Will Rump Palestine become a UN protectorate?

[Kondor3]

UN studies formal Palestinian plea for a protectorate

By George Russell - Published July 26, 2014 - FoxNews.com

While Secretary of State John Kerry continues to pursue a cease-fire in Gaza—and Hamas rockets continue to rain down on Israel--the United Nations is looking over a proposal from Palestinian Authority chief Mahmoud Abbas—now known formally at the U.N. as President of the State of Palestine—to draw the world organization in as its full protector.

A letter laying out the Abbas request to put not only Gaza but also the West Bank “under an international protection system by the United Nations” was sent to Secretary General Ban Ki-moon two weeks ago, and formally presented by Ban to the Security Council on Monday.

The document is evidently intended as a further stage in the Palestinian diplomatic offensive to wrap itself as much as possible in the U.N.’s blue-and-white flag to further isolate Israel and advance Palestinian recognition, as well as bring an end to the current ground offensive aimed at wiping out Hamas rocket and tunnel infrastructure.

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“This is simply a thinly veiled attempt to ask the UN to intervene against Israel,” notes John Bolton, a former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. and a Fox News contributor.

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“This almost an implicit admission by the Palestinian Authority that they are incapable of governing themselves,” he says, especially after the injection of Hamas into Palestinian government.

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UN studies formal Palestinian plea for a protectorate | Fox News

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Hamas is getting its ass kicked, and Abbas goes running to the UN like a little girl, asking for others to fight their battle for them.

How does that square with pro-Hamas propaganda shills on the Internet, bombarding us with their Arabic version of "...We shall fight them on the beaches..." ?

And, on a more serious note...

1. how likely is the UN to grant that petition?

2. if the UN grants that petitiion, how does that change the landscape (literally and figuratively)?

 

[Kondor3]

Letter dated 21 July 2014 from the Secretary -General addressed to the President of the Security Council

On 10 July 2014, I expressed my alarm to the Security Council at the renewed escalation of violence between Gaza and Israel following weeks of tension in the West Bank. I also welcomed the press statement by the Council, on 12 July 2014, which called unequivocally for a de-escalation of the situation, the restoration of calm and the reinstitution of the November 2012 ceasefire. I remain deeply
concerned about the continuation of hostilities and the increasing number of civilian victims. I hope that ongoing efforts to reach a ceasefire will bear immediate and lasting results before the underlying causes of the repeated rounds of violence can be duly addressed.

As the crisis continued, I received, on 13 July 2014, the attached letter from Mr. Mahmoud Abbas, President of the State of Palestine (see annex), which requests that “the territory of the State of Palestine be placed under an international protection system by the United Nations”, with the central aim of “ensuring the protection of the Palestinian people”. In light of the serious issues regarding Palestine, I am currently reviewing this request with my senior advisers. I would be grateful if you could bring this letter and its annex to the attention of the members of the Security Council.

(Signed) BAN Ki-moon

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Annex 14-58005 2/2

Placing Palestine under an international protection system administered by the United Nations


Against the backdrop of decades-long, contentious and entrenched Israeli colonial occupation, preventing the exercise by the Palestinian people of their fundamental right to self-determination in an independent state of their own in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip on the 1967 borders,

I hereby officially request that the territory of the State of Palestine be placed under an international protection system by the United Nations. The objectives of the international protection system for Palestine, in accordance with the purposes of the United Nations, international law and international humanitarian law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention, and human rights treaties are:

•The maintenance of international peace and security and taking effective collective measures, in conformity with international law, for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, acts of aggression and breach of peace resulting from Israel’s continued occupation and illegal colonization of the occupied State of Palestine;

• To promote the political, economic, social rights, well-being and advancement of the Palestinian people and their progressive development towards independence in a state of their own in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip on the 1967 borders, which constitutes the internationally recognized self-determination unit of the Palestinian people;

•To ensure respect for human rights, fundamental freedoms and international law and international humanitarian law and to provide protection for the Palestinian people and civilian population from Israel’s ongoing occupation and acts of aggression.

The establishment of a protection system for the people of Palestine is commensurate with the objectives and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations and the responsibility of the international community under international law and international humanitarian law, in particular the Fourth Geneva Convention and the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions. These norms were upheld in numerous resolutions of the United Nations Security Council, including resolutions 607 (1988), 608 (1988), 636 (1989), 672 (1990), 681 (1990), 694 (1991) and 699 (1991).

I urge you, Mr. Secretary, to take all of the effective measures required to establish a protection system for Palestine, with the aim of ensuring the protection of the Palestinian people from the Israeli aggression, continued occupation and violation of international law, in particular its escalation and its bombardments against the civilian population in the Gaza Strip.

(Signed) Mahmoud Abbas
President of the State of Palestine
Chairman of the PLO Executive Committee

http://www.foxnews.com/world/interactive/2014/07/25/letter-from-secretary-general-addressed-to-president-security-council/

 

[irosie91]

Kondor-----I am ---somewhat ignorant of-----what does "protectorate of the UN" actually mean?
I do recall-----in 1967----there were UN peacekeepers in the SINAI-----in preparation for the
planned aggression by the **** UAR ****** Nasser simply told the UN Peacekeepers---
"GET OUT"------- and they packed up and left

as to ABU MAZEN"S plan------what are we calling "Palestine" this month???

 

[Kondor3]

Rosie... somebody else may do a better job of explaining it than I can at the moment.

But we're on the same page when it comes to perceiving such 'protection' as illusory and a paper tiger.

A grasping at straws, and a political 'shitting of the pants', as Israel presses Hamas against the wall.

 

[Daniyel]

Whining and bitching, this is all they can do..
International aid to Palestinians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[montelatici]

UN studies formal Palestinian plea for a protectorate

By George Russell - Published July 26, 2014 - FoxNews.com

While Secretary of State John Kerry continues to pursue a cease-fire in Gaza—and Hamas rockets continue to rain down on Israel--the United Nations is looking over a proposal from Palestinian Authority chief Mahmoud Abbas—now known formally at the U.N. as President of the State of Palestine—to draw the world organization in as its full protector.

A letter laying out the Abbas request to put not only Gaza but also the West Bank “under an international protection system by the United Nations” was sent to Secretary General Ban Ki-moon two weeks ago, and formally presented by Ban to the Security Council on Monday.

The document is evidently intended as a further stage in the Palestinian diplomatic offensive to wrap itself as much as possible in the U.N.’s blue-and-white flag to further isolate Israel and advance Palestinian recognition, as well as bring an end to the current ground offensive aimed at wiping out Hamas rocket and tunnel infrastructure.

...

“This is simply a thinly veiled attempt to ask the UN to intervene against Israel,” notes John Bolton, a former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. and a Fox News contributor.

...

“This almost an implicit admission by the Palestinian Authority that they are incapable of governing themselves,” he says, especially after the injection of Hamas into Palestinian government.

...

UN studies formal Palestinian plea for a protectorate | Fox News

========================================

Hamas is getting its ass kicked, and Abbas goes running to the UN like a little girl, asking for others to fight their battle for them.

How does that square with pro-Hamas propaganda shills on the Internet, bombarding us with their Arabic version of "...We shall fight them on the beaches..." ?

And, on a more serious note...

1. how likely is the UN to grant that petition?

2. if the UN grants that petitiion, how does that change the landscape (literally and figuratively)?

Give the Palestinians half the arms Israel has and they would" kick" Israel's ass, as you in your mature way put it.

 

[Kondor3]

...Give the Palestinians half the arms Israel has and they would" kick" Israel's ass, as you in your mature way put it.

1. nobody - including the Arabs - trust the mad dogs of Palestine with heavy weapons

2. "kicking-ass" is a marvelous metaphor

3. I do, indeed, take a childish delight, in applying that metaphor to the present state of affairs in Gaza - largely due to the visceral and adverse reaction it triggers amongst Militant Muslim sympathizers and fifth-columnists

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The only thing is that I wouldn't describe the West Bank as Rump Palestine, unfortunately. I read an artcle that they're building all over the West Bank without permits. And they breed very well.

 

[Kondor3]

The only thing is that I wouldn't describe the West Bank as Rump Palestine, unfortunately. I read an artcle that they're building all over the West Bank without permits. And they breed very well.

In a 'loss of land-mass' context, considering what they could have had, had they been intelligent enough to settle on a two-state solution in the 1948-1949 timeframe...

Yeah... it's a 'rump' land-segment... a truncated fragment of what it once was.

 

[Beelzebub]

Palestine will take over as Israel is forced to democratise and as nations refuse to trade with the fascist state.

 

[Indeependent]

Palestine will take over as Israel is forced to democratise and as nations refuse to trade with the fascist state.

Once again someone who doesn't look up the definition of Democracy before shooting off his mouth.

 

[Kondor3]

Palestine will take over as Israel is forced to democratise and as nations refuse to trade with the fascist state.

Israel is already a democratic state.

Neither the Palestinians nor their few remaining scraps of land are part of the body politic of that Israeli democracy.

As to nations refusing to do business with Israel...

Well, perhaps the UN can take over the BDS Movement, as well as making Rump Palestine a UN Protectorate...

After all, BDS has been around since 2005, and remains a laughable circus flea...

Maybe some UN financial levies and assessments can infuse enough capital into the BDS movement to take it out of the Laughing Stock Zone...

But, of course, if that happens, the US will have the Israelis' back anyway, so BDS will have to take-on the United States at the same time.

Good frigging luck with that.

 

[montelatici]

Palestine will take over as Israel is forced to democratise and as nations refuse to trade with the fascist state.

Once again someone who doesn't look up the definition of Democracy before shooting off his mouth.

Israel's democracy is as democratic as Apartheid South Africa's was. Maintaining control of people and claiming they are not citizens hence can't vote, is not democracy. After most of the non-whites in South Africa were all citizens of the Bantustans, so they could not vote in South African elections.

 

[docmauser1]

Palestine will take over as Israel is forced to democratise and as nations refuse to trade with the fascist state.

Oh, bog off.

 

[montelatici]

It is probably the only solution that will prevent Israel from taking over all the land, water and mineral rights of the Palestinians. They will need a very strong multi-national defense force to enforce the peace given the crazy aggressive nature of the Israelis.

 

[Daniyel]

Only in Israel!

 

[Kondor3]

Palestine will take over as Israel is forced to democratise and as nations refuse to trade with the fascist state.

Once again someone who doesn't look up the definition of Democracy before shooting off his mouth.

Israel's democracy is as democratic as Apartheid South Africa's was...

Within the boundaries of Israel-proper, as that is currently constituted, they already pass the sniff test, to be accorded the label 'democratic', in any serious sense of the word.

...Maintaining control of people and claiming they are not citizens hence can't vote, is not democracy...

The United States, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, and France, all occupied Germany for decades, but did not extend US or Soviet or British or French citizenship to the indigenous German people. And yet, all were considered 'democratic' - well, except for the Soviets, maybe.

...After most of the non-whites in South Africa were all citizens of the Bantustans, so they could not vote in South African elections.

That's nice.

The Bantustans were an artificial creation of White Afrikaaners, to keep blacks separate.

The West Bank and Gaza are enclaves of Palestinian lands which existed prior to the creation of the Israeli state and which the Palestinians desire to keep separate from Israel.

Apples and oranges.

 

[montelatici]

Once again someone who doesn't look up the definition of Democracy before shooting off his mouth.

Israel's democracy is as democratic as Apartheid South Africa's was...

Within the boundaries of Israel-proper, as that is currently constituted, they already pass the sniff test, to be accorded the label 'democratic', in any serious sense of the word.

...Maintaining control of people and claiming they are not citizens hence can't vote, is not democracy...

The United States, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, and France, all occupied Germany for decades, but did not extend US or Soviet or British or French citizenship to the indigenous German people. And yet, all were considered 'democratic' - well, except for the Soviets, maybe.

...After most of the non-whites in South Africa were all citizens of the Bantustans, so they could not vote in South African elections.

That's nice.

The Bantustans were an artificial creation of White Afrikaaners, to keep blacks separate.

The West Bank and Gaza are enclaves of Palestinian lands which existed prior to the creation of the Israeli state and which the Palestinians desire to keep separate from Israel.

Apples and oranges.

The Bantustans existed before Apartheid as reserves. None of Palestinian's "desires" have been taken into account. The West Bank was not a political entity until Israel was established.

The occupied territories are analogous to the Bantustans and are used by the Jews just as they were used by the Boers. To prevent non-Jews and non-whites, respectively from voting.

No matter what you think, outside of some Israelis and some Americans, the world agrees that Israel is an Apartheid state.

 

[irosie91]

Maldives is a small island country in south east asia------it has a muslim majority----
and is called a DEMOCRACY-----several years ago it conducted a DEMOCRATIC
vote on a referendum -----ALL CITIZENS OF MALDIVES MUST BE OF THE MUSLIM RELIGION---
the referendum passed------and non muslim citizens were divested of citizenship-----
Maldives is still called a "DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY"

 

[montelatici]

Maldives is a small island country in south east asia------it has a muslim majority----
and is called a DEMOCRACY-----several years ago it conducted a DEMOCRATIC
vote on a referendum -----ALL CITIZENS OF MALDIVES MUST BE OF THE MUSLIM RELIGION---
the referendum passed------and non muslim citizens were divested of citizenship-----
Maldives is still called a "DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY"

It is not considered a democracy by me or the rest of the world as of February 2013 when they passed the discriminatory law on voting.

"Democracy Derailed"

https://medium.com/this-is-maldives/democracy-derailed-908bbd10d7f2