Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[kaz]

You are such a loon, Uncensored, and we are grateful for your entertainment here. The fact remains that while playing them off against each other the cic played potentially his troops off agaisnt the enemy. Thaty is why so many left the service when the could.

Nope, he played one enemy off of another enemy.

It's a brand new idea that an unknown amateur at strategy, a guy named Sun Tzu talks about in his book...

Go back to watching Olbermoron now....

Actually it's called war profiteering. Sell to both sides during a conflict. We are still living with the results of that treasonous bastards decisions, um, er, well lack thereof.......

It's also ridiculous that the US would do it. The money involved by our standards is peanuts and we run the risk of the weapons being used against us. We need to stop meddling, but that we stoked Iran and Iraq to sell them both weapons is idiotic.

 

[BlindBoo]

That's right, it was Reagan's fault!

You know, Saddam kept his mustache trimmed with a razor made by Wilkerson, further proof that Reagan is responsible for gassing the Kurds.

I mean, Wilkerson is made in Great Britain. Reagan RODE in a Bell Helicopter, more than once. AND he went to England which is actually IN Britain! Obviously Reagan gassed the Kurds!

Again with the hyperbole, but it still fall upon Raygun for taking Iraq off the nations who support terrorist list. Without that Saddam get no advance weapons. Probably get assassinated.

Right, because Obama knows that when Iraq was put on Embargo after it invaded Kuwait, NO ONE was buying oil or defrauding the "Oil for Food" program, certainly not France and Russia. If only Reagan had kept Iraq on the list, then Saddam would have loved puppies and made the Mullahs in Iran turn to San Francisco style Hippyism.....

Nah, like I said the POS probably get assassinated by his own people, but with wesstern technology he has the means to visciously suppress them, and does. Thanks Ronnie!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ronnie's policies caused a horrible mess in the ME. Cowboy George and Two-Gun Dick followed right into it after upsetting everything good Bush the Elder managed to accomplish.

The mismanagement by everybody resulted in 9-11, an ill-conceived and worse-executed Iraqi War, which pulled helicopter and spec op units absolutely necessary for the Afghani war. The senior Bush leadership can't travel abroad because of war crime indictment possibilities, and the rest of the world distrusts us.

Yep, we love our Ronnie.

 

[idb]

No one suggest getting of SH was bad. The point is: matters are now worse.

You ever talk with any Iraqis who lived under saddam's regime?

How quickly they forget the massive amounts of Iraqi people dancing in the streets when they fully understood Sadaam's power was forever gone......And they sure don't want to remember the visions of the Iraqi people reacting to the unearthing of their relatives in all the mass graves that were discovered and uncovered.

But then, they're just Iraqi's, so who cares?

So you think the invasion was justified for the purpose of freeing the Iraqi citizens?
In that case you'll also agree with the Libyan intervention, in fact why aren't you pushing for the US to do more there?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Because Jester is partisan before he is American.

 

[Uncensored2008]

because jester is partisan before he is american.

irony alert!!!

 

[Mr.Nick]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Biggest problem with Iraq right now is that Islam is moobatland.

Islams focus is on Islam and not country.

I wouldn't want someone blowing shit up in my backyard either - but I'm sure in the hell not going to perceive the threat as a religious one.

The only reason why these tools blow themselves up is because the Qur'an demands it....

 

[JakeStarkey]

 

[Mr.Nick]

It's funny how Egypt is a second thought while everyones focus is on Libya....

Egypt is only presently being couped by the Islamic Brotherhood.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's funny how Egypt is a second thought while everyones focus is on Libya....

Egypt is only presently being couped by the Islamic Brotherhood.

The leftists view a Muslim Brotherhood control of Egypt as a precursor to invasion of and genocide in, Israel.

The thought makes them cum.

 

[georgephillip]

When did the UN Security Council authorize an invasion of Iraq?

UN Resolutions # 660, 661, 678, 686, 687, 688, 707, 715, 986, 1284, and of course 1441 that specifically mentioned a "final opportunity to comply," ring a bell? Just because the UN is a feckless and impotent body that is better at raping civilians and spreading cholera than enforcing its own resolutions does not mean that the US would not - and will not - eventually act on those resolutions even when our spineless 'allies' would not (for a number of dishonorable reasons). Don't give me this "illegal" bullshit.

Are you sophisticated enough to quote the exact text from any of those Resolutions you mention that specifically authorized the use of force against Iraq?

"It is beyond dispute that these provisions, and the Charter as a whole, impose a general prohibition on the
use of force to resolve conflicts in international relations. The Security Council and General Assembly
have consistently reaffirmed this legal principle.20 The prohibition against force is binding on all
states not only through the Charter but as a peremptory norm in customary international law,21 so
fundamental that 'no derogation is permitted...

"Only two exceptions, specified in the Charter and supplemented by customary international law, permit
the lawful use of force. First is the right of individual or collective self-defense in response to an
armed attack, under Article 51. Second is the specific authorization of force by the Security Council
as a last resort to maintain international peace and security, under Chapter VII."

http://cesr.org/downloads/Tearing%20up%20the%20Rules%20The%20Illegality%20of%20Invading%20IRaq%202003.pdf

Since there never was an armed attack by Iraq on the US, and since there was never a UN Security Council Resolution that specifically authorized the use of force, the US invasion and occupation was and is illegal.

 

[Wicked Jester]

You ever talk with any Iraqis who lived under saddam's regime?

How quickly they forget the massive amounts of Iraqi people dancing in the streets when they fully understood Sadaam's power was forever gone......And they sure don't want to remember the visions of the Iraqi people reacting to the unearthing of their relatives in all the mass graves that were discovered and uncovered.

But then, they're just Iraqi's, so who cares?

So you think the invasion was justified for the purpose of freeing the Iraqi citizens?
In that case you'll also agree with the Libyan intervention, in fact why aren't you pushing for the US to do more there?

The freeing of Iraqi's was just part of the equation.

And no, the Libya mission is ridiculous for the fact that we have no idea who the **** those rebels are......And it's looking like we may be handing the entire country over to a bunch of damn Jihadi's, who have rich oil reserves to fund their war against the US. Not to mention the fact that he went in their illegally, without congressional approval, and also violated the WPR when he sent in armed predator drones after the WPR expired.

And, it seems Obama picks his "humanitarian missions" (what a fuckin' joke) based purely on political necessity. Seeing as though Syria is wantonely murdering it's citizens, and he's just sitting on his inept, boney ass.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Because Jester is partisan before he is American.

You're a fuckin' lunatic, Jane.

Now, where's your proof of all those NCO's and Officers leaving in droves?

You're full of fuckin' shit, and you damn well know it....Just another far left slapdick runnin' off at the mouth.

 

[BlindBoo]

You're pretty stupid if you think that. The above answer was in response to a poster who claimed the war was sanctioned by the UN. It wasn't.

Actually, what was said was that the war with Iraq was not "illegal." What determines legality for actions by the USA is the US Constitution, as much as that might distress you.

Unkotare claimed the invasion and occupation was sanctioned by the UN.

Furthermore, Congress set 2 conditions on the use of force against Iraq. It's all in the resolution. But fact of the matter is Congress did nothing to hold President Bush to the letter of the law they passed. They disgraced America and should have all resigned when no WMD were found and no ties to 9-11 could be made. There was no significant threat to America and Iraq was not involved in 9-11.

 

[Contumacious]

How quickly they forget the massive amounts of Iraqi people dancing in the streets when they fully understood Sadaam's power was forever gone......And they sure don't want to remember the visions of the Iraqi people reacting to the unearthing of their relatives in all the mass graves that were discovered and uncovered.

But then, they're just Iraqi's, so who cares?

So you think the invasion was justified for the purpose of freeing the Iraqi citizens?
In that case you'll also agree with the Libyan intervention, in fact why aren't you pushing for the US to do more there?

The freeing of Iraqi's was just part of the equation.

And no, the Libya mission is ridiculous for the fact that we have no idea who the **** those rebels are......

Mr. Dumb Ass, Sir.

But you didn't complain when Reagan didn't know who Osama Ben Laden, and his mujaheddin, were.

And it's looking like we may be handing the entire country over to a bunch of damn Jihadi's, who have rich oil reserves to fund their war against the US.

And what do the radical shiites in Iraq , who are affiliated with Iran, intend to do with their petrodollars?

Not to mention the fact that he went in their illegally, without congressional approval, and also violated the WPR when he sent in armed predator drones after the WPR expired.

The Constitution (1787) does not authorize Congress to invade a country in order to secure israel.

. Seeing as though Syria is wantonely murdering it's citizens, and he's just sitting on his inept, boney ass.

Excuse me retardo, but didn't Clinton wantonly murdered the Davidians in Waco Texas.

Hasn't the US wantonly executed defendants and incarcerated over 2,400,000 citizens.

Shouldn't someone invade us and protect us from Washingtonstan?

.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Because Jester is partisan before he is American.

You're a fuckin' lunatic, Jane.

Now, where's your proof of all those NCO's and Officers leaving in droves?

You're full of fuckin' shit, and you damn well know it....Just another far left slapdick runnin' off at the mouth.

I served with self-inflated yokes like you. Talk to those men and women who left the service from 1987 on and ask if Iran-Contra played a role. Many will tell you "yes".

Neo-con imperialism only weakens us, Jester. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq II, etc. Whenever we do it for imperial goals rather than the needs of the oppressed, we fail. Simple end game. Compare the last sixty years to 1941 to 1949, and let's see if you can figure why.

 

[Unkotare]

Actually, what I said was that the UN was too much of a feckless, impotent, corrupt body to enforce its (many!) resolutions so the US decided to do so when we concluded that was in our national interest.

I also mentioned how the UN was better at raping civilians and spreading cholera than doing anything useful. I may also have mentioned talking too much, pushing papers, and passing resolution after resolution they have no intention of enforcing, thus giving encouragement to tyrants like saddam and dirty dealers like Koffi Annan's own son.

 

[Unkotare]

Excuse me retardo, but didn't Clinton wantonly murdered the Davidians in Waco Texas.

Hasn't the US wantonly executed defendants and incarcerated over 2,400,000 citizens..

No. You need a dictionary.

 

[Unkotare]

Neo-con imperialism only weakens us, Jester. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq II, etc. Whenever we do it for imperial goals rather than the needs of the oppressed, we fail. Simple end game. Compare the last sixty years to 1941 to 1949, and let's see if you can figure why.

"Imperial goals"? Really?


Here again I can tell you never spoke with any Iraqis who had to live under saddam, or certainly Afghans who had to endure life under the Taliban.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I served with self-inflated yokes like you.

Did you get paroled, or was your sentence up?

Talk to those men and women who left the service from 1987 on and ask if Iran-Contra played a role. Many will tell you "yes".

Were some in prison with you?

Neo-con imperialism only weakens us, Jester. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq II, etc. Whenever we do it for imperial goals rather than the needs of the oppressed, we fail. Simple end game. Compare the last sixty years to 1941 to 1949, and let's see if you can figure why.

If only we had a collectivist like you running things.... You socialists only care about "the oppressed!"