Why Wasn’t Biden’s Location raided by the FBI?

[Marener]

They have been reported classified TS/SCI, that's why. SCI level aren't supposed to be viewed anywhere other than a SCIF.

Trump had TS/SCI documents too.

Is it a threat to national security to make those documents public?

 

[Delldude]

Trump had TS/SCI documents too.

Is it a threat to national security to make those documents public?

Trump had declassified TS/SCI doc's.

If there isn't a need to remain classified, I'd say no.

 

[Marener]

Trump had declassified TS/SCI doc's.

If there isn't a need to remain classified, I'd say no.

How do you know there isn’t a need for Trump’s “declassified” documents to remain classified?

 

[BlindBoo]

rump said He declassified those documents. He had the authority whereas Biden never did.

"Under an Obama-era executive order that retained a Bush-era order, vice presidents have the authority to classify and declassify documents — just like presidents."

Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

The Neo-GOP are like what Raygun call the Democrat liberals in the 80's. They know so much that just isn't so.

 

[Nostra]

How can you tell Biden’s documents are a threat? You haven’t seen them.

Have you seen Trump's?

 

[Marener]

Have you seen Trump's?

I haven’t, but if he declassified them I have a right to see them.

Everyone does.

If he declassified them.

 

[Thinker101]

Are you saying that the documents are a threat if their content becomes known?

That’s what happens when you declassify documents. Isn’t it?

Brilliant, so you're suggesting Obama DIDN'T declassify the documents that Bidung has, in order to keep them safe. And Bidung decides to store some of them in his garage...in a cardboard box.

 

[Nostra]

I haven’t, but if he declassified them I have a right to see them.

Everyone does.

If he declassified them.

So you can't say if they were a threat.

 

[Marener]

So you can't say if they were a threat.

Can you say if Biden’s documents were a threat?

 

[Marener]

Brilliant, so you're suggesting Obama DIDN'T declassify the documents that Bidung has, in order to keep them safe. And Bidung decides to store some of them in his garage...in a cardboard box.

I have no reason to believe Obama declassified the documents but maybe he did by thinking quietly to himself about it.

 

[Nostra]

Can you say if Biden’s documents were a threat?

 

[Marener]

You’re scared to answer the question. I know. It’s hard when someone points out your hypocrisy.

 

[Delldude]

How do you know there isn’t a need for Trump’s “declassified” documents to remain classified?

Apparently, He determined they didn't need to remain classified, and, as it's His call, that's how it rolled.

"Under an Obama-era executive order that retained a Bush-era order, vice presidents have the authority to classify and declassify documents — just like presidents."

Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

The Neo-GOP are like what Raygun call the Democrat liberals in the 80's. They know so much that just isn't so.

VP can only declassify doc's when in performance of his executive duties.

Beyond that, Biden was found to be in possession of currently classified doc's with the TS/SCI classification. Biden had no authority, whatsoever to remove those doc's from wherever he stole them from.

I haven’t, but if he declassified them I have a right to see them.

Everyone does.

If he declassified them.

Then you need to contact the National Archives. And it also depends on who is permitted to view certain declassified doc's.

Can you say if Biden’s documents were a threat?

Unequivocally yes. What, now found in 3 to 5 different unsecured areas, guarded in one by a crack crazed alcoholic.

 

[BlindBoo]

VP can only declassify doc's when in performance of his executive duties.

Mere speculation on your part. They could always use the Cheney Defense too. Anybody remember this from Dick?

" When queried by the Tribune, Cheney’s spokesperson replied that the OVP was not an “agency” under the Order and that the matter had “been thoroughly reviewed and it’s been determined that the reporting requirement does not apply to [the OVP] which has both legislative and executive functions.” In essence, the Vice President and his staff were claiming that with respect to the rules governing the safeguarding of classified national security information he was not a part of the executive branch and thus not beholden to the reporting requirements of the Executive Order.

I found this response to be remarkable,...."

Vice Presidents and Rules Governing Classified National Security Information

Uncovering an historical episode involving Vice President Cheney that cast doubt on status of vice presidents and classified information system - with a call for Congress to close any gaps.

www.justsecurity.org

"Specifically, there were only three sections of the Order that treated the President and Vice President on equal terms. One of these sections exempted the Vice President and his staff from the mandatory declassification review provisions of the Order which were applicable to all other government agencies. As I had consistently pointed out to the Attorney General and others, “[t]his sole explicit reference for the purpose of exempting the OVP from a provision of the Order supports an interpretation that the rest of the Order does apply, to include the Order’s definition of an ‘agency,’ otherwise there would be no need for an exemption” from the declassification review provisions.

What was especially noteworthy and remains unchallenged to this day, in his letter to Kerry, Addington went on to state that

constitutional issues in government are generally best left for discussion when unavoidable disputes arise in a specific context instead of in theoretical discussions. Given that the executive order treats the Vice President like the President rather than as an “agency,” it is not necessary in these circumstances to address the subject of any alternative reasoning, based on the law and history of the legislative functions of the vice presidency and the more modern executive functions of the vice presidency, to reach the same conclusion that the vice presidency is not an “agency” with respect to which ISOO [the Information Security Oversight Office] has a role.

Addington was not backing off from his initial position that since the Vice President had both executive and legislative functions, OVP was not bound by the reporting requirements of the executive order. "

 

[Delldude]

Mere speculation on your part. They could always use the Cheney Defense too. Anybody remember this from Dick?

" When queried by the Tribune, Cheney’s spokesperson replied that the OVP was not an “agency” under the Order and that the matter had “been thoroughly reviewed and it’s been determined that the reporting requirement does not apply to [the OVP] which has both legislative and executive functions.” In essence, the Vice President and his staff were claiming that with respect to the rules governing the safeguarding of classified national security information he was not a part of the executive branch and thus not beholden to the reporting requirements of the Executive Order.

I found this response to be remarkable,...."

Vice Presidents and Rules Governing Classified National Security Information

Uncovering an historical episode involving Vice President Cheney that cast doubt on status of vice presidents and classified information system - with a call for Congress to close any gaps.

www.justsecurity.org

"Specifically, there were only three sections of the Order that treated the President and Vice President on equal terms. One of these sections exempted the Vice President and his staff from the mandatory declassification review provisions of the Order which were applicable to all other government agencies. As I had consistently pointed out to the Attorney General and others, “[t]his sole explicit reference for the purpose of exempting the OVP from a provision of the Order supports an interpretation that the rest of the Order does apply, to include the Order’s definition of an ‘agency,’ otherwise there would be no need for an exemption” from the declassification review provisions.

What was especially noteworthy and remains unchallenged to this day, in his letter to Kerry, Addington went on to state that

constitutional issues in government are generally best left for discussion when unavoidable disputes arise in a specific context instead of in theoretical discussions. Given that the executive order treats the Vice President like the President rather than as an “agency,” it is not necessary in these circumstances to address the subject of any alternative reasoning, based on the law and history of the legislative functions of the vice presidency and the more modern executive functions of the vice presidency, to reach the same conclusion that the vice presidency is not an “agency” with respect to which ISOO [the Information Security Oversight Office] has a role.

Addington was not backing off from his initial position that since the Vice President had both executive and legislative functions, OVP was not bound by the reporting requirements of the executive order. "

Nice try. According to your link, it only mentions the Prez and VP having classification authority....no mention of VP having declassification authority.

None of this matters as Biden had no authority to possess classified doc's anywhere other than the WH (during performance of his executive duties). Trump did.
And the stolen Biden doc's were still classified, according to your media.

 

[eddiew37]

Well, um, yeah, it's a major factor of American Criminal Law, that you require Mens Rea (Criminal Intent) to be charged with a crime.

Hillary received classified information other people inadvertently sent to her private email, and deleted them when she was out of office.
Biden had documents some government worker inadvertently packed into the wrong box.

Trump intentionally took documents he was no longer entitled to once he was voted out of office. He refused to return them when asked. He lied about having them. That is Criminal Intent.

Then Trump made magic happen He declassified them in his mind

 

[BlindBoo]

Nice try. According to your link, it only mentions the Prez and VP having classification authority....no mention of VP having declassification authority.

None of this matters as Biden had no authority to possess classified doc's anywhere other than the WH (during performance of his executive duties). Trump did.
And the stolen Biden doc's were still classified, according to your media.

Regardless of your speculation the Obama EO gives the VP the same authority to declassify documents as the President. Just like Baby Bush did.

There's a special counsel for each now so we will have to wait, and listen to endless lies and speculations.

 

[Delldude]

Regardless of your speculation the Obama EO gives the VP the same authority to declassify documents as the President. Just like Baby Bush did.

There's a special counsel for each now so we will have to wait, and listen to endless lies and speculations.

The EO is listed there and didn't say anything about VP declassification authority.
Still doesn't make the fact that Biden possessed stolen classified documents with absolutely no authority to do so, any different.

 

[Delldude]

Then Trump made magic happen He declassified them in his mind

So Simple Simon Biden didn't have enough upstairs to accomplish that?

 

[Delldude]

Regardless of your speculation the Obama EO gives the VP the same authority to declassify documents as the President. Just like Baby Bush did.

There's a special counsel for each now so we will have to wait, and listen to endless lies and speculations.

9 Questions Biden Should Answer About His Documents Scandal

The big question is not where the classified documents were stowed but what’s contained in the troves of discovered documents.

thefederalist.com