Will Hagia Sophia become a mosque again? TR its not the Kemalist republic anymore , it is fast becoming something else. i expect the huge conflict

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well, TR its not the Kemalist republic anymore , it is fast becoming something else. i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

 

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i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

 

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i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

 

[ESay]

i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

Why?

 

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i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

Why?

Because it has not been the seat of the
Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century. Maybe someday it will be again, but not in the foreseeable future.

 

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i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

yes,
for same, but if you read Muslims comments under this video very its very desirable by many Muslims . i just wonder how TR will pass UNESCO with this plan ? "
Hagia Sophia - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Hagia_Sophia



Hagia Sophia is the former Greek Orthodox Christian patriarchal cathedral, later an Ottoman imperial mosque and now a museum (Ayasofya Müzesi) in Istanbul, Turkey. ... UNESCO World Heritage Site .
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i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

Why?

Because it has not been the seat of the
Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century. Maybe someday it will be again, but not in the foreseeable future.

I didn't write anything about the Greek OC. I wrote about Constantinopol patriarchat.

Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Litwin]

i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

Why?

Because it has not been the seat of the
Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century. Maybe someday it will be again, but not in the foreseeable future.

"Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century." you wrong 2 times

"Byzantine Empire" is a term created after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire simply as the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileía Rhōmaíōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum),[2] or Romania (Greek: Ῥωμανία, tr. Rhōmanía), and to themselves as Romans.

 

[Litwin]

i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

Why?

Because it has not been the seat of the
Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century. Maybe someday it will be again, but not in the foreseeable future.

I didn't write anything about the Greek OC. I wrote about Constantinopol patriarchat.

Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

i see in this story clearly Moscow´s hand
Moscow, Kyiv, Constantinople: what happens after the ...
www.opendemocracy.net › odr › moscow-kyiv-constan...



Feb 21, 2019 - The Russian Orthodox Church (Patriarchate of Moscow) has broken off ... How this difference will play out in Ukraine remains to be seen.

 

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i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

Why?

Because it has not been the seat of the
Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century. Maybe someday it will be again, but not in the foreseeable future.

"Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century." you wrong 2 times

"Byzantine Empire" is a term created after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire simply as the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileía Rhōmaíōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum),[2] or Romania (Greek: Ῥωμανία, tr. Rhōmanía), and to themselves as Romans.

Byzantium was Greek. I have more news for you. The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman.

 

[Litwin]

i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

Why?

Because it has not been the seat of the
Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century. Maybe someday it will be again, but not in the foreseeable future.

"Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century." you wrong 2 times

"Byzantine Empire" is a term created after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire simply as the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileía Rhōmaíōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum),[2] or Romania (Greek: Ῥωμανία, tr. Rhōmanía), and to themselves as Romans.

Byzantium was Greek. I have more news for you. The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman.

once again , from wiki "Byzantine Empire" is a term created after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire simply as the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileía Rhōmaíōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum),[2] or Romania (Greek: Ῥωμανία, tr. Rhōmanía), and to themselves as Romans. "

no, they were the proud Romans , term - Greeks was reserved dogs. don't go in this discussion , stay on topic

 

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i expect the huge conflict between turkey and Muscovy

Why is that? The Constantinopol patriarchat is a natural and the only rival of the Moscow one for hegemony in the Orthodox world.

I won't be surprised if these actions were agreed with Moscow.

How bizarre.

Why?

Because it has not been the seat of the
Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century. Maybe someday it will be again, but not in the foreseeable future.

"Greek Orthodox Church since the 14th century." you wrong 2 times

"Byzantine Empire" is a term created after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire simply as the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileía Rhōmaíōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum),[2] or Romania (Greek: Ῥωμανία, tr. Rhōmanía), and to themselves as Romans.

Byzantium was Greek. I have more news for you. The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman.

once again , from wiki "Byzantine Empire" is a term created after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire simply as the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileía Rhōmaíōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum),[2] or Romania (Greek: Ῥωμανία, tr. Rhōmanía), and to themselves as Romans. "

no, they were the proud Romans , term - Greeks was reserved dogs. don't go in this discussion , stay on topic

You have less an idea of history than your grasp of the English language.

Byzantium (/bɪˈzæntiəm, -ʃəm/) or Byzantion; (Ancient Greek: Βυζάντιον, romanized: Byzántion, Latin: Byzantium) was an ancient Greek city in classical antiquity that became known as Constantinople in late antiquity and is now Istanbul. The Greek name Byzantion and its Latinization Byzantium continued to be used as a name of Constantinople during the Byzantine Empire.[1][2] Byzantium was colonized by the Greeks from Megara in 657 BC, and remained primarily Greek-speaking until its conquest by the Ottoman Empire in AD 1453.[3]

 

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February 1st, Cappella Romana performed the "From Constantinople to California" program in the all-new Bing Concert Hall amid acoustics electronically enhanced to simulate the lush resonances of the ancient Hagia Sophia cathedral in Istanbul, Turkey in collaboration with faculty in Art & Art History and the Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA). For more information on The Icons of Sound project, please visit: http://iconsofsound.stanford.edu/

 

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"Moscow (AsiaNews) – A recently published book has generated a lot of buzz in Russia. Titled The Great Batu Khan, founder of Russian Statehood (Великий хан Батый – основатель Российской государственности), the tome is by Gennady A. Tjundeshev (Haramos), a historian at Khakassia State University (in Asian Russia, where Tatar-Mongols hail from). Its publication has revived the memory of the times of the "Tartar yoke", when Russia was under Asian rule for more than two centuries, between the 13th and the 15th centuries. It has also inspired some comparisons, especially with President Putin, who was re-elected on 18 March and has acquired the status of tsar and great leader. The great Batu Khan was the grandson of Genghis Khan, who, in 1240, imposed the dominion of the so-called "Golden Horde" on the principalities of ancient Kievan Rus, which disappeared from history as a separate entity. The Tatars were defeated for the first time in 1380 in the Battle of Kulikovo. Dmitry Donskoj, Prince of Moscow, led the way inspired by Sergius of Radonezh. Eventually, the city of Kyiv (Kiev) was against itself by the 17th century, but Asian domination ended only in 1480 thanks to the great prince Ivan III, father of the ideology of Moscow as the Third Rome. According to Tjundeshev’s interpretation, Russia has never freed itself from the legacy of the Tatar Khans; instead, it has made it the basis of its civilisation and state organisation. The idea is not particularly new. Napoleon, contemplating Moscow burning in 1812 from the walls of the Kremlin, uttered his famous words: “Scratch a Russian, you find a Tatar”. Many historians recognise the importance of the rule of the Golden Horde in the development of Russian society. The word money, dénʹgi (деньги), comes from Mongolian and survives in the memory of the taxes that Russians had to pay to the Khans to obtain formal diplomas, Jarliq (ярлык), which today means label, price tag, in modern Russian. Thus, today’s Russia is more the offspring of the Golden Horde than Kievan Rus. Tsar Ivan the Terrible, who conquered the last Kazan khanate in the 1500s, incorporated the main Mongolian leaders into the Russian administration. The tsar of "Holy Russia", to whom many today compare the reigning president (Ivan IV and Putin IV), dropped out of government for a whole year, putting one of his Mongol khans, Simeon Bekbulatovich, in his place. On 19 April, in an interview with Radio Svoboda, Tjundeshev reiterated his thesis. "The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.” “In the Russian Duma everyone always votes as the president wants, like in the Kurultáj of Genghis Khan. The founder of the Mongol Empire at the beginning of the 13th century was in reality a very advanced man for his time, able to adapt to different situations and different cultures, including religions. From the Tatars come nations such as China, India, Turkey and Russia, which embrace different faiths like Confucianism, Islam and Orthodox Christianity.”" Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans

 

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