CDZ Will our Republic be gone within a year if Trump remains President

[kwc57]

Krugman is so often wrong and his partisan hackery discredited, I can't give anything he has to say any merit. The United States as a nation can/has endured many a bad president. We are still standing after the last 8 years, so I have confidence in the next 4.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yet we have had posters in other threads say already this morning that Trump is more inept than Obama.

If it were only a matter of ineptness, kwc, I might agree with you.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year
By Hrafnkell Haraldsson on Tue, Jan 31st, 2017 at 10:43 am

"Either he or the republic, in any meaningful sense, will be gone quite soon. I have a hard time seeing one year, let alone four"

Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year

Jake, Krugman is bordering on sedition. Should we drag up your thoughts on the topic of sedition

 

[martybegan]

Trump and many, certainly not all, of his supporters are indeed threats to American democracy.

Coyote, you are right that Congress may be his biggest obstacle to rupturing our ur documents of governance.

How has he so far threatened "American Democracy?"

Progressives have been spending decades trying to eliminate the federal nature of the republic by placing more and more power at the federal level. What specifically is Trump doing to ruin us?

You need to read Krugman and respond to his arguments. Yiosthey has already shown one of the problems: he wants free speech eliminated.

Putting someone on ignore is not "wanting free speech eliminated". To me its childish, but I don't begrudge a person wanting to screen their own content.

Again, Krugman is the guy who said the markets would tank on a Trump win. Why would I waste my time on him if he was that wrong just recently?

Finally, the real speech suppression is coming from the left, not the right, or do you ignore all the Milo shows that had to be cancelled due to the heckler's veto?

Thank you for addressing the subject. I disagree with you about yiosthey: he truly thinks free speech is a bad thing and is anti-democracy. The markets have not tanked, yet, in the first ten days, so we can't make much of a decision on that. Youtube is a business and can regulate its own content. You believe in little regulation of business, so think about what you wrote.

Krugman was harping that the markets would tank the DAY AFTER the election, not after inauguration, not 3 months from now.

Screening ones own content is not having the content provider screen things for you.

Hell, the more I think of it, the more I would like to see Twitter, Facebook, youtube, etc regulated as a "commons" where content neutrality has to be enforced.

 

[FA_Q2]

Bloviating garbage. The Republic has survived far worse than Trump and will continue after him.

 

[JakeStarkey]

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Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year
By Hrafnkell Haraldsson on Tue, Jan 31st, 2017 at 10:43 am

"Either he or the republic, in any meaningful sense, will be gone quite soon. I have a hard time seeing one year, let alone four"

Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year

Jake, Krugman is bordering on sedition. Should we drag up your thoughts on the topic of sedition

Talking about autocratic sedition, which he fears from Trump, is not sedition in terms of the 1st Amendment.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trump and many, certainly not all, of his supporters are indeed threats to American democracy.

Coyote, you are right that Congress may be his biggest obstacle to rupturing our ur documents of governance.

How has he so far threatened "American Democracy?"

Progressives have been spending decades trying to eliminate the federal nature of the republic by placing more and more power at the federal level. What specifically is Trump doing to ruin us?

You need to read Krugman and respond to his arguments. Yiosthey has already shown one of the problems: he wants free speech eliminated.

Putting someone on ignore is not "wanting free speech eliminated". To me its childish, but I don't begrudge a person wanting to screen their own content.

Again, Krugman is the guy who said the markets would tank on a Trump win. Why would I waste my time on him if he was that wrong just recently?

Finally, the real speech suppression is coming from the left, not the right, or do you ignore all the Milo shows that had to be cancelled due to the heckler's veto?

Thank you for addressing the subject. I disagree with you about yiosthey: he truly thinks free speech is a bad thing and is anti-democracy. The markets have not tanked, yet, in the first ten days, so we can't make much of a decision on that. Youtube is a business and can regulate its own content. You believe in little regulation of business, so think about what you wrote.

Krugman was harping that the markets would tank the DAY AFTER the election, not after inauguration, not 3 months from now.

Screening ones own content is not having the content provider screen things for you.

Hell, the more I think of it, the more I would like to see Twitter, Facebook, youtube, etc regulated as a "commons" where content neutrality has to be enforced.

As should public business. OK. I believe in fairness doctrine.

 

[martybegan]

How has he so far threatened "American Democracy?"

Progressives have been spending decades trying to eliminate the federal nature of the republic by placing more and more power at the federal level. What specifically is Trump doing to ruin us?

You need to read Krugman and respond to his arguments. Yiosthey has already shown one of the problems: he wants free speech eliminated.

Putting someone on ignore is not "wanting free speech eliminated". To me its childish, but I don't begrudge a person wanting to screen their own content.

Again, Krugman is the guy who said the markets would tank on a Trump win. Why would I waste my time on him if he was that wrong just recently?

Finally, the real speech suppression is coming from the left, not the right, or do you ignore all the Milo shows that had to be cancelled due to the heckler's veto?

Thank you for addressing the subject. I disagree with you about yiosthey: he truly thinks free speech is a bad thing and is anti-democracy. The markets have not tanked, yet, in the first ten days, so we can't make much of a decision on that. Youtube is a business and can regulate its own content. You believe in little regulation of business, so think about what you wrote.

Krugman was harping that the markets would tank the DAY AFTER the election, not after inauguration, not 3 months from now.

Screening ones own content is not having the content provider screen things for you.

Hell, the more I think of it, the more I would like to see Twitter, Facebook, youtube, etc regulated as a "commons" where content neutrality has to be enforced.

As should public business. OK. I believe in fairness doctrine.

Not the fairness doctrine, which i see as a way of squelching speech, but a simple rule that a person's Social Media account can't be banned for political reasons. You don't need forced balance, but maybe we need forced moderation.

The issue is that social media has become a public forum, it's the modern town square. Government cannot suppress speech due to content in the town square, why should social media companies be able to do so in it's modern incantation?

 

[tyroneweaver]

if it is it will libs going off the deep end will be the cause

Respond to the OP, please. The issue is Trump at the moment.

Ok
I have a new hero. Donald J. Trump.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Kinda hope it's the republic, perhaps the american people will rise up then.

 

[Fenton Lum]

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Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year
By Hrafnkell Haraldsson on Tue, Jan 31st, 2017 at 10:43 am

"Either he or the republic, in any meaningful sense, will be gone quite soon. I have a hard time seeing one year, let alone four"

Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year

Isn't he also one of the guys that predicted a Stock Market Freefall upon the election of Trump?

Just because government isn't doing what you want it to do anymore doesn't mean the downfall of the government.

I lived with Bush then Obama, marty. Neither, in my opinion, are the threat that Krugman perceives with Trump.

I don't know if it so much Trump as it is people like Conway and Bannon in such important positions in the admin,.

Yes, non-statists are finally running the show. I guess power back to the people is a troubling thing to you.

Many of us would love to see it happen, it certainly has not yet and is a long time in coming.

 

[peach174]

Trump is turning us back to our Republic that we should be.
Unlike the Dems who was turning us into a European social democracy.

 

[Coyote]

Guys, this is in the CDZ. No flaming, no derailing, consider it an exercise in self-discipline and civil discourse.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Since when is a meme "flaming"?

 

[Coyote]

Since when is a meme "flaming"?

That particular one was off topic/trolling - it's not really conducive to civil discourse is it?

 

[oldsoul]

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Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year
By Hrafnkell Haraldsson on Tue, Jan 31st, 2017 at 10:43 am

"Either he or the republic, in any meaningful sense, will be gone quite soon. I have a hard time seeing one year, let alone four"

Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year

From the article, "In other words, Donald Trump’s repeated and willful violations of the Constitution are going to see him dictator by consent of the GOP or impeached. Republicans have to choose."
Now, let's go back a few years and change a couple things:
In other words, Barack Obama’s repeated and willful violations of the Constitution are going to see him dictator by consent of the DNC or impeached. Democrats have to choose.
Sound familiar?

 

[oldsoul]

Trump and many, certainly not all, of his supporters are indeed threats to American democracy.

Coyote, you are right that Congress may be his biggest obstacle to rupturing our ur documents of governance.

Threats to "American Democracy". See that's the problem, America isn't a democracy, it's a republic. Yes, there is a difference. Yes, they share some similarities, yet they are really quite different.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I don't think even Trump can destroy it. Even a friendly congress can turn unfriendly at presidential overreach and illegal activities.

What I see as more likely, is we become the target of more terrorist attacks.

The republic is going nowhere, now we have real Americans in charge. The left would be wise to sit down and get out of the way....that and figure out why they lost any power they had. America is weary of your nonsense

 

[JustAnotherNut]

if it is it will libs going off the deep end will be the cause

Respond to the OP, please. The issue is Trump at the moment.

Actually this is the issue.....The title of the thread is "will our republic be gone within a year if trump remains president". The thing is, it's very possible that our republic will be gone within that year (more or less).....but not as much a direct result of him holding office or what he does for policy......but more because of the hardline opposition

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am interested in posters' votes and reactions. Remember that we are in the CDZ, so we have to be relatively polite in this discussion.


Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year
By Hrafnkell Haraldsson on Tue, Jan 31st, 2017 at 10:43 am

"Either he or the republic, in any meaningful sense, will be gone quite soon. I have a hard time seeing one year, let alone four"

Paul Krugman Warns Either Trump or the Republic Will Be Gone Within a Year

Isn't he also one of the guys that predicted a Stock Market Freefall upon the election of Trump?

Just because government isn't doing what you want it to do anymore doesn't mean the downfall of the government.

I lived with Bush then Obama, marty. Neither, in my opinion, are the threat that Krugman perceives with Trump.

I don't know if it so much Trump as it is people like Conway and Bannon in such important positions in the admin,.

Yes, non-statists are finally running the show. I guess power back to the people is a troubling thing to you.

Trump is not for the people, at all, you know that. He is for himself and the big corporations. Bannon wants to destroy the foundation of the Constitution and Conway is revealing herself as a fascist more each day.