Will it ever stop? Please make it stop . . ..

[P F Tinmore]

But talks collapsed in 2000​

As they were designed to do.

LINK from a non partisan source

The so called peace process is based on the old partition plan that was first rejected in 1937 and numerous times since.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again while expecting different results.

Rejected by the arab muslims so why should the Israeli's accept it now. But the partion plan of 1937 said nothing about right of return or reparation.

The proposals at Camp David were laid out and arafat did not even sit down, he said NO NO NO and walked off.

The deal sucked. Arafat was right to turn it down.

98% of the land they claimed with a negotiation on the other 2%, East Jerusalem as their Capital, limited right of return, An arial road linking gaza and the west bank and withdrawal of all Israeli troops. Wha tsucks about that ?

Your leaving out the clunkers.

 

[pbel]

Will it ever stop?Op-Ed: Europe is Gone

To Europe, the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge on the Jews for surviving.

Europe has never forgiven Israel for that trial and verdict. It is well aware that it is guilty but can never own up to this guilt. Therefore, in line with its time-honored obsession with the Jewish people and its innate necessity to scapegoat Jews for all of Europe's problems, Europe has turned its enmity in an unremitting fashion against the Jewish state.

Israel should be pilloried and boycotted, delegitimized and isolated, while the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge against the Jews for surviving the Holocaust and thereby instilling the unease and guilt that Europe feels towards Jews, Judaism and the Jewish state.


Europe is Gone - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Europeans definitely scapegoated Jews, but why should the Palestinians who had nothing to do with the Holocaust have to suffer similar abuse in losing their homes and possessions to a Jewish State that has been absent for 2,000 years?

You want to talk about something else now? I was posting about the Europeans.

Then why are you on this thread?

Because I want to be.

Ru a juvenile wanabe?

 

[Mindful]

Will it ever stop?Op-Ed: Europe is Gone

To Europe, the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge on the Jews for surviving.

Europe has never forgiven Israel for that trial and verdict. It is well aware that it is guilty but can never own up to this guilt. Therefore, in line with its time-honored obsession with the Jewish people and its innate necessity to scapegoat Jews for all of Europe's problems, Europe has turned its enmity in an unremitting fashion against the Jewish state.

Israel should be pilloried and boycotted, delegitimized and isolated, while the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge against the Jews for surviving the Holocaust and thereby instilling the unease and guilt that Europe feels towards Jews, Judaism and the Jewish state.


Europe is Gone - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Europeans definitely scapegoated Jews, but why should the Palestinians who had nothing to do with the Holocaust have to suffer similar abuse in losing their homes and possessions to a Jewish State that has been absent for 2,000 years?

You want to talk about something else now? I was posting about the Europeans.

Then why are you on this thread?

Because I want to be.

Ru a juvenile wanabe?

Not particularly.

 

[Coyote]

To quote you - how about some unbiased and reputable sources Phoenall? Something from actual historians maybe, not the Christian Broadcasting Network, or some anonymous youtube. This isn't "crunching the numbers" - it's just slamming Islam.

He doesn't need to prove a people/nation/entity existed - YOU do.

I don't have to prove anything.

Historical data shows that the indiginous population of that area comprise a variety of ethnic and religious groups prior to any mass immigrations from either Arab states or Europe. Whatever you choose to call them - they were there.

Which should not be too difficult - if it were the truth, which it isn't. I can easily prove Spain has existed for centuries, there is a lot of information, there is a common language, culture, identity, etc., but THERE IS NONE for the sparse few nomadic arab muslims living in the west bank and gaza, the vast majority of whom immigrated to those areas from the 1910s forward.

There is data from the Ottoman's on the populations in those areas.

The census data shows it, the facts and history on the ground show it - the ******* arab leaders themselves have admitted that the "palestinian" as a concept presenting an arab muslim identity was artificially manufactured to counter the unassailable holocaust-suffering jew by the KGB, arafat and his russian handlers.

The people pre-existed the name. Are you claiming they were non-existent and only Jews inhabited those lands?

YOU are the one claiming that there was a unique, singular, uniform identity of arab muslims living there - tell us what language they spoke, national flag, who formed its government? What were its civic institutions? What was the name of its electrical power company, or its police force? How about its army?

I am claiming that there were people living there, who had lived there for centuries. Are you claiming that only Jews lived there?

The fact of the matter is that large numbers of arab muslims, as is typical for their shit culture of parasites/viruses, saw the jews forming a country and operating farms successfully, so they moved en masse for economic reasons - just like the mexicans/central american filth sneaking into the US - and then once they achieved sufficient mass, decided to take the land/country for themselves, started a genocidal war, and lost. Had that ******* filth won, they would have done what arab muslims have done for 1,400 years; murder all the men, and enslave the women and children.

The fact of the matter is people were there, they are now called Palestinians and many of them have a long history there and others are immigrants (not too different from the Jews). They aren't simply going to disappear for the convenience of Israel no matter how desperately you want to disenfranchise them.

YOU need to prove that there was a substantial, singular country made up of arab muslims existing BEFORE 1948 - good luck with that.

Why the **** do I need to prove that? That was never my claim and that is not what we base people's rights on.

 

[Phoenall]

Will it ever stop?Op-Ed: Europe is Gone

To Europe, the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge on the Jews for surviving.

Europe has never forgiven Israel for that trial and verdict. It is well aware that it is guilty but can never own up to this guilt. Therefore, in line with its time-honored obsession with the Jewish people and its innate necessity to scapegoat Jews for all of Europe's problems, Europe has turned its enmity in an unremitting fashion against the Jewish state.

Israel should be pilloried and boycotted, delegitimized and isolated, while the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge against the Jews for surviving the Holocaust and thereby instilling the unease and guilt that Europe feels towards Jews, Judaism and the Jewish state.


Europe is Gone - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Not in the Europe I live in, that is were the muslims as a whole are hated and detested by the majority of decent people, The Jews are welcomed and given the hand of friendship. The author of this load of propaganda knows nothing about Europe were recent polls have shown the vast majority of people want islam and the muslims kicking out.

The Jews shouldn't have to be "welcomed and given the hand of friendship". That still sets them apart. Considering they made Europe what it is/was. Culturally, financially, you name it.

And the USA dont forget, without the Jews turning to banking you would still be living in Squalor

 

[pbel]

Will it ever stop?Op-Ed: Europe is Gone

To Europe, the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge on the Jews for surviving.

Europe has never forgiven Israel for that trial and verdict. It is well aware that it is guilty but can never own up to this guilt. Therefore, in line with its time-honored obsession with the Jewish people and its innate necessity to scapegoat Jews for all of Europe's problems, Europe has turned its enmity in an unremitting fashion against the Jewish state.

Israel should be pilloried and boycotted, delegitimized and isolated, while the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge against the Jews for surviving the Holocaust and thereby instilling the unease and guilt that Europe feels towards Jews, Judaism and the Jewish state.


Europe is Gone - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Not in the Europe I live in, that is were the muslims as a whole are hated and detested by the majority of decent people, The Jews are welcomed and given the hand of friendship. The author of this load of propaganda knows nothing about Europe were recent polls have shown the vast majority of people want islam and the muslims kicking out.

The Jews shouldn't have to be "welcomed and given the hand of friendship". That still sets them apart. Considering they made Europe what it is/was. Culturally, financially, you name it.

And the USA dont forget, without the Jews turning to banking you would still be living in Squalor

As usual, you twist and lie...People like Ford, Carnegie and Morgan made America a power-house and none of those men were of the Jewish faith.

 

[Mindful]

Will it ever stop?Op-Ed: Europe is Gone

To Europe, the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge on the Jews for surviving.

Europe has never forgiven Israel for that trial and verdict. It is well aware that it is guilty but can never own up to this guilt. Therefore, in line with its time-honored obsession with the Jewish people and its innate necessity to scapegoat Jews for all of Europe's problems, Europe has turned its enmity in an unremitting fashion against the Jewish state.

Israel should be pilloried and boycotted, delegitimized and isolated, while the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge against the Jews for surviving the Holocaust and thereby instilling the unease and guilt that Europe feels towards Jews, Judaism and the Jewish state.


Europe is Gone - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Not in the Europe I live in, that is were the muslims as a whole are hated and detested by the majority of decent people, The Jews are welcomed and given the hand of friendship. The author of this load of propaganda knows nothing about Europe were recent polls have shown the vast majority of people want islam and the muslims kicking out.

The Jews shouldn't have to be "welcomed and given the hand of friendship". That still sets them apart. Considering they made Europe what it is/was. Culturally, financially, you name it.

And the USA dont forget, without the Jews turning to banking you would still be living in Squalor

In the USA?

 

[aris2chat]

To quote you - how about some unbiased and reputable sources Phoenall? Something from actual historians maybe, not the Christian Broadcasting Network, or some anonymous youtube. This isn't "crunching the numbers" - it's just slamming Islam.

He doesn't need to prove a people/nation/entity existed - YOU do.

I don't have to prove anything.

Historical data shows that the indiginous population of that area comprise a variety of ethnic and religious groups prior to any mass immigrations from either Arab states or Europe. Whatever you choose to call them - they were there.

Which should not be too difficult - if it were the truth, which it isn't. I can easily prove Spain has existed for centuries, there is a lot of information, there is a common language, culture, identity, etc., but THERE IS NONE for the sparse few nomadic arab muslims living in the west bank and gaza, the vast majority of whom immigrated to those areas from the 1910s forward.

There is data from the Ottoman's on the populations in those areas.

The census data shows it, the facts and history on the ground show it - the ******* arab leaders themselves have admitted that the "palestinian" as a concept presenting an arab muslim identity was artificially manufactured to counter the unassailable holocaust-suffering jew by the KGB, arafat and his russian handlers.

The people pre-existed the name. Are you claiming they were non-existent and only Jews inhabited those lands?

YOU are the one claiming that there was a unique, singular, uniform identity of arab muslims living there - tell us what language they spoke, national flag, who formed its government? What were its civic institutions? What was the name of its electrical power company, or its police force? How about its army?

I am claiming that there were people living there, who had lived there for centuries. Are you claiming that only Jews lived there?

The fact of the matter is that large numbers of arab muslims, as is typical for their shit culture of parasites/viruses, saw the jews forming a country and operating farms successfully, so they moved en masse for economic reasons - just like the mexicans/central american filth sneaking into the US - and then once they achieved sufficient mass, decided to take the land/country for themselves, started a genocidal war, and lost. Had that ******* filth won, they would have done what arab muslims have done for 1,400 years; murder all the men, and enslave the women and children.

The fact of the matter is people were there, they are now called Palestinians and many of them have a long history there and others are immigrants (not too different from the Jews). They aren't simply going to disappear for the convenience of Israel no matter how desperately you want to disenfranchise them.

YOU need to prove that there was a substantial, singular country made up of arab muslims existing BEFORE 1948 - good luck with that.

Why the **** do I need to prove that? That was never my claim and that is not what we base people's rights on.

as syrians the arabs in what became palestinian mandate existed. The arabs after the mandate ended were partly syrian and jordanian by identity and partly migrants from other arab states seeking work in the mandate.
Palestinians were not a people. It was an artifical name given to the the people during the mandate, including jews and christians.

The attempt to creation of a palestine was not because the people wanted or needed their own land because the arabs rejection of being part of a jewish state.

 

[Phoenall]

LINK from a non partisan source

The so called peace process is based on the old partition plan that was first rejected in 1937 and numerous times since.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again while expecting different results.

Rejected by the arab muslims so why should the Israeli's accept it now. But the partion plan of 1937 said nothing about right of return or reparation.

The proposals at Camp David were laid out and arafat did not even sit down, he said NO NO NO and walked off.

The deal sucked. Arafat was right to turn it down.

98% of the land they claimed with a negotiation on the other 2%, East Jerusalem as their Capital, limited right of return, An arial road linking gaza and the west bank and withdrawal of all Israeli troops. Wha tsucks about that ?

Your leaving out the clunkers.

That was the deal that was to be tabled and arafat said no unless he got his own way

 

[Phoenall]

Will it ever stop?Op-Ed: Europe is Gone

To Europe, the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge on the Jews for surviving.

Europe has never forgiven Israel for that trial and verdict. It is well aware that it is guilty but can never own up to this guilt. Therefore, in line with its time-honored obsession with the Jewish people and its innate necessity to scapegoat Jews for all of Europe's problems, Europe has turned its enmity in an unremitting fashion against the Jewish state.

Israel should be pilloried and boycotted, delegitimized and isolated, while the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge against the Jews for surviving the Holocaust and thereby instilling the unease and guilt that Europe feels towards Jews, Judaism and the Jewish state.


Europe is Gone - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Not in the Europe I live in, that is were the muslims as a whole are hated and detested by the majority of decent people, The Jews are welcomed and given the hand of friendship. The author of this load of propaganda knows nothing about Europe were recent polls have shown the vast majority of people want islam and the muslims kicking out.

The Jews shouldn't have to be "welcomed and given the hand of friendship". That still sets them apart. Considering they made Europe what it is/was. Culturally, financially, you name it.

And the USA dont forget, without the Jews turning to banking you would still be living in Squalor

As usual, you twist and lie...People like Ford, Carnegie and Morgan made America a power-house and none of those men were of the Jewish faith.

But their financial backers were, and without them loaning money the USA would still be a backwoods hick jpoint

 

[pbel]

Will it ever stop?Op-Ed: Europe is Gone

To Europe, the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge on the Jews for surviving.

Europe has never forgiven Israel for that trial and verdict. It is well aware that it is guilty but can never own up to this guilt. Therefore, in line with its time-honored obsession with the Jewish people and its innate necessity to scapegoat Jews for all of Europe's problems, Europe has turned its enmity in an unremitting fashion against the Jewish state.

Israel should be pilloried and boycotted, delegitimized and isolated, while the noble Palestinians – fomenters of worldwide terrorism, intifadas and recurring wars – are worthy of diplomatic recognition, media support, financial aid and moral justification. This is Europe's revenge against the Jews for surviving the Holocaust and thereby instilling the unease and guilt that Europe feels towards Jews, Judaism and the Jewish state.


Europe is Gone - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Not in the Europe I live in, that is were the muslims as a whole are hated and detested by the majority of decent people, The Jews are welcomed and given the hand of friendship. The author of this load of propaganda knows nothing about Europe were recent polls have shown the vast majority of people want islam and the muslims kicking out.

The Jews shouldn't have to be "welcomed and given the hand of friendship". That still sets them apart. Considering they made Europe what it is/was. Culturally, financially, you name it.

And the USA dont forget, without the Jews turning to banking you would still be living in Squalor

As usual, you twist and lie...People like Ford, Carnegie and Morgan made America a power-house and none of those men were of the Jewish faith.

But their financial backers were, and without them loaning money the USA would still be a backwoods hick jpoint

Post a link proving anywhere near that the financial backers were Jewish and would have failed without them liar...

 

[pbel]

Not in the Europe I live in, that is were the muslims as a whole are hated and detested by the majority of decent people, The Jews are welcomed and given the hand of friendship. The author of this load of propaganda knows nothing about Europe were recent polls have shown the vast majority of people want islam and the muslims kicking out.

The Jews shouldn't have to be "welcomed and given the hand of friendship". That still sets them apart. Considering they made Europe what it is/was. Culturally, financially, you name it.

And the USA dont forget, without the Jews turning to banking you would still be living in Squalor

As usual, you twist and lie...People like Ford, Carnegie and Morgan made America a power-house and none of those men were of the Jewish faith.

But their financial backers were, and without them loaning money the USA would still be a backwoods hick jpoint

Post a link proving anywhere near that the financial backers were Jewish and would have failed without them liar...

Chapter 24 Industry Comes of Age APNotes.net



The 4 chief financial backers of the enterprise (the Big Four) included Leland Stanford and Collis P. Huntington. They operated through 2 construction companies.
The Union Pacific Railroad and the Central Pacific Railroad companies both received monetary aid from the government.
The transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, increasing trade with Asia and opening up the West for expansion.

 

[Phoenall]

Not in the Europe I live in, that is were the muslims as a whole are hated and detested by the majority of decent people, The Jews are welcomed and given the hand of friendship. The author of this load of propaganda knows nothing about Europe were recent polls have shown the vast majority of people want islam and the muslims kicking out.

The Jews shouldn't have to be "welcomed and given the hand of friendship". That still sets them apart. Considering they made Europe what it is/was. Culturally, financially, you name it.

And the USA dont forget, without the Jews turning to banking you would still be living in Squalor

As usual, you twist and lie...People like Ford, Carnegie and Morgan made America a power-house and none of those men were of the Jewish faith.

But their financial backers were, and without them loaning money the USA would still be a backwoods hick jpoint

Post a link proving anywhere near that the financial backers were Jewish and would have failed without them liar...

First sign of an islamonazi stooge punching above their weight and getting hammered is to attack the poster and not the post. Who controls the worlds banks and has done for many years, ever thought that the meltdown in 1930's America was to teach America a lesson on anti Semitism that they would never forget. Never again will the powerhouse that was turn its back on the Jews if it wants to survive.

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews shouldn't have to be "welcomed and given the hand of friendship". That still sets them apart. Considering they made Europe what it is/was. Culturally, financially, you name it.

And the USA dont forget, without the Jews turning to banking you would still be living in Squalor

As usual, you twist and lie...People like Ford, Carnegie and Morgan made America a power-house and none of those men were of the Jewish faith.

But their financial backers were, and without them loaning money the USA would still be a backwoods hick jpoint

Post a link proving anywhere near that the financial backers were Jewish and would have failed without them liar...

Chapter 24 Industry Comes of Age APNotes.net



The 4 chief financial backers of the enterprise (the Big Four) included Leland Stanford and Collis P. Huntington. They operated through 2 construction companies.
The Union Pacific Railroad and the Central Pacific Railroad companies both received monetary aid from the government.
The transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, increasing trade with Asia and opening up the West for expansion.

And wasn't Ford a known NAZI who supported Hitler ?

 

[Mindful]

1930's Europe, all over again?

 

[docmauser1]

Israel's version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians.

If the world and other arabs piss on palistanians, why can't jews?

That would have happened already if the Palestinians sat back and let it happen.

Oh, bog off. Left to themselves, palistanians couldn't wipe their own ass, of course. They've been lucky that Israel-hate exists in which palistanians play an important role of the jackass.

The Palestinians have existed their just fine for eons without outside interference.

Yeah, right!! Nice to see our honorable coyote can crack jokes.

 

[pbel]

And the USA dont forget, without the Jews turning to banking you would still be living in Squalor

As usual, you twist and lie...People like Ford, Carnegie and Morgan made America a power-house and none of those men were of the Jewish faith.

But their financial backers were, and without them loaning money the USA would still be a backwoods hick jpoint

Post a link proving anywhere near that the financial backers were Jewish and would have failed without them liar...

Chapter 24 Industry Comes of Age APNotes.net



The 4 chief financial backers of the enterprise (the Big Four) included Leland Stanford and Collis P. Huntington. They operated through 2 construction companies.
The Union Pacific Railroad and the Central Pacific Railroad companies both received monetary aid from the government.
The transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, increasing trade with Asia and opening up the West for expansion.

And wasn't Ford a known NAZI who supported Hitler ?

Post a link proving anywhere near that the financial backers were Jewish and would have failed without them liar...

 

[pbel]

1930's Europe, all over again?

Nobody in America hates Jews...Even many Jews in America don't agree with the ZioNazi right wing regime in the name of Judaism...Jews have helped our country prosper, and organizations like J street is correcting their support of Israel to be more balanced for peace...Go on the Brandeis campus and see for your-self.

 

[Phoenall]

As usual, you twist and lie...People like Ford, Carnegie and Morgan made America a power-house and none of those men were of the Jewish faith.

But their financial backers were, and without them loaning money the USA would still be a backwoods hick jpoint

Post a link proving anywhere near that the financial backers were Jewish and would have failed without them liar...

Chapter 24 Industry Comes of Age APNotes.net



The 4 chief financial backers of the enterprise (the Big Four) included Leland Stanford and Collis P. Huntington. They operated through 2 construction companies.
The Union Pacific Railroad and the Central Pacific Railroad companies both received monetary aid from the government.
The transcontinental railroad was completed in 1869, increasing trade with Asia and opening up the West for expansion.

And wasn't Ford a known NAZI who supported Hitler ?

Post a link proving anywhere near that the financial backers were Jewish and would have failed without them liar...

American Jews - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Finance[edit]
Jews have been involved in both financial thought from many diverting perspectives, and practical investment in the U.S. During the colonial era, before the establishment of the U.S.A. Jews were the first non-Protestants to receive rights to trade fur, from the Dutch and Swedish controlled colonies. The colonial United Kingdom honored after transitioning control of the colonies. During the Revolutionary War, Haym Solomon gave up his fortune to help create America's first semi-central bank, and advised Alexander Hamilton on the building of America's financial system.
American Jews in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries played a major role in the American financial services industry, both at investment banks and investment funds.[160] German Jewish bankers began to assume a major role in American finance in the 1830s when government and private borrowing to pay for canals, railroads and other internal improvements increased rapidly and significantly. Men such as August Belmont (Rothschild's agent in New York and a leading Democrat), Philip Speyer, Jacob Schiff (at Kuhn, Loeb & Company), Joseph Seligman, Philip Lehman (of Lehman Brothers), Jules Bache, and Marcus Goldman (of Goldman Sachs) illustrate this financial elite.[161] As was true of their non-Jewish counterparts, family, personal, and business connections, a reputation for honesty and integrity, ability, and a willingness to take calculated risks were essential to recruit capital from widely scattered sources. The families and the firms which they controlled were bound together by religious and social factors, and by the prevalence of intermarriage. These personal ties fulfilled real business functions before the advent of institutional organization in the 20th century

 

[Phoenall]

1930's Europe, all over again?

Nobody in America hates Jews...Even many Jews in America don't agree with the ZioNazi right wing regime in the name of Judaism...Jews have helped our country prosper, and organizations like J street is correcting their support of Israel to be more balanced for peace...Go on the Brandeis campus and see for your-self.

How can a term with polar opposites have any real meaning.
Zionism the belief that all Jews should have a homeland
Nazism the belief that all Jews should be exterminated.

Only a uneducated ISLAMONAZI STOOGE would come up with that one..............