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Will Putin attack Ukraine again? Fighting Escalates in Eastern Ukraine, Signaling the End to Another Cease-Fire

Will Putin attack Ukraine ?

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A third invasion of Ukraine in 2021 is also a much more dangerous gamble for Putin than the one he took in 2014-15. US President Biden has made it clear he'll offer "unwavering support" to Kiev. Washington's mindset is irrevocably hardened to the idea that Russia is a threat. And Ukrainian leader Zelensky, as politically and militarily inexperienced as he is, will doubtless benefit domestically from being dragged into a conflict he hasn't started.
Yet two enduring, unquantifiable risks remain. The first is that Putin may see, among all the chaos of the next few weeks, a moment of opportunity to strike, and simply decide to deal with the consequences later. The second is the inevitable peril of amassing angry forces on both sides of an already active front line. An unanticipated error or surge by either party could spiral into a bigger war.
If Moscow hopes its buildup means its phones start ringing more frequently, and diplomacy takes over, then it would better happen soon.

 

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To those who still think that some sort of a real war between the US and Russia might happen and other ridiculous stuff.

Joe Biden is considering Matthew Rojansky as Russia director in the National Security Council. That is according to some unnamed source, so it is up to anyone to decide whether it is true or not.

Some of his opinions about Russian matters:
  • In 2017, Rojansky decried America's "Cold War style paranoia about the Russian bogeyman," acknowledging that Putin "is a huge problem for the United States" while arguing that escalation carries "unacceptable risks." He has consistently called for managing competition with Russia in a way that protects U.S. interests and minimizes risks.
  • "Russia is not going to go away," Rojansky wrote in a National Interest op-ed last year criticizing what he characterized as the overuse of sanctions. "Peaceful coexistence remains an imperative, no matter how unsavory Putin’s regime might be.

 

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To those who still think that some sort of a real war between the US and Russia might happen and other ridiculous stuff.

Joe Biden is considering Matthew Rojansky as Russia director in the National Security Council. That is according to some unnamed source, so it is up to anyone to decide whether it is true or not.

Some of his opinions about Russian matters:
  • In 2017, Rojansky decried America's "Cold War style paranoia about the Russian bogeyman," acknowledging that Putin "is a huge problem for the United States" while arguing that escalation carries "unacceptable risks." He has consistently called for managing competition with Russia in a way that protects U.S. interests and minimizes risks.
  • "Russia is not going to go away," Rojansky wrote in a National Interest op-ed last year criticizing what he characterized as the overuse of sanctions. "Peaceful coexistence remains an imperative, no matter how unsavory Putin’s regime might be.

Just one more stupid Jew. He'd read few Russian books, and believe that he is "an expert".
That's wrong. There are no, and there can not be any sort of "Russia experts", "India experts" or "China experts" or even "West experts". There is no way to predict further actions of the Russians (or any other civilisation).
Therefore we have not attempt to "predict" them. There is no way to say what they will actually do. They can send few tank battalions in Donbass, or start all-out "out of blue" nuclear strike against the USA.
It's not about "wishes", its about "possibilities". That's why we need not only learn what they actually have, not only what they will have soon, but also we need to calculate all possible and some impossible scenarios. Yes, this takes much more intellectual efforts, it cost much more, than just hire "an expert", who will filter and retranslate Russian propaganda, but it worth it, because the price of the possible mistake is too high.
 

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Ukraine is no good and I hope Putin takes whatever he likes
 

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To those who still think that some sort of a real war between the US and Russia might happen and other ridiculous stuff.

Joe Biden is considering Matthew Rojansky as Russia director in the National Security Council. That is according to some unnamed source, so it is up to anyone to decide whether it is true or not.

Some of his opinions about Russian matters:
  • In 2017, Rojansky decried America's "Cold War style paranoia about the Russian bogeyman," acknowledging that Putin "is a huge problem for the United States" while arguing that escalation carries "unacceptable risks." He has consistently called for managing competition with Russia in a way that protects U.S. interests and minimizes risks.
  • "Russia is not going to go away," Rojansky wrote in a National Interest op-ed last year criticizing what he characterized as the overuse of sanctions. "Peaceful coexistence remains an imperative, no matter how unsavory Putin’s regime might be.

Just one more stupid Jew. He'd read few Russian books, and believe that he is "an expert".
That's wrong. There are no, and there can not be any sort of "Russia experts", "India experts" or "China experts" or even "West experts". There is no way to predict further actions of the Russians (or any other civilisation).
Therefore we have not attempt to "predict" them. There is no way to say what they will actually do. They can send few tank battalions in Donbass, or start all-out "out of blue" nuclear strike against the USA.
It's not about "wishes", its about "possibilities". That's why we need not only learn what they actually have, not only what they will have soon, but also we need to calculate all possible and some impossible scenarios. Yes, this takes much more intellectual efforts, it cost much more, than just hire "an expert", who will filter and retranslate Russian propaganda, but it worth it, because the price of the possible mistake is too high.
Well, that is not about that man, no matter how smart or stupid he is or how many Russian books he has read. That is about a signal the Biden administration sends to Moscow about possible relations.

I am almost sure that the question about 'a killer' was prearranged before the Biden's interview, as was the answer. In the same interview Biden said the US will be cooperating with Russia where there is a 'mutual' interest (that is not strictly word to word, but you got the point).
 

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To those who still think that some sort of a real war between the US and Russia might happen and other ridiculous stuff.

Joe Biden is considering Matthew Rojansky as Russia director in the National Security Council. That is according to some unnamed source, so it is up to anyone to decide whether it is true or not.

Some of his opinions about Russian matters:
  • In 2017, Rojansky decried America's "Cold War style paranoia about the Russian bogeyman," acknowledging that Putin "is a huge problem for the United States" while arguing that escalation carries "unacceptable risks." He has consistently called for managing competition with Russia in a way that protects U.S. interests and minimizes risks.
  • "Russia is not going to go away," Rojansky wrote in a National Interest op-ed last year criticizing what he characterized as the overuse of sanctions. "Peaceful coexistence remains an imperative, no matter how unsavory Putin’s regime might be.

Just one more stupid Jew. He'd read few Russian books, and believe that he is "an expert".
That's wrong. There are no, and there can not be any sort of "Russia experts", "India experts" or "China experts" or even "West experts". There is no way to predict further actions of the Russians (or any other civilisation).
Therefore we have not attempt to "predict" them. There is no way to say what they will actually do. They can send few tank battalions in Donbass, or start all-out "out of blue" nuclear strike against the USA.
It's not about "wishes", its about "possibilities". That's why we need not only learn what they actually have, not only what they will have soon, but also we need to calculate all possible and some impossible scenarios. Yes, this takes much more intellectual efforts, it cost much more, than just hire "an expert", who will filter and retranslate Russian propaganda, but it worth it, because the price of the possible mistake is too high.
Well, that is not about that man, no matter how smart or stupid he is or how many Russian books he has read. That is about a signal the Biden administration sends to Moscow about possible relations.

I am almost sure that the question about 'a killer' was prearranged before the Biden's interview, as was the answer. In the same interview Biden said the US will be cooperating with Russia where there is a 'mutual' interest (that is not strictly word to word, but you got the point).
Oh, "signals" may be nice, but there are two problems about them:
1) The sides can read "signals" differently;
2) The signals and even intentions don't matter. Biden is a Chinese puppet, and act in their interests. So, he will push Russia to the China and will try to force countries of the Shanghai Pact to improve their cooperation.
 

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To those who still think that some sort of a real war between the US and Russia might happen and other ridiculous stuff.

Joe Biden is considering Matthew Rojansky as Russia director in the National Security Council. That is according to some unnamed source, so it is up to anyone to decide whether it is true or not.

Some of his opinions about Russian matters:
  • In 2017, Rojansky decried America's "Cold War style paranoia about the Russian bogeyman," acknowledging that Putin "is a huge problem for the United States" while arguing that escalation carries "unacceptable risks." He has consistently called for managing competition with Russia in a way that protects U.S. interests and minimizes risks.
  • "Russia is not going to go away," Rojansky wrote in a National Interest op-ed last year criticizing what he characterized as the overuse of sanctions. "Peaceful coexistence remains an imperative, no matter how unsavory Putin’s regime might be.

Just one more stupid Jew. He'd read few Russian books, and believe that he is "an expert".
That's wrong. There are no, and there can not be any sort of "Russia experts", "India experts" or "China experts" or even "West experts". There is no way to predict further actions of the Russians (or any other civilisation).
Therefore we have not attempt to "predict" them. There is no way to say what they will actually do. They can send few tank battalions in Donbass, or start all-out "out of blue" nuclear strike against the USA.
It's not about "wishes", its about "possibilities". That's why we need not only learn what they actually have, not only what they will have soon, but also we need to calculate all possible and some impossible scenarios. Yes, this takes much more intellectual efforts, it cost much more, than just hire "an expert", who will filter and retranslate Russian propaganda, but it worth it, because the price of the possible mistake is too high.
Well, that is not about that man, no matter how smart or stupid he is or how many Russian books he has read. That is about a signal the Biden administration sends to Moscow about possible relations.

I am almost sure that the question about 'a killer' was prearranged before the Biden's interview, as was the answer. In the same interview Biden said the US will be cooperating with Russia where there is a 'mutual' interest (that is not strictly word to word, but you got the point).
Oh, "signals" may be nice, but there are two problems about them:
1) The sides can read "signals" differently;
2) The signals and even intentions don't matter. Biden is a Chinese puppet, and act in their interests. So, he will push Russia to the China and will try to force countries of the Shanghai Pact to improve their cooperation.
I think that things are a little more complicated that you are trying to imply. Yes, Russia will be more leaning toward China, but that would be the case whether Biden was in the office or not.

The signals do matter and those who should read them do it very well. No one wants a direct military conflict between two nuclear powers.
 

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Will Putin attack Ukraine again? Fighting Escalates in Eastern Ukraine, Signaling the End to Another Cease-Fire
" Ukraine and Russia issued statements on March 30 noting an escalation in fighting in a conflict that has been on low simmer for years. The Ukrainian government said four of its troops were killed in one battle. "
" As details began to emerge in late 2020 of Russia’s massive cyber-attack on the United States, there was plenty of anger and alarm but little in the way of genuine shock. ... Putin has also deployed hybrid Russian forces around the world,
unleashed teams of assassins, and attempted at least one coup in the Balkans. Russian hackers have set new standards in cyber warfare, targeting everything from political parties to essential infrastructure. ... As Churchill observed back in 1946, “there is nothing the Russians admire so much as strength, and there is nothing for which they have less respect than weakness.... Ukraine the most logical place to fight back against Russia’s hybrid war and the best opportunity to achieve a decisive victory.

whats Putin wants to achieve in Ukraine this time ? and what is the best way to repel Putin´s imperial attacks in Europe ?


related :
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Moscow GosStat´s official numbers , Google Translate :

The territory of Russia is 17.075.260 square meters. km and mainly lies north of 55 ° N.
Approximately 85% of the territory is not suitable for permanent comfortable living of the population. permafrost (areas of Siberia and the Far East) occupies 60% of the territory of Russia, swamps and wetlands almost 22%, rivers and lakes about 4%. Another part of the land is periodically flooded, part is occupied by mountains and forests, a little under ravines, part under deserts and solonchaks.

According to the State Statistics Committee's report for 2005, in Russia 2.2 million square meters of agricultural land are cultivated or used in agriculture. km, of which only 1.2 million for arable land, 0.2 million square kilometers are occupied by settlements of all types in the country. km, for industrial facilities and for military purposes 0.2 million, for other 0.1 million.
For a happy life, the Russians still have 2.561.289 square meters. km.
This is 15% of the territory ie. real Russia is slightly larger than Sudan, but less than Kazakhstan.
Average temperatures in January, in different regions, from 0 to -50 ° C, in July from 1 to 25 ° C, precipitation falls from 150 to 2000 mm per year.
At temperatures below -5 ° C, the maintenance costs of the infrastructure with each degree below zero increase exponentially.
Snow removal in the thickness of 40 cm in St. Petersburg takes more than 30 days.


Russia accounts for less than 2% of global GDP. The main export items (according to the Federal Customs Service) are gas and oil (70%), primary metals (15%), roundwood (10%), everything else, including equipment, weapons and technology - less than 5%.

According to soil scientists, 17.8% of agricultural land is subject to water erosion, 8.4% of wind erosion, 12.3% of wetlands and wetlands occupy wetlands and wetlands, and saline soils - 20.1%.
The land, not subject to all these misfortunes, in Russia is only 0.91 million square meters. km.
The agricultural season in most of Russia is 2-3 months (in Europe or the US 8-9 months). The average annual yield of cereals in Russia (on non-chernozems) is about 17 centners, in Germany, France and Great Britain (on nonchernozem) - 70 quintals per hectare, in Sweden - 60, in Ireland - 85, in Ukraine (on chernozems) - 24 in all.

The Russian state border stretches for 58,322 km and has 424 border crossings.
The total number of settlements is 157.895, of which more than 30.000 are still without telephone communication.
Most of the 39,000 abandoned villages and settlements are in the Central Federal District, the Northwest, the Far North, Siberia and the Far East.
In Russia only 65% of housing has been gasified.
Up to 75% of Russia's food needs are covered by imports.
78.7% of Russians consider cooperation with law enforcement bodies as unacceptable.
Russia consumes more than 20% of all heroin produced in the world.
The volume of the Russian market of heroin alone is estimated at $ 13 billion annually.
Every day in Russia, 100 people die because of a drug overdose.

In 2009, 786 terrorist acts were committed in Russia. Since the beginning of 2010, already 427.
The flying time of NATO strike aviation from the borders of Estonia and Latvia to St. Petersburg does not exceed 4 minutes, to Moscow - no more than 18.

Life in Russia is satisfied with two categories of people: those who are not in the know and those who are in the share.

63% of Russians with incomes above the national average would like their children to study and work abroad.
35% want their children to live abroad permanently.
At 2.000 vacancies for janitors opened in St. Petersburg in early 2010, there were fewer than 10 applicants.
The proposed salary is 12.000 rub / month.
The increase in the cost of travel in the St. Petersburg metro since 2003 is 35% per year.
Last year, more than 50 tons of explosives were seized at Russian airports.

The average Russian consumes 18 liters of alcohol per year. According to the conclusion of UN experts, the annual consumption of 8 liters of alcohol per capita leads to a serious degradation of the population.
In Russia, a pack of cigarettes can be bought for 30 cents, a bottle of beer, which can be bought at every corner 24 hours a day, is cheaper than a bottle of drinking water.
Only 1% of the water consumed by Russians meets the world quality standards.
in Russia there are 51,230 people who were exposed to radiation as a result of the Chernobyl accident.

The State Duma and the Federation Council meet 12 billionaires, whose overall condition is estimated at 41 billion dollars.
Russia has 62 billionaires with a combined capital of $ 297 billion. Russian billionaires pay the lowest taxes in the world (13%) that their colleagues in France and Sweden (57%), in Denmark (61%) or Italy (66%) %).
26% of Russians have an outstanding loan.
143,000 people were deprived of the right to travel abroad due to problems with their debts.

According to the Rosgosstrakh CSR, in Russia the annual income is more than $ 1 million from 160,000 people, the annual income of more than $ 100,000 has 440,000 falilies "

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Russia will not attack first. if Russia would, it wouldnt have moved forces for weeks, exposing 'his cards' to the public - but do a swift move. in my opinion..
 

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To those who still think that some sort of a real war between the US and Russia might happen and other ridiculous stuff.

Joe Biden is considering Matthew Rojansky as Russia director in the National Security Council. That is according to some unnamed source, so it is up to anyone to decide whether it is true or not.

Some of his opinions about Russian matters:
  • In 2017, Rojansky decried America's "Cold War style paranoia about the Russian bogeyman," acknowledging that Putin "is a huge problem for the United States" while arguing that escalation carries "unacceptable risks." He has consistently called for managing competition with Russia in a way that protects U.S. interests and minimizes risks.
  • "Russia is not going to go away," Rojansky wrote in a National Interest op-ed last year criticizing what he characterized as the overuse of sanctions. "Peaceful coexistence remains an imperative, no matter how unsavory Putin’s regime might be.

Just one more stupid Jew. He'd read few Russian books, and believe that he is "an expert".
That's wrong. There are no, and there can not be any sort of "Russia experts", "India experts" or "China experts" or even "West experts". There is no way to predict further actions of the Russians (or any other civilisation).
Therefore we have not attempt to "predict" them. There is no way to say what they will actually do. They can send few tank battalions in Donbass, or start all-out "out of blue" nuclear strike against the USA.
It's not about "wishes", its about "possibilities". That's why we need not only learn what they actually have, not only what they will have soon, but also we need to calculate all possible and some impossible scenarios. Yes, this takes much more intellectual efforts, it cost much more, than just hire "an expert", who will filter and retranslate Russian propaganda, but it worth it, because the price of the possible mistake is too high.
Well, that is not about that man, no matter how smart or stupid he is or how many Russian books he has read. That is about a signal the Biden administration sends to Moscow about possible relations.

I am almost sure that the question about 'a killer' was prearranged before the Biden's interview, as was the answer. In the same interview Biden said the US will be cooperating with Russia where there is a 'mutual' interest (that is not strictly word to word, but you got the point).
Oh, "signals" may be nice, but there are two problems about them:
1) The sides can read "signals" differently;
2) The signals and even intentions don't matter. Biden is a Chinese puppet, and act in their interests. So, he will push Russia to the China and will try to force countries of the Shanghai Pact to improve their cooperation.
I think that things are a little more complicated that you are trying to imply. Yes, Russia will be more leaning toward China, but that would be the case whether Biden was in the office or not.

The signals do matter and those who should read them do it very well. No one wants a direct military conflict between two nuclear powers.
That's how the Russians understood the "signal".


About "no one wants a direct military conflict between two nuclear powers" it is a simplification. There is plenty of people at both sides who wants exactly this.
 
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To those who still think that some sort of a real war between the US and Russia might happen and other ridiculous stuff.

Joe Biden is considering Matthew Rojansky as Russia director in the National Security Council. That is according to some unnamed source, so it is up to anyone to decide whether it is true or not.

Some of his opinions about Russian matters:
  • In 2017, Rojansky decried America's "Cold War style paranoia about the Russian bogeyman," acknowledging that Putin "is a huge problem for the United States" while arguing that escalation carries "unacceptable risks." He has consistently called for managing competition with Russia in a way that protects U.S. interests and minimizes risks.
  • "Russia is not going to go away," Rojansky wrote in a National Interest op-ed last year criticizing what he characterized as the overuse of sanctions. "Peaceful coexistence remains an imperative, no matter how unsavory Putin’s regime might be.

Just one more stupid Jew. He'd read few Russian books, and believe that he is "an expert".
That's wrong. There are no, and there can not be any sort of "Russia experts", "India experts" or "China experts" or even "West experts". There is no way to predict further actions of the Russians (or any other civilisation).
Therefore we have not attempt to "predict" them. There is no way to say what they will actually do. They can send few tank battalions in Donbass, or start all-out "out of blue" nuclear strike against the USA.
It's not about "wishes", its about "possibilities". That's why we need not only learn what they actually have, not only what they will have soon, but also we need to calculate all possible and some impossible scenarios. Yes, this takes much more intellectual efforts, it cost much more, than just hire "an expert", who will filter and retranslate Russian propaganda, but it worth it, because the price of the possible mistake is too high.
Well, that is not about that man, no matter how smart or stupid he is or how many Russian books he has read. That is about a signal the Biden administration sends to Moscow about possible relations.

I am almost sure that the question about 'a killer' was prearranged before the Biden's interview, as was the answer. In the same interview Biden said the US will be cooperating with Russia where there is a 'mutual' interest (that is not strictly word to word, but you got the point).
Oh, "signals" may be nice, but there are two problems about them:
1) The sides can read "signals" differently;
2) The signals and even intentions don't matter. Biden is a Chinese puppet, and act in their interests. So, he will push Russia to the China and will try to force countries of the Shanghai Pact to improve their cooperation.
I think that things are a little more complicated that you are trying to imply. Yes, Russia will be more leaning toward China, but that would be the case whether Biden was in the office or not.

The signals do matter and those who should read them do it very well. No one wants a direct military conflict between two nuclear powers.
That's how the Russians understood the "signal".


About "no one wants a direct military conflict between two nuclear powers" it is a simplification. There is plenty of people at both sides who wants exactly this.
That shows what some part of the Russians think. And taking into account that this outlet underlined that Rojansky is a Jew, I can assume what auditory reads this media.

I prefer Kommetsant:
 

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And that's how the sane intel vets understand the signals.

And? Actually, this link supports my point. No one wants a war.
Moscow is bluffing , but it´d be moscow the last colonial war

It's like clockwork: 2008: Russia invades Georgia 2014: Russia invades Ukraine 2021: Russian troops amass on the Ukraine border The U.S. and Europe, together, must make clear that our security/economic/political partnership with Ukraine is unbreakable.


 
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New: Current & former officials say there are no geographic restrictions on the deployment of the Javelin missiles Ukraine purchased from the U.S., and argue that Kyiv would be justified in moving the weapons to the frontlines amid Russia's buildup



Can Ukraine deploy U.S.-made weapons against the Russians?
There are no geographic restrictions on the deployment of the missiles, which means Ukrainian forces can transport, distribute and use them any time.

politico.com
 

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And that's how the sane intel vets understand the signals.

And? Actually, this link supports my point. No one wants a war.
Moscow is bluffing , but it´d be moscow the last colonial war

It's like clockwork: 2008: Russia invades Georgia 2014: Russia invades Ukraine 2021: Russian troops amass on the Ukraine border The U.S. and Europe, together, must make clear that our security/economic/political partnership with Ukraine is unbreakable.


There are no "unbreakable" things in the Nuclear Age.
 

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