Will Pelosi Send Impeachment to the Senate ?

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LOLOL

Hisses another imbecile who thinks Impeached Trump wasn't impeached.

You are a moron.

LOLOLOL

Am I supposed to care what a provable abject imbecile thinks of me? One who doesn't understand the House has sole power of impeachment and says Impeached Trump is impeached?

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someone needs to change their outdated avatar.

Mueller failed miserably. get with the times, jack!

Actually, it seems to fit Faun well. Mueller the laughingstock prop of the Democrat charade-farce machine, and Faun not doing much better in here.
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LOL

Putz, Mueller is a Republican who was appointed by a Republican who was filling in for a Republican who was also appointed by a Republica. Democrats had nothing to do with it other than to sit back and enjoy the show.

Idiot. Jeff Flake posed as a Republican. John McCain, Bob Corker, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Ben Sasse. How many more RINOs - and they weren't the jihadist ass-kisser that Mueller was.

 

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someone needs to change their outdated avatar.

Mueller failed miserably. get with the times, jack!

Mueller failed? How so? His job was to get to the truth -- are you saying he didn't get to the truth?

Meuller found the truth.............NO COLLUSION.

Sux to be you..............and that Madcow dude.

LOLOL

You poor rightard. Bless your heart. Who knows why you think that sucks for me. I always said I expected Mueller would get to the truth and that I would accept his findings no matter what he found.

And I did.

I was interested in truth and justice, not stringing Impeached Trump up for something he didn't do.

EARTH To FAUN:. the "findings" weren't his. You still don't know ?

Pheeeew !! (high-pitched whistle)

And they were not "findings". They were concoctions.

LOLOL

His finding that Impeached Trump did not collude or conspire with Russia is a concoction??

Who knew. Sounds like you think Impeached Trump colluded with Russia.

Are you feeling OK ? I mean really .

And as I said, they were no "findings". Just a big silly concoction hoax
Mueller was staged to make it look good.
Everyone in America knows (except you).

 

[Faun]

Mueller failed? How so? His job was to get to the truth -- are you saying he didn't get to the truth?

Meuller found the truth.............NO COLLUSION.

Sux to be you..............and that Madcow dude.

LOLOL

You poor rightard. Bless your heart. Who knows why you think that sucks for me. I always said I expected Mueller would get to the truth and that I would accept his findings no matter what he found.

And I did.

I was interested in truth and justice, not stringing Impeached Trump up for something he didn't do.

EARTH To FAUN:. the "findings" weren't his. You still don't know ?

Pheeeew !! (high-pitched whistle)

And they were not "findings". They were concoctions.

LOLOL

His finding that Impeached Trump did not collude or conspire with Russia is a concoction??

Who knew. Sounds like you think Impeached Trump colluded with Russia.

Are you feeling OK ? I mean really .

You said his findings were a "concoction. Your word, not mine. Well he found there was no collusion. According to you, that was just a concoction. Do you not understand what you write?

 

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Meuller found the truth.............NO COLLUSION.

Sux to be you..............and that Madcow dude.

LOLOL

You poor rightard. Bless your heart. Who knows why you think that sucks for me. I always said I expected Mueller would get to the truth and that I would accept his findings no matter what he found.

And I did.

I was interested in truth and justice, not stringing Impeached Trump up for something he didn't do.

EARTH To FAUN:. the "findings" weren't his. You still don't know ?

Pheeeew !! (high-pitched whistle)

And they were not "findings". They were concoctions.

LOLOL

His finding that Impeached Trump did not collude or conspire with Russia is a concoction??

Who knew. Sounds like you think Impeached Trump colluded with Russia.

Are you feeling OK ? I mean really .

You said his findings were a "concoction. Your word, not mine. Well he found there was no collusion. According to you, that was just a concoction. Do you not understand what you write?

It looks like YOU don't understand what I write. There were not "findings". The whole thing was a stupid set up, and Mueller was just a prop. Old news. Move on.

If Pelosi sends this latest concoction to the Senate, that benefits Republicans and Trump. The whole thing is about image (optics,) and votes

 

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LOLOLOL

Am I supposed to care what a provable abject imbecile thinks of me? One who doesn't understand the House has sole power of impeachment and says Impeached Trump is impeached?

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someone needs to change their outdated avatar.

Mueller failed miserably. get with the times, jack!

Actually, it seems to fit Faun well. Mueller the laughingstock prop of the Democrat charade-farce machine, and Faun not doing much better in here.
.

LOL

Putz, Mueller is a Republican who was appointed by a Republican who was filling in for a Republican who was also appointed by a Republica. Democrats had nothing to do with it other than to sit back and enjoy the show.

Idiot. Jeff Flake posed as a Republican. John McCain, Bob Corker, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Ben Sasse. How many more RINOs - and they weren't the jihadist ass-kisser that Mueller was.

It's really not my problem you're too senile to comprehend my post.

You don't HAVE a post.

 

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"the very Constitution we hold dear."

Faun

So sad that you can't respond to a post unless you use a meme ---- goes to intelligence of the respondent

All they have are talking points. They dont have brains or any cognitive thought abilities.

Nope, we have an impeached president too.

Sorry but President Trump is not the professional politician. Impeachment means nothing. It was expected. The acrimony Trump received around the time he decided to run for President almost guaranteed a bumpy road from all involved but Trump. For him it was a smooth ride on a brand new highway. Have any of you ever understood his business ventures and who he had to deal with at times?

LOL

He's the impeached president. Matters not if he's a professional politician or not.

Hold onto that. It might help.

 

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real independents deal in facts.

it's a fact. accept it.

I listed facts and you came back with insults. I like His policies. I am critical of the way he has handled the budget and healthcare but hopefully he fixes that in his 2nd term. I am not married to any candidate but the one candidate I liked from the Democrats was shunned and the remainder in my opinion are not electable.

you listed nothing.

Not true.

I like what he has done with lowering the corporate tax rate, moving the embassy to Jerusalem, sanctions on Iran, getting out of the Paris Accords, holding allies accountable to pay more, arming the Ukrainians (before all this Zelensky stuff), supporting Brexit, holding China accountable, reducing multiple regulations, enforcing crackdown on illegals into the US from Mexico via tariffs on Mexico so they are now enforcing their southern border, spending on the military and investing in our vets.

He has not attacked entitlements so our budget is out of whack and our healthcare system is too complex and has too many middle men. But I am not pro UH either.

I listed them again for you. And the correct verbiage is you didn’t list anything.

lowered the corp tax permanently, while only temp for worker bees. most of the cash went to stock buy backs.

the nuke deal w/ iran was keeping them in check. all the inspectors have signed off on it. NOW they are free to develope nukes thanx to donny.

YEA! more global warming!!!!

pay more but still must keep our bases in their country...because that is in OUR best interest

signed off on arming ukraine until biden entered the race... strong arming & shaking down a very vulnerable nation wanting to become part of NATO.

farmers are going belly up or needing socialistic bailouts to stay afloat. we have soybeans rotting in silos & that market will never recoup now that brazil has it.

reducing regs? what you call regs, i like to call protections. protections against dirty air, water, land... all of which donny rolled back. heaven help us if our children have to live in pre 1970's EPA conditions

MEXICO will pay for the wall? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

investing in our vets? you mean by taking cash from them to build the wall that mexico was supposta pay for?

repeal the ACA with nothing.... NOTHING to replace it is not good governing. & he wanted to take away meals on wheels for fuck's sake.

how can you trust a dude who defrauded people outa their money for a fake university? how can you trust a dude who used his charity as a personal bank account to fund his campaign? you know he stole money designated for army vets, children, meals on wheels AND for the holocaust museum? but you'll vote for him again.

Awesome Sauce that you post the Dems/Libs talking points!

That you skip over reality ..... that is some scary sh1t!!

you are welcome to dispute any of what i wrote, with unbiased credible links. no worries, i don't really expect you to even try. howeverrrrr, try to educate yerself with these unbiased links or remain one of the poorly educated dupe that donny loves long time:

lowered the corp tax permanently, while only temp for worker bees. most of the cash went to stock buy backs.

While nothing is currently set to expire in 2024, December 31st, 2025, will be a significant day for most taxpayers. Twenty-three provisions from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act directly relating to individual income taxes will expire, meaning most taxpayers will see a tax hike unless some or all provisions are extended.
A Look Ahead at Expiring Tax Provisions | Tax Foundation
US companies’ tax windfall fuels record share buybacks
By DAMIAN J. TROISEApril 4, 2019 GMT
U.S. corporations spent a record amount buying back their own shares last year, using 2017′s tax-cut windfall to reward shareholders rather than to invest or expand their businesses.
US companies' tax windfall fuels record share buybacks

the nuke deal w/ iran was keeping them in check. all the inspectors have signed off on it. NOW they are free to develope nukes thanx to donny.

World News
August 30, 2018 / 1:04 PM / a year ago
Iran is complying with nuclear deal restrictions: IAEA report
Francois Murphy, Robin Emmott
Iran is complying with nuclear deal restrictions: IAEA report

pay more but still must keep our bases in their country...because that is in OUR best interest
FactChecking Trump's NATO Remarks

What the U.S. Gets for DefendingIts Allies and Interests Abroad
By MAX FISHER and SERGIO PEÇANHA JAN. 16, 2017
What the U.S. Gets for Defending Its Allies and Interests Abroad

signed off on arming ukraine until biden entered the race... strong arming & shaking down a very vulnerable nation wanting to become part of NATO.

Pentagon announces $200 million in aid for Ukraine
By: Tara Copp   July 20, 2018
The funds will go toward “training, equipment and advisory efforts to build the defensive capacity of Ukraine’s forces,” the Pentagon said in a statement Friday.

The new funds bring the total amount of U.S. assistance to $1 billion since Russian-backed forces invaded Crimea in 2014.

The Pentagon said the funds would also “enhance Ukraine’s command and control, situational awareness systems, secure communications, military mobility, night vision, and military medical treatment.”
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... r-ukraine/

farmers are going belly up or needing socialistic bailouts to stay afloat. we have soybeans rotting in silos & that market will never recoup now that brazil has it.

Farmers are slamming Trump's $28 billion farm bailout — more than double Obama's 2009 payment to automakers — as a 'Band-Aid'
Yusuf Khan Sep. 23, 2019, 10:24 AM
Farmers are slamming Trump's $28 billion farm bailout — more than double Obama's 2009 payment to automakers — as a 'Band-Aid' | Markets Insider

Business News
November 25, 2019 / 11:59 AM / a month ago
Chinese importers scoop up Brazilian soybeans amid U.S. trade uncertainty
Hallie Gu, Dominique Patton
Chinese importers scoop up Brazilian soybeans amid U.S. trade uncertainty

YEA! more global warming!!!!
reducing regs? what you call regs, i like to call protections. protections against dirty air, water, land... all of which donny rolled back. heaven help us if our children have to live in pre 1970's EPA conditions

Trump Formally Begins U.S. Withdrawal From Paris Climate Agreement in Latest Effort to Roll Back Regulations
November 4, 2019
U.S. Will Withdraw From Paris Climate Agreement, Trump Tells UN

A running list of how President Trump is changing environmental policy
The Trump administration has promised vast changes to U.S. science and environmental policy—and we’re tracking them here as they happen.

75 Minute Read By Michael Greshko, Laura Parker, Brian Clark Howard, Daniel Stone, Alejandra Borunda, and Sarah GibbensPUBLISHED May 3, 2019
A running list of how President Trump is changing environmental policy

MEXICO will pay for the wall? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


investing in our vets? you mean by taking cash from them to build the wall that mexico was supposta pay for?

Pentagon Releases List of Military Construction Projects Paused to Fund Border Wall
4 Sep 2019

Military.com | By Richard Sisk

Some 127 military construction projects will be put on hold to divert $3.6 billion in funding to a wall at the Southwest border. And that money may never be refunded, a senior Defense Department official said Wednesday.
Pentagon Releases List of Military Construction Projects Paused to Fund Border Wall

repeal the ACA with nothing.... NOTHING to replace it is not good governing. & he wanted to take away meals on wheels for fuck's sake.

https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/19/19-10011-CV0.pdf

'We can't spend money on programs just because they sound good': Trump budget would slash funding from program that feeds 2 million seniors
Eliza RelmanMar 16, 2017, 7:07 PM
President Donald Trump's proposed budget, unveiled on Thursday, would cut federal funding for Meals on Wheels, a program that provides daily meals to millions of low-income seniors across the country.
'We can't spend money on programs just because they sound good': Trump budget would slash funding from program that feeds 2 million seniors

how can you trust a dude who defrauded people outa their money for a fake university?
$25M deal over Trump University fraud lawsuits moves forward

how can you trust a dude who used his charity as a personal bank account to fund his campaign?

you know he stole money designated for army vets, children, meals on wheels AND for the holocaust museum? but you'll vote for him again

Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds

As part of a resolution of the lawsuit announced on November 7th, Trump was ordered to pay $2 million, or $250,000, a piece to eight different charities. Those charities are Army Emergency Relief, the Children’s Aid Society, Citymeals-on-Wheels, Give an Hour, Martha’s Table, the United Negro College Fund, the United Way of National Capital Area, and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. Additionally, Trump was forced to reimburse his namesake foundation $11,525 for sports paraphernalia and champagne purchased at a charity gala, which was added to $1,797,598.30 already in the foundation’s bank account. The combined $1,809,123.30 was split evenly and recently transferred to the eight agreed upon charities. Each charity ended up receiving a total of $476,140.41.
Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds | New York State Attorney General

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fb...tId=JLJih9v_PLUS_EKSuJs36THzexg==&system=prod

gotta say how much fun i have slapping down basket dwellers. i always back up my claims with facts.

 

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blah blah fucking blah.............

The story of Plaything's life. Anytime a Tard hears a fact that doesn't sit squarely with their contrived model of reality, they just stick their fingers in the ears (or somewhere).

i see you learned the art of projection from your dear leader quite well.

 

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Who was the last (R) you voted for?

it means that i am not a partisan stooge.

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OH THAT IS RIPE! It takes guts to be that openly delusional in front of 40,000 people with a straight face. Do you practice before a mirror?

lol... you know not of which you speak little basket dweller.

want some names? phil giordano... joe santopetro ... john rowland... jody rell - all republicans.

i voted for ralph nader in 2000 against gore & my own state senator.... just to name a few.

funny how they all turned out to become CONvicted criminals after being voted into office (except for governor rell )

go google the first one...lol..... & after you find out what they did, come back & tell me how many (D)s or green party candidates you voted for m'k? then we can compare.

 

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lol.......... of course you hafta see it that way. howeverrrrrrrrrrr- his twitter tantrums are increasing & it's obvious to educated bipeds that the poor orange man baby isn't having a good time during his vacation.

So what ? And he's not having as bad a time as the Democrats. He's the president of the United States.

They are just a bunch of powerless clowns

so you think the prez should have more power than congress? oh, donny is freaking out all right. he will fight tooth & nail to stay in office, because the second he leaves - he's a marked man by NYS.

Equal. All three branches have equal power. And Congress didn’t impeach him, roughly 54% of it did. 100% partisan and 4 Democrats chose not to.

it was a simple majority - & that is all it takes for articles to pass & become written in the history books. tulsi chose to be a coward & voted 'present'... that is not taking a stand. THE most important vote to date re: tinkles & she turned yellow.

It was purely partisan.

Opposition to impeachment was bi partisan.

those that would have voted if not for the fact it wasn't behind closed doors have yellow streaks on their back. perhaps some will semi-redeem themselves & vote on rules that require witness' & hard copy docs. it will only take 4 to do it. we shall see.

 

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Can anyone cite any laws that Speaker Pelosi is violating by withholding the articles of impeachment until she has some assurance of a fair trial in the Senate? She is certainly not violating the Constitution.

She can hold them along with her breath until she turns blue, but she has no control over the Senate.

the senate nor the executive branch have any control over the house.

 

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They know that they do not have voted in the Senate Coolio it is an obvious political campaign stunt

it's not a campaign stunt, it is a maneuver to get the Senate to have an impartial trial with witnesses, and NOT a SHAM trial as Moscow Mitch, proposed and guaranteed on FOX news....

and her plan is working... looks like they have the Alaskan Senator willing to vote with Dems on witnesses, just two more needed or maybe three more, to guarantee, witnesses and evidence, can be brought forward in the trial.

Opening that door just gives McConnell a free hand to call whom he wants to call.

McConnell can do anything he wants. Peloser has zip to do about it.

turtle boy needs to have at least 51 (R)s to vote on any given rule. he cannot do anything he wants.

 

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Nope. There will not be a trial. This was a 100% partisan impeachment. See when you post your own thoughts you look stupid.

Nope. There will not be a trial. This was a 100% partisan impeachment. See when you post your own thoughts you look stupid.

How will Moscow Mitch duck his Constitutional obligation to hold a trail?

There is no impeachment yet, so no trial is needed. Nazi created a clusterfuck, and I'm loving every minute of it.

LOL

Dumbfuck, the Constitution states...

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.​

AND the Constitution states...

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.​

Meaning impeachment is what the House says it is. And the House says Impeached Trump was impeached on 12.18.2019 when the House adopted articles of impeachment against Impeached Trump...

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You are dumb as a stump, Spunky.

And the Constitution says the Senate "SHALL TRY ALL IMPEACHMENTS". If Nazi doesn't send it to the Senate, they can't try, and therefore there is no impeachment.

Stay stupid, Simpleton. Giving you your daily beatdown is fun.

Isn’t it funny they don’t believe the scholar who says it isn’t impeachment until the senate receives the articles. Their own guy says it isn’t. Now that’s stupid

& the (R)s own guy disputes that.

Jonathan Turley refutes Dem lawyer, says Trump was impeached despite withheld articles

 

[hadit]

Can anyone cite any laws that Speaker Pelosi is violating by withholding the articles of impeachment until she has some assurance of a fair trial in the Senate? She is certainly not violating the Constitution.

She can hold them along with her breath until she turns blue, but she has no control over the Senate.

the senate nor the executive branch have any control over the house.

And the last I checked, they're not trying to. She, OTOH, is trying to dictate terms under which she will fulfill her Constitutional duty to deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate. McConnell should give her nothing.

 

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All they have are talking points. They dont have brains or any cognitive thought abilities.

Nope, we have an impeached president too.

Sorry but President Trump is not the professional politician. Impeachment means nothing. It was expected. The acrimony Trump received around the time he decided to run for President almost guaranteed a bumpy road from all involved but Trump. For him it was a smooth ride on a brand new highway. Have any of you ever understood his business ventures and who he had to deal with at times?

Yep, impeach 45 was yelled before he was ever sworn in. The book was leaked then. And means nothing today. The left can all go out and drink that their party was partisan and trump is still president. Will be today and in November. Not a fking thing you left fks can do about it.

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If it meant nothing, you yahoos wouldn't be on here day and night insisting he hasn't been impeached.

It isn’t us, it is the Constitutional Expert on Impeachment the Dimwingers brought in to educate them on impeachment.

^^^ typical basket dweller, i gave you a di-rect link.... from YOUR precious fox news stating the (R)s own 'witness' says donny has been impeached ^^^

 

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Nope, we have an impeached president too.

Sorry but President Trump is not the professional politician. Impeachment means nothing. It was expected. The acrimony Trump received around the time he decided to run for President almost guaranteed a bumpy road from all involved but Trump. For him it was a smooth ride on a brand new highway. Have any of you ever understood his business ventures and who he had to deal with at times?

Yep, impeach 45 was yelled before he was ever sworn in. The book was leaked then. And means nothing today. The left can all go out and drink that their party was partisan and trump is still president. Will be today and in November. Not a fking thing you left fks can do about it.

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If it meant nothing, you yahoos wouldn't be on here day and night insisting he hasn't been impeached.

It isn’t us, it is the Constitutional Expert on Impeachment the Dimwingers brought in to educate them on impeachment.

LOLOL

You mean this Constitutional expert?

"@NoahRFeldman is making a clever but wholly mistaken point when he says Trump hasn’t “really” been impeached until the Articles reach the Senate. Under Art. I, Sec. 2, Clause 5, he was impeached on Dec 18, 2019. He will forever remain impeached. Period." ~ Laurence Tribe​

... or this Constitutional expert ...

"He would withhold the trial until the Senate agreed to change its rules, or presumably until a new election put many more Democrats in the Senate. Under his proposal, there might never be a Senate trial, but the impeachment would stand as a final and permanent condemnation of President Trump." ~ Alan Dershowitz​

&

Jonathan Turley refutes Dem lawyer, says Trump was impeached despite withheld articles.

 

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The Constitution and the House and Senate rules are quite clear.

Which means you don't know squat about the Constitution, or the House and Senate rules.


keep playing...

Faun is a moron....

LOL

Slobbers a flaming imbecile who thinks Impeached Trump wasn't impeached.

Until Pelosi has the balls to send it to the senate I and most people will consider the impeachment in limbo....

silly you..............


you don't matter.

 

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Can anyone cite any laws that Speaker Pelosi is violating by withholding the articles of impeachment until she has some assurance of a fair trial in the Senate? She is certainly not violating the Constitution.

She can hold them along with her breath until she turns blue, but she has no control over the Senate.

the senate nor the executive branch have any control over the house.

And the last I checked, they're not trying to. She, OTOH, is trying to dictate terms under which she will fulfill her Constitutional duty to deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate. McConnell should give her nothing.

auCONtraire - they were talking about holding a trial without the articles.... that didn't last long, though, because apparently it can't be done. you think turtleboy wouldn't have done it if he could?

 

[hadit]

Can anyone cite any laws that Speaker Pelosi is violating by withholding the articles of impeachment until she has some assurance of a fair trial in the Senate? She is certainly not violating the Constitution.

She can hold them along with her breath until she turns blue, but she has no control over the Senate.

the senate nor the executive branch have any control over the house.

And the last I checked, they're not trying to. She, OTOH, is trying to dictate terms under which she will fulfill her Constitutional duty to deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate. McConnell should give her nothing.

auCONtraire - they were talking about holding a trial without the articles.... that didn't last long, though, because apparently it can't be done. you think turtleboy wouldn't have done it if he could?

They can still vote the thing out of existence immediately upon arrival, and there's nothing she can do about it.

 

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someone needs to change their outdated avatar.

Mueller failed miserably. get with the times, jack!

Mueller failed? How so? His job was to get to the truth -- are you saying he didn't get to the truth?

Meuller found the truth.............NO COLLUSION.

Sux to be you..............and that Madcow dude.

LOLOL

You poor rightard. Bless your heart. Who knows why you think that sucks for me. I always said I expected Mueller would get to the truth and that I would accept his findings no matter what he found.

And I did.

I was interested in truth and justice, not stringing Impeached Trump up for something he didn't do.

EARTH To FAUN:. the "findings" weren't his. You still don't know ?

Pheeeew !! (high-pitched whistle)

And they were not "findings". They were concoctions.

LOLOL

His finding that Impeached Trump did not collude or conspire with Russia is a concoction??

Who knew. Sounds like you think Impeached Trump colluded with Russia.

actually, mueller didn't state there was no conspiracy, but rather he couldn't definitely determine whether it happened or not because of 'insufficient' evidence. that is differant than saying there wasn't any. the reason being that evidence was destroyed & people took the fifth (which means questioning ends).

Mueller says messaging apps likely destroyed Trump-Russia evidence
Tech challenges prevented special counsel from establishing full picture of what happened
Mueller says messaging apps likely destroyed Trump-Russia evidence

On a number of important questions, Mueller never got answers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...t-questions-robert-mueller-never-got-answers/

not to mention donny was a coward & only gave written answers - most of which (despite claiming to have the most remarkable memory a human ever had ) he answered with 'i don't recall'.