appoint Republican electors for their 10 electoral votes. Trump wins.

More useless speculation... And electors are appointed by PARTY to represent THEIR candidate IF they win.. This is childish and irresponsible fear-mongering..

Typical LackBrains.

 

[Lakhota]

The Constitution has evolved since ratification on "some" issues: Black people are now FULL humans and they can vote. Women can vote. So why hasn't the Electoral College dinosaur evolved?

 

[Indeependent]

The Constitution has evolved since ratification on "some" issues: Black people are now FULL humans and they can vote. Women can vote. So why hasn't the Electoral College dinosaur evolved?

Tell us what Democrats have done for you during your lifetime besides ensuring welfare checks.

 

[Lakhota]

The Constitution has evolved since ratification on "some" issues: Black people are now FULL humans and they can vote. Women can vote. So why hasn't the Electoral College dinosaur evolved?

Tell us what Democrats have done for you during your lifetime besides ensuring welfare checks.

This thread is about the Electoral College dinosaur - not welfare checks.

 

[Indeependent]

The Constitution has evolved since ratification on "some" issues: Black people are now FULL humans and they can vote. Women can vote. So why hasn't the Electoral College dinosaur evolved?

Tell us what Democrats have done for you during your lifetime besides ensuring welfare checks.

This thread is about the Electoral College dinosaur - not welfare checks.

That's why I posted that.
You seem to think, quite erroneously, that the students should run the university.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

"Chad" is stepping forward from retirement to handle security

Chad is no longer hanging around?

 

[Lakhota]

The Constitution has evolved since ratification on "some" issues: Black people are now FULL humans and they can vote. Women can vote. So why hasn't the Electoral College dinosaur evolved?

Tell us what Democrats have done for you during your lifetime besides ensuring welfare checks.

This thread is about the Electoral College

The Constitution has evolved since ratification on "some" issues: Black people are now FULL humans and they can vote. Women can vote. So why hasn't the Electoral College dinosaur evolved?

Tell us what Democrats have done for you during your lifetime besides ensuring welfare checks.

This thread is about the Electoral College dinosaur - not welfare checks.

That's why I posted that.
You seem to think, quite erroneously, that the students should run the university.

You mean that the "people" should run the country? I agree!

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Let's just hope our 2020 election truly reflects the will of the people.

It will reflect the Will of the People of each State as it was intended and not the Will of just Certain States that could swing an election while ignoring the reality that candidate lost the majority of States...