Why Were Christian Constitutional Conservatives So Wrong About Abortion??

[BULLDOG]

What is it exactly that makes you say aborting a baby is a no big deal? Is it the way you see it and you are right? God talked to David in the womb but God must be wrong because you are right? I would like to be a fly on the wall when you are explaining that to God.

Why don't you let God deal with that? I'm pretty sure that any god wouldn't need your help.

 

[bodecea]

The RCC, aka the one true church had it right all along, and that's all that matters.

Nope....unless you call pedophile priests "getting it right".

 

[Kosh]

"Roe isn't really about the woman's choice, is it?" Ginsburg told the University of Chicago Law School in May 2013. "It's about the doctor's freedom to practice...it wasn't woman-centered, it was physician-centered."

 

[22lcidw]

You're missing the entire point. States should have NO say in abortion because it's a private medical matter between a woman and her doctor.

PERIOD. End of story.

We are told women are superior. This while we are in decline and the costs of everything skyrockets to prove it with many people suffering for it or earning less than they should. Over a million abortions a year. Sluts and whores seem to be the reality. With IQ's much lower than the norm and then being shoved to the front for employment. The matriarchy...I get it. Keep up the good work.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

The RCC, aka the one true church had it right all along, and that's all that matters.

It's NOT the One True Church. It is the COUNTERFEIT Church and it's first pope was Simon Magus.

They constantly battled the Church of God, a Sabbath/Holy Day keeping church as late as 400 AD. The Little Flock, aka, the Church of God was scattered as the COUNTERFEIT Church gained political power through its alliance with kings under Satan's influence

But yeah, you're right about abortion

 

[bodecea]

Obvious troll is obviously trolling.

You deny it?

 

[bodecea]

Interesting that lefties quote Ayn Rand but not Margaret Sanger who founded the "eugenics" movement that included racial purification that nazis and democrats embraced during the 20th century. Eugenics morphed int Planned Parenthood. As far as the Constitution goes, their is little doubt that the original RvW decision was so faulty as to be laughable. Abortion will be up to the people to decide. Why do democrats fear democracy?

Eugenics is the forced birth or abortion....what woman has been forced to get abortions in this country? Name names.

 

[eddiew37]

The word of someone above God.

SUCKERS!​

 

[busybee01]

You are confused Moon Bat. The filthy Democrats are stealing elections and going bat shit crazy with extreme far Left polices that are fucking up this country big time.

Unfortunately some weak minded Republicans, like the assholes that voted for that dumbass gun control bill bill yesterday, are helping the Democrats destroy this country.

You are the filthy pig that is trying to steal elections. Your far right wing policies are no different than Nazi Germany. You are the one who wants to impose your values at the point of a gun. You are the motherfuckers that are destroying this country. This gun bill is a bad joke it is so weak.

 

[busybee01]

Sez the blood wallowing ghoul.

Says the little Nazi. Remember the Nuremburg trials.

 

[busybee01]

Not murdering wrong? Damn you ghouls need to be removed.

No one is murdering anyone.

 

[busybee01]

When Chris Reeve hit his head on the rock and lost the ability to survive on his own, would it have been legal to cut him up with a chainsaw? The survivability argument carries no weight.

You are so stupid. Apples and oranges.

 

[busybee01]

What is it exactly that makes you say aborting a baby is a no big deal? Is it the way you see it and you are right? God talked to David in the womb but God must be wrong because you are right? I would like to be a fly on the wall when you are explaining that to God.

Excuse me but a fetus can be in the womb beyond 24 weeks. That proves nothing.

 

[martybegan]

Except that they weren't "wrong" 50 years ago. They were absolutely correct in saying that this is a private matter between a woman and her doctor.

What the radical court did yesterday, was to rule on their "personal, religious beliefs" which completely ignored history and the rights of women. In fact, the ruling said that women have no right to privacy under the Constitution. That's because women have NO RIGHTS under the Constitution because it was written when women were considered "chattel" to their husbands.

And AMENDED to fix that and other issues.

If abortion is so fucking popular why isn't an amendment being proposed to add it to the Constitution to protect it?

 

[hadit]

You deny it?

I wasn't talking about you, was I? Or are you a sock?

 

[hadit]

You are so stupid. Apples and oranges.

Wow, a nonsense rebuttal that doesn't even address what you're trying to rebut. Can you explain why, in the context of the survivability argument, Reeve is a different case without invoking the lawyer fairy sprinkling his legal dust on a new-born to turn it from a zebra into a human? You remember, the Pinnochio thing?

 

[hadit]

You are the filthy pig that is trying to steal elections. Your far right wing policies are no different than Nazi Germany. You are the one who wants to impose your values at the point of a gun. You are the motherfuckers that are destroying this country. This gun bill is a bad joke it is so weak.

Godwin's. You lose.

 

[BULLDOG]

I wasn't talking about you, was I? Or are you a sock?

You're dodging the question. Why did so called Christian Conservatives ignore Roe v Wade all through the first two decades of it's existance, until their politicians tell them they should be upset?

 

[bendog]

Simple question.....thru-out the 60's and 70's -- why did so many Christian Conservatives who professed love for the Constitution; get it so wrong about abortion??

"White evangelicals in the 1970s did not mobilize against Roe v. Wade, which they considered a Catholic issue. They organized instead to defend racial segregation in evangelical institutions, including Bob Jones University. The historical record is clear. In 1968, Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, organized a conference with the Christian Medical Society The historical record is clear. In 1968, Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, organized a conference with the Christian Medical Society -- they concluded: “Whether the performance of an induced abortion is sinful we are not agreed,” the statement read, “but about the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances we are in accord. Carl F. H. Henry, the magazine’s founder, affirmed that “a woman’s body is not the domain and property of others,"

The Religious Right and the Abortion Myth

White evangelicals in the 1970s didn’t initially care about abortion. They organized to defend racial segregation in evangelical institutions — and only seized on banning abortion because it was more palatable than their real goal.

www.politico.com

How could someone like the Christian Medical Society get it so wrong?? Did they not know Jesus is against abortion? The same Bible they used to condemn abortion now is the same Bible that existed then...how could they claim abortion is a necessity and permissible? Did they not care about the children? But it gets worse.....

"Meeting in St. Louis in 1971, the messengers (delegates) to the Southern Baptist Convention, hardly a redoubt of liberalism, passed a resolution calling for the legalization of abortion, a position they reaffirmed in 1974 — a year after Roe — and again in 1976. When the Roe decision was handed down, W. A. Criswell, pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas and sometime president of the Southern Baptist Convention, issued a statement praising the ruling. “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person,” Criswell declared."

Again, what Bible were these people looking at?? Abortion is murder and mothers should be put to death for such an abomination....why was there so much ambiguity on this?? No such wishy washy language existed when they were using Biblical justifications to call for executing gays or railing against the evils of desegregation and miscegenation -- why not that same heat for abortion?? but wait, there's more....even Ronald Reagan, the second coming of Jesus himself, signed into law a big pro-abortion bill...was he not a conservative then?? Did he not love Jesus?

"When the issue surfaced in the first months of his governorship, Reagan was unsure how to react. Surprising as it may seem today, in 1967 abortion was not the great public issue that it is today. Reagan later admitted that abortion had been “a subject I’d never given much thought to.”

Reagan’s Darkest Hour | National Review

As president, Ronald Reagan was an unflagging champion of unborn human life. “Today there is a wound in our national conscience,” Reagan told a joint session of Congress in his 1986 State of the Un…

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How could he have never given much thought to it, but then signed the most liberal pro-abortion bill in the country that year? Hell, even the great superhero Libertarian Conservative, Ayn Rand said this about abortion.....

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I mean I know she is an Atheist and you right-wingers give her a pass because she hated black folks and other shit as much as you did -- but even for a Jesus-hating atheist, this is pretty twisted stuff from her.....how did these Conservatives get it all wrong -- and then all suddenly in the span of a few years -- suddenly launch a crusade against abortion and women's health rights??

Oh, I remember......racism......

"After several decades of research, I can state without fear of contradiction that evangelicals mobilized politically in the 1970s not, as commonly supposed, in opposition to the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade ruling of 1973, but rather in defense of racial segregation at Bob Jones University and at all-white “segregation academies,” many of them church-sponsored. The durability of what I call the abortion myth, the fiction that opposition to legalized abortion was the catalyst of their movement, can be attributed to the founders of the Religious Right themselves."

Column: Race, Reagan and the rise of the Religious Right

The overwhelming white evangelical support for Donald Trump is a puzzle that will occupy historians for generations. How can the Religious Right, a movement that trumpets its fidelity to “family values,” throw its support to a vulgar, thrice-married...

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Like how Ronald Reagan campaigned in 1980 to defend the right of universities like Bob Jones to racially segregate....I guess that is how Bob Jones was able to get away with banning interracial dating on their campus all the way up to the year 2000....Or how the founder of the Religious Right, Paul Weyrich was pissed that the IRS were planning to rescind the tax-exempt statuses of religious institutions that instituted segregation....in the papers he wrote; he essentially admitted: "Now, Falwell and other leaders of the Religious Right had a “respectable” issue, opposition to abortion, one that would energize white evangelicals — and, not incidentally, divert attention from the real origins of "our movement."

Paul M. Weyrich papers - Archives West

Archives West provides access to descriptions of primary sources in the western United States, including correspondence, diaries, and photographs. Digital reproductions of primary sources are available in some cases. Archives West was formerly known as the Northwest Digital Archives (NWDA).

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So once abortion is banned at the federal level, because that is definitely next -- what more red meat can you offer to the rabid evangelical base?? Because the beast will have to be fed.....can't be abortion anymore....Contraceptives?? Yea, that may hold them off for a moment....but sooner or later, you are going to have to throw them a bone and do something about their first love....segregation....at least bring back the whole separate but equal doctrine and use that to get your segregation rocks off....it's definitely coming...people like me have been right about the religious right so far.....even when so-called "small government Conservatives" were assuring us "relax bro, you are just overreacting, no one is asking for that" -- when it came to banning abortion, same-sex marriages, epealing Lawrence v Texas; and ultimately attacking the very concept of the 14th amendment....oh, but when that pendulum swings back in the other direction....I doubt many of the reactionary right-wingers will be able to handle it...they are far too fragile to deal with an ounce of the oppression they love seeing inflicted on others...because for a right-winger, equality feels like oppression...always have been....

It's obvious. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE IT? THE THEOCRATS THUG-GOD CHANGED HIS FUCKING MIND!!!!!! God's Love.

 

[hadit]

You're dodging the question. Why did so called Christian Conservatives ignore Roe v Wade all through the first two decades of it's existance, until their politicians tell them they should be upset?

I don't know about anyone else, I was a child then and my people didn't participate in politics. That doesn't address the obvious trolling in which the OP engages.