Will president Trump's jackbooted thugs go door to door searching for illegals?

[Liquid Reigns]

E verify doesn't matter if they hire them UNDER THE TABLE.

Look to the states that instituted E-verify, what happened to all the illegals in those states?

Nothing. We have E Verify in Massachusetts.

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown
Alabama disagrees along with the other states that made E-verify mandatory.

Mass doesn't mandate e-verify, e-verify is only required at the govt level, private business doesn't have to use it if they don't contract with the govt.

 

[ChrisL]

Will Trump send jackbooted thugs into every neighborhood searching for illegals and anyone else deemed anti-American?

This hyperbole only shows ignorance. Trump has stated when illegals come into contact with law enforcement they will get deported, some may have to wait until they serve out their sentence. He has also stated he will institute E-verify, which will limit their ability to work, forcing some to simply return back home. Hopefully he institutes Employer checks again like Bush did, and he wants to do away with Sanctuary Cities like SF.

Cruz has stated pretty much the same thing. Rubio wants to still give them amnesty once it is "proven" to the public that illegal entry and visa overstays are under control.

Trump said those things? Well, then. It must have been Trump's evil twin who said that he would deport 12 million illegal immigrants in the first two years of his office. Does the REAL Trump think that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to "come in contact with law enforcement" in the first 2 years of his presidency, or is that his evil twin talking again? Unless he plans on unreasonable search and seizures, which is prohibited under constitutional law, he must assume that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to be arrested while in the act of some criminal activity (and being "undocumented" is not a criminal activity).

As I said, neither Trump, nor his followers give a rat's ass about the constitution.

If the laws on the books are enforced 12 million in 2 years is doable. The great thing about illegals is their constitutional protections are limited. Being in violation of orders of deportation (40%) is an infraction, EWI (60%) is a Federal Misdemeanor/felony dependent on prior EWI convictions.

And how does Donald propose we pay for this? Do you realize the back log of cases there would be? Our court system is already clogged up! Is he going to raise taxes? What's the plan?

 

[ChrisL]

E verify doesn't matter if they hire them UNDER THE TABLE.

Look to the states that instituted E-verify, what happened to all the illegals in those states?

Nothing. We have E Verify in Massachusetts.

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown
Alabama disagrees along with the other states that made E-verify mandatory.

Mass doesn't mandate e-verify, e-verify is only required at the govt level, private business doesn't have to use it if they don't contract with the govt.

Those employers who are not willing to pay for American workers should go out of business.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Will Trump send jackbooted thugs into every neighborhood searching for illegals and anyone else deemed anti-American?

This hyperbole only shows ignorance. Trump has stated when illegals come into contact with law enforcement they will get deported, some may have to wait until they serve out their sentence. He has also stated he will institute E-verify, which will limit their ability to work, forcing some to simply return back home. Hopefully he institutes Employer checks again like Bush did, and he wants to do away with Sanctuary Cities like SF.

Cruz has stated pretty much the same thing. Rubio wants to still give them amnesty once it is "proven" to the public that illegal entry and visa overstays are under control.

Trump said those things? Well, then. It must have been Trump's evil twin who said that he would deport 12 million illegal immigrants in the first two years of his office. Does the REAL Trump think that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to "come in contact with law enforcement" in the first 2 years of his presidency, or is that his evil twin talking again? Unless he plans on unreasonable search and seizures, which is prohibited under constitutional law, he must assume that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to be arrested while in the act of some criminal activity (and being "undocumented" is not a criminal activity).

As I said, neither Trump, nor his followers give a rat's ass about the constitution.

If the laws on the books are enforced 12 million in 2 years is doable. The great thing about illegals is their constitutional protections are limited. Being in violation of orders of deportation (40%) is an infraction, EWI (60%) is a Federal Misdemeanor/felony dependent on prior EWI convictions.

And how does Donald propose we pay for this? Do you realize the back log of cases there would be? Our court system is already clogged up! Is he going to raise taxes? What's the plan?

Back log of cases? EWI's can be sent packing, visa overstays with orders against them can be sent as well unless they have a legitimate claim of fear in their home country that would warrant them receiving a refugee or asylum status. If they want to obtain attorneys it is their right but immigration court doesn't require we give them attorneys. Most EWI's sign a waiver form admitting they EWI, so....

 

[Liquid Reigns]

E verify doesn't matter if they hire them UNDER THE TABLE.

Look to the states that instituted E-verify, what happened to all the illegals in those states?

Nothing. We have E Verify in Massachusetts.

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown
Alabama disagrees along with the other states that made E-verify mandatory.

Mass doesn't mandate e-verify, e-verify is only required at the govt level, private business doesn't have to use it if they don't contract with the govt.

Those employers who are not willing to pay for American workers should go out of business.

I agree, they should if the person that hired the illegals knowingly hired them. If the illegals presented documentation that passed the requirements of the I-9 form, than how do you punish the employer? Which is why E-verify should be mandated nation wide.

 

[ChrisL]

Will Trump send jackbooted thugs into every neighborhood searching for illegals and anyone else deemed anti-American?

This hyperbole only shows ignorance. Trump has stated when illegals come into contact with law enforcement they will get deported, some may have to wait until they serve out their sentence. He has also stated he will institute E-verify, which will limit their ability to work, forcing some to simply return back home. Hopefully he institutes Employer checks again like Bush did, and he wants to do away with Sanctuary Cities like SF.

Cruz has stated pretty much the same thing. Rubio wants to still give them amnesty once it is "proven" to the public that illegal entry and visa overstays are under control.

Trump said those things? Well, then. It must have been Trump's evil twin who said that he would deport 12 million illegal immigrants in the first two years of his office. Does the REAL Trump think that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to "come in contact with law enforcement" in the first 2 years of his presidency, or is that his evil twin talking again? Unless he plans on unreasonable search and seizures, which is prohibited under constitutional law, he must assume that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to be arrested while in the act of some criminal activity (and being "undocumented" is not a criminal activity).

As I said, neither Trump, nor his followers give a rat's ass about the constitution.

If the laws on the books are enforced 12 million in 2 years is doable. The great thing about illegals is their constitutional protections are limited. Being in violation of orders of deportation (40%) is an infraction, EWI (60%) is a Federal Misdemeanor/felony dependent on prior EWI convictions.

And how does Donald propose we pay for this? Do you realize the back log of cases there would be? Our court system is already clogged up! Is he going to raise taxes? What's the plan?

Back log of cases? EWI's can be sent packing, visa overstays with orders against them can be sent as well unless they have a legitimate claim of fear in their home country that would warrant them receiving a refugee or asylum status. If they want to obtain attorneys it is their right but immigration court doesn't require we give them attorneys. Most EWI's sign a waiver form admitting they EWI, so....

What are you talking about? You don't make any sense! You have to pay for manpower. You have to pay to house them while they await their . . . whatever your silly plan is!

I'm against illegal immigration, but you have to have a PLAN that makes some sense!!!

 

[ChrisL]

E verify doesn't matter if they hire them UNDER THE TABLE.

Look to the states that instituted E-verify, what happened to all the illegals in those states?

Nothing. We have E Verify in Massachusetts.

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown
Alabama disagrees along with the other states that made E-verify mandatory.

Mass doesn't mandate e-verify, e-verify is only required at the govt level, private business doesn't have to use it if they don't contract with the govt.

Those employers who are not willing to pay for American workers should go out of business.

I agree, they should if the person that hired the illegals knowingly hired them. If the illegals presented documentation that passed the requirements of the I-9 form, than how do you punish the employer? Which is why E-verify should be mandated nation wide.

It is illegal NOW to hire illegals under the table. ??? How is E verify going to change that? Most often these people are going towards construction/landscaping industries, or crop picking in places like CA.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

This hyperbole only shows ignorance. Trump has stated when illegals come into contact with law enforcement they will get deported, some may have to wait until they serve out their sentence. He has also stated he will institute E-verify, which will limit their ability to work, forcing some to simply return back home. Hopefully he institutes Employer checks again like Bush did, and he wants to do away with Sanctuary Cities like SF.

Cruz has stated pretty much the same thing. Rubio wants to still give them amnesty once it is "proven" to the public that illegal entry and visa overstays are under control.

Trump said those things? Well, then. It must have been Trump's evil twin who said that he would deport 12 million illegal immigrants in the first two years of his office. Does the REAL Trump think that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to "come in contact with law enforcement" in the first 2 years of his presidency, or is that his evil twin talking again? Unless he plans on unreasonable search and seizures, which is prohibited under constitutional law, he must assume that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to be arrested while in the act of some criminal activity (and being "undocumented" is not a criminal activity).

As I said, neither Trump, nor his followers give a rat's ass about the constitution.

If the laws on the books are enforced 12 million in 2 years is doable. The great thing about illegals is their constitutional protections are limited. Being in violation of orders of deportation (40%) is an infraction, EWI (60%) is a Federal Misdemeanor/felony dependent on prior EWI convictions.

And how does Donald propose we pay for this? Do you realize the back log of cases there would be? Our court system is already clogged up! Is he going to raise taxes? What's the plan?

Back log of cases? EWI's can be sent packing, visa overstays with orders against them can be sent as well unless they have a legitimate claim of fear in their home country that would warrant them receiving a refugee or asylum status. If they want to obtain attorneys it is their right but immigration court doesn't require we give them attorneys. Most EWI's sign a waiver form admitting they EWI, so....

What are you talking about? You don't make any sense! You have to pay for manpower. You have to pay to house them while they await their . . . whatever your silly plan is!

I'm against illegal immigration, but you have to have a PLAN that makes some sense!!!

Have to house them? Why? EWI's don't need to wait around for a hearing, they aren't entitled to one, our laws allow for them to sign an admission of guilt which allows them to be deported immediately. Visa overstays with orders against them have already had their day in court and lost. They can also be deported immediately.

 

[ChrisL]

Trump said those things? Well, then. It must have been Trump's evil twin who said that he would deport 12 million illegal immigrants in the first two years of his office. Does the REAL Trump think that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to "come in contact with law enforcement" in the first 2 years of his presidency, or is that his evil twin talking again? Unless he plans on unreasonable search and seizures, which is prohibited under constitutional law, he must assume that all 12 million illegal immigrants are going to be arrested while in the act of some criminal activity (and being "undocumented" is not a criminal activity).

As I said, neither Trump, nor his followers give a rat's ass about the constitution.

If the laws on the books are enforced 12 million in 2 years is doable. The great thing about illegals is their constitutional protections are limited. Being in violation of orders of deportation (40%) is an infraction, EWI (60%) is a Federal Misdemeanor/felony dependent on prior EWI convictions.

And how does Donald propose we pay for this? Do you realize the back log of cases there would be? Our court system is already clogged up! Is he going to raise taxes? What's the plan?

Back log of cases? EWI's can be sent packing, visa overstays with orders against them can be sent as well unless they have a legitimate claim of fear in their home country that would warrant them receiving a refugee or asylum status. If they want to obtain attorneys it is their right but immigration court doesn't require we give them attorneys. Most EWI's sign a waiver form admitting they EWI, so....

What are you talking about? You don't make any sense! You have to pay for manpower. You have to pay to house them while they await their . . . whatever your silly plan is!

I'm against illegal immigration, but you have to have a PLAN that makes some sense!!!

Have to house them? Why? EWI's don't need to wait around for a hearing, they aren't entitled to one, our laws allow for them to sign an admission of guilt which allows them to be deported immediately. Visa overstays with orders against them have already had their day in court and lost. They can also be deported immediately.

And HOW are you going to "deport" millions of people?

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Look to the states that instituted E-verify, what happened to all the illegals in those states?

Nothing. We have E Verify in Massachusetts.

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown
Alabama disagrees along with the other states that made E-verify mandatory.

Mass doesn't mandate e-verify, e-verify is only required at the govt level, private business doesn't have to use it if they don't contract with the govt.

Those employers who are not willing to pay for American workers should go out of business.

I agree, they should if the person that hired the illegals knowingly hired them. If the illegals presented documentation that passed the requirements of the I-9 form, than how do you punish the employer? Which is why E-verify should be mandated nation wide.

It is illegal NOW to hire illegals under the table. ??? How is E verify going to change that? Most often these people are going towards construction/landscaping industries, or crop picking in places like CA.

I know all about CA, I live here. It is small companies that hire illegals, and those small companies are then contracted by larger companies. In the majority of cases it is their own ethnicity that hires them illegally. The IRS should be doing a better job conducting business audits.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

If the laws on the books are enforced 12 million in 2 years is doable. The great thing about illegals is their constitutional protections are limited. Being in violation of orders of deportation (40%) is an infraction, EWI (60%) is a Federal Misdemeanor/felony dependent on prior EWI convictions.

And how does Donald propose we pay for this? Do you realize the back log of cases there would be? Our court system is already clogged up! Is he going to raise taxes? What's the plan?

Back log of cases? EWI's can be sent packing, visa overstays with orders against them can be sent as well unless they have a legitimate claim of fear in their home country that would warrant them receiving a refugee or asylum status. If they want to obtain attorneys it is their right but immigration court doesn't require we give them attorneys. Most EWI's sign a waiver form admitting they EWI, so....

What are you talking about? You don't make any sense! You have to pay for manpower. You have to pay to house them while they await their . . . whatever your silly plan is!

I'm against illegal immigration, but you have to have a PLAN that makes some sense!!!

Have to house them? Why? EWI's don't need to wait around for a hearing, they aren't entitled to one, our laws allow for them to sign an admission of guilt which allows them to be deported immediately. Visa overstays with orders against them have already had their day in court and lost. They can also be deported immediately.

And HOW are you going to "deport" millions of people?

The same way they are now, by bus, plane, and train.

 

[ChrisL]

Nothing. We have E Verify in Massachusetts.

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown
Alabama disagrees along with the other states that made E-verify mandatory.

Mass doesn't mandate e-verify, e-verify is only required at the govt level, private business doesn't have to use it if they don't contract with the govt.

Those employers who are not willing to pay for American workers should go out of business.

I agree, they should if the person that hired the illegals knowingly hired them. If the illegals presented documentation that passed the requirements of the I-9 form, than how do you punish the employer? Which is why E-verify should be mandated nation wide.

It is illegal NOW to hire illegals under the table. ??? How is E verify going to change that? Most often these people are going towards construction/landscaping industries, or crop picking in places like CA.

I know all about CA, I live here. It is small companies that hire illegals, and those small companies are then contracted by larger companies. In the majority of cases it is their own ethnicity that hires them illegally. The IRS should be doing a better job conducting business audits.

And THAT costs money too!!! Good grief. So . . . your solution is just "deport them!" Well, if that was feasible, why hasn't anyone else done it? Because it is NOT feasible or affordable. That's why.

 

[ChrisL]

You gonna have to do better and have a PLAN, and outline it and outline the costs, and who is going to pay? The taxpayers. Be ready for your taxes to go through the roof.

 

[ChrisL]

NOTHING is free. N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Trump is going to wave his magic wand, and overcome this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/us/split-second-justice-as-us-cracks-down-on-border-crossers.html

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown
Alabama disagrees along with the other states that made E-verify mandatory.

Mass doesn't mandate e-verify, e-verify is only required at the govt level, private business doesn't have to use it if they don't contract with the govt.

Those employers who are not willing to pay for American workers should go out of business.

I agree, they should if the person that hired the illegals knowingly hired them. If the illegals presented documentation that passed the requirements of the I-9 form, than how do you punish the employer? Which is why E-verify should be mandated nation wide.

It is illegal NOW to hire illegals under the table. ??? How is E verify going to change that? Most often these people are going towards construction/landscaping industries, or crop picking in places like CA.

I know all about CA, I live here. It is small companies that hire illegals, and those small companies are then contracted by larger companies. In the majority of cases it is their own ethnicity that hires them illegally. The IRS should be doing a better job conducting business audits.

And THAT costs money too!!! Good grief. So . . . your solution is just "deport them!" Well, if that was feasible, why hasn't anyone else done it? Because it is NOT feasible or affordable. That's why.

Everything costs money, they decrease the GDP by over $14B per year, that will increase as they are removed. Better allocation of funds to the departments, cut the waste.

 

[ChrisL]

Those employers who are not willing to pay for American workers should go out of business.

I agree, they should if the person that hired the illegals knowingly hired them. If the illegals presented documentation that passed the requirements of the I-9 form, than how do you punish the employer? Which is why E-verify should be mandated nation wide.

It is illegal NOW to hire illegals under the table. ??? How is E verify going to change that? Most often these people are going towards construction/landscaping industries, or crop picking in places like CA.

I know all about CA, I live here. It is small companies that hire illegals, and those small companies are then contracted by larger companies. In the majority of cases it is their own ethnicity that hires them illegally. The IRS should be doing a better job conducting business audits.

And THAT costs money too!!! Good grief. So . . . your solution is just "deport them!" Well, if that was feasible, why hasn't anyone else done it? Because it is NOT feasible or affordable. That's why.

Everything costs money, they decrease the GDP by over $14B per year, that will increase as they are removed. Better allocation of funds to the departments, cut the waste.

I've come to the realization that you really don't know what you're talking about and you have been brainwashed by the Trump machine. We need realistic solutions. Not your pie in the sky fantasies.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Trump is going to wave his magic wand, and overcome this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/us/split-second-justice-as-us-cracks-down-on-border-crossers.html

Why would he overcome it? It is what Bush did and what Obama does.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I agree, they should if the person that hired the illegals knowingly hired them. If the illegals presented documentation that passed the requirements of the I-9 form, than how do you punish the employer? Which is why E-verify should be mandated nation wide.

It is illegal NOW to hire illegals under the table. ??? How is E verify going to change that? Most often these people are going towards construction/landscaping industries, or crop picking in places like CA.

I know all about CA, I live here. It is small companies that hire illegals, and those small companies are then contracted by larger companies. In the majority of cases it is their own ethnicity that hires them illegally. The IRS should be doing a better job conducting business audits.

And THAT costs money too!!! Good grief. So . . . your solution is just "deport them!" Well, if that was feasible, why hasn't anyone else done it? Because it is NOT feasible or affordable. That's why.

Everything costs money, they decrease the GDP by over $14B per year, that will increase as they are removed. Better allocation of funds to the departments, cut the waste.

I've come to the realization that you really don't know what you're talking about and you have been brainwashed by the Trump machine. We need realistic solutions. Not your pie in the sky fantasies.

You can come to any realization you want, your issue seems to be your perceived costs of doing it while failing to recognize the costs that illegals already cost us. The faster they are removed the less they will cost us and burden us. You claim to be against illegals, yet you give NO realistic solution of your own, criticizing is easy.

Your realistic idea seems to be, grant them legalization so they are no longer illegal, problem solved until they immediately go on welfare since they work under the table they realistically have no income.

Brainwashed by the Trump machine? I've been in the illegal immigration debates for the past 15 years, long before Trump. I have been through the immigration process more than once with workers and a wife from Europe. SMFH

 

[ChrisL]

It is illegal NOW to hire illegals under the table. ??? How is E verify going to change that? Most often these people are going towards construction/landscaping industries, or crop picking in places like CA.

I know all about CA, I live here. It is small companies that hire illegals, and those small companies are then contracted by larger companies. In the majority of cases it is their own ethnicity that hires them illegally. The IRS should be doing a better job conducting business audits.

And THAT costs money too!!! Good grief. So . . . your solution is just "deport them!" Well, if that was feasible, why hasn't anyone else done it? Because it is NOT feasible or affordable. That's why.

Everything costs money, they decrease the GDP by over $14B per year, that will increase as they are removed. Better allocation of funds to the departments, cut the waste.

I've come to the realization that you really don't know what you're talking about and you have been brainwashed by the Trump machine. We need realistic solutions. Not your pie in the sky fantasies.

You can come to any realization you want, your issue seems to be your perceived costs of doing it while failing to recognize the costs that illegals already cost us. The faster they are removed the less they will cost us and burden us. You claim to be against illegals, yet you give NO realistic solution of your own, criticizing is easy.

Your realistic idea must be grant them legalization so they are no longer illegal, problem solved until they immediately go on welfare since they work under the table they realistically have no income.

It's not MY job to give solutions. I am not running for president.