Why won't Hamas accept a Cease-fire?

[Ava]

I already know you're full of nothing but evil and hatred, you don't need to keep going on about it.

How do you come to these ridiculous conclusions?

Its not really a "conclusion" He uses precooked propaganda phrases----out of pamphlets
that are something like TV dinners. It is all prepared-----you just swallow it-----not particularly
wholesome or tasty.

Propaganda starts early:

 

[aris2chat]

Simple question.

If they win militarily or loose, they want their demands met. Even if it for a ceasefire, they want to "save face" and not seem to capitulate to Israel.
Every lose is made to appear a victory. This is how they encourage more enlistment and funding.

 

[MHunterB]

Gee, fangless - you don't seem to have a clue. HAMAS is losing: they don't get to dictate terms. Israel has no reason to stop while HAMAS may have a single rocket or tunnel in working order.

And NO, Israel hasn't violated the GC by turning down a chance for HAMAS to re-arm. The tunnels are proof the blockade needs to continue.

 

[Coyote]

Threads been cleaned of a number of off topic flames and rants. Please remember - personal attacks belong in the Flame Zone - not here.

Thanks

 

[I.P.Freely]

Reaching ceasefire without anything achieved for Hamas is rather stupid, its a win win situation for them when civilians die, and pressure raise against Israel

Then why fall into that trap?

 

[Beelzebub]

1) "Hamas fired 1,394 rockets at Israel!" How many rockets, missiles, tank shells, cluster bombs, white phosphorous bombs, bullets, cannons and grenades has Israel unleashed on the Palestinians? It's a sad situation and only reflective of the evident bias when you can count to the 3rd decimal point the number of Hamas projectiles but be completely clueless about Israel's arsenal.

2) "Israel is defending itself. What would you do if someone was firing rockets at your country?!" A: If I occupied a people, placed a crippling trade and economic embargo on them, placed them under siege, humiliated them daily via military and police checkpoints, controlled their water and electricity, constructed apartheid "Jewish-only roads", shot their children, bombed their schools, mosques and businsses, illegally seized their lands, destroyed their crops, demolished their homes, threw thousands of them in dungeons and treated them like sub-humans and they fired rockets at me – to 'defend myself' I would probably stop doing all of the above.

Secondly, Israel has been mass murdering the Palestinians for over 60 years - long before any rockets were fired and long before Hamas was even in existence. So this is nothing but a fallacy designed to deflect the reality of the situation and mislead others. Finally, Israel's indiscriminate use of heavy weaponry in civilian areas is a war crime, not self defense.

3) "This is Hamas's fault, they use human shields. Israel doesn't target civilians!" A: Excuse me, when you launch an unbridled, indiscriminate attack from warships, fighter jets, tanks, artillery and helicopters on a CIVILIAN AREA - what do you expect to find there - breakdancing hobbits? When you attack civilian areas, you kill civilians. It's not Advanced Chinese Mathematics. Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth. It's an open air prison. So when Israel fires into these areas it is going to kill and maim innocent people every time.

Secondly, according to the Israeli Human Rights group, B'tselem which tracks both Israel and Palestinian deaths, dozens of children as young as 4 years old were killed with gunshot wounds to the HEAD AND CHEST. Not to mention the videos coming through showing snipers killing rescuers. Bombing ambulances and hospitals also has to be the most cowardly thing a military could do. So I'm afraid this "doesn't target civilians" statement doesn't hold up the facts.

4) "Israel is the most moral and humane army in the world. Who else calls/texts people and drops leaflets warning them to evacuate before a pending attack?" I love this one. "Please be notified in 5 minutes, we are going to destroy your home." In other words, Israel publicly announces to thousands of civilians their full intent to perpetrate yet another war crime and you're asking us to somehow acknowledge this as some type of humane gesture? The gall. How about a murderer "notify" their victims by sending them text messages/leaflets that they're coming shortly to murder them - does it make it any less perverse? If this is the level of desperation Zionists and their sympathisers have stooped to, then it's little wonder public opinion is God willing, starting to turn against them. As for "evacuating"... Have you seen a map of Gaza? If so, could you please explain to me where the Palestinians are supposed to "evacuate" to? To the north and east, they are blocked by Israeli walls and military checkpoints. To the south is Egypt's closed crossing thanks to Israel's slave, Sissy. To the west is the Mediterranean Sea. So what do they do, swim for it and hope they can make it to Cyprus or Turkey before Israel "defends itself" again and machine guns them all in the water? Go to a UN shelter? Wait, they tried that already TWICE - once in Qana, Lebanon and once in Gaza a few years ago and Israel "defended itself" by bombing the shelters massacring a total of 352 civilians. Add to this, Israel's naval and air forces who have killed thousands of people are constantly patrolling the areas. They are surrounded from every imaginable direction and you sit from the comfort of your sofa sipping $8 coffee then froth at the mouth demanding they evacuate.
now what will you say?
You must & have to say Israel is a terrorist country.

Each cease-fire is only a pause, while Israel imposes more restrictions, degrades the power of Palestinians, while the IDF prepares to do the slaughter again, and the US Congress finds excuses for supporting this Genocide.

This needs to be stopped, so that Israel can never commit such murders again. Not just paused, for 'a breather'.

 

[Humanity]

You laugh at people's results of war says more about your evil soul than it says about any of us. We don't support the killing, we support the defending of our houses.

Be careful, indeed Karma is a *****, and when you laugh about other's suffering, is when you invite the same suffering on yourself.

And I will no more talk to you, since I don't reduce to the level of the wicked ones. Let yourself be entertained by someone with your own depraved thoughts.

Starting to realise the extent of the evil you support? Uncomfortable isn't it. Sure run from me but the truth is far harder to run from.

Evil support? What would England do if Ireland, Wales, Scotland or even France started to lobby 1000s of missiles daily at England? Would the Brits sit on their asses and say, proportionate response? Don't do anything? No ******* way, they would slaughter, as they have done in Northern Ireland, anyone who attacked the homeland!

You are suggesting that England committed war crimes in Northern Ireland?

The suggestion that England would behave in same belligerent, barbaric way that Israel conducts itself is a joke man...

And, I have a question...

You describe yourself as a Jewish Zionist... This then suggests that there are Non Jewish Zionists...

How does that fit with your MLK Jr. quote in your signature?

 

[Beelzebub]

"You are suggesting that England committed war crimes in Northern Ireland? "

We probably did. Sadly.
Nothing on the scale of what Israel does routinely to Gaza and Palestine. In maybe the worst, Bloody Sunday in 1972 13 (adult) civilians were killed by the Army.

That equates to about half an hour's work for the IDF. And not only are they not regretful, but they continue to do it hour after hour, day after day and week after week.

 

[Humanity]

I'm not sure that England did commit war crimes, but that is open to debate...

It is more the use of the word "slaughter" that is completely out of context here...

Bloody Sunday was a travesty waiting to happen... A blot on British history forever...

Israel "blots" their history every minute of every day with the continued bombardment of Gaza...

And, when it is finally over, Israel will continue to blot their history by their inhumane control and imprisonment of 1.8m inhabitants of Gaza

 

[Politico]

Simple question.

All the Jews aren't dead yet. Simple answer.