Why Wasn’t Biden’s Location raided by the FBI?

[sealybobo]

You dont have to like his excuse....but it's certianly far more believable then the boogie man planted them in Xiden's office, garage and home.

No it's not. And why did Trump refuse to turn some over? Biden just handed them over and didn't even know how they got to Penn U. Which is a college that teaches about intelligence on other countries. You wouldn't know about college.

 

[struth]

Seems Biden's shit was just like 10 documents, on accident and a nothing burger.

Compared to Trump's criminal behavior

The Biden classified information investigation, explained

And what impact it might have on the Trump investigation.

www.vox.com

hahahh more like dozens, in numerous locations.......and please....he had top secret documents that he put in a file a labeled it personal...it was clearly done with intent.

 

[sealybobo]

hahah xiden hide them for 6 years.....he's lawyer who was sent to clean his office out, found them and called the authorities....not Xiden.

You mean they sat in a closet for 6 years. When is he waiting to sell them to China? When he's 100?

 

[sealybobo]

hahahh more like dozens, in numerous locations.......and please....he had top secret documents that he put in a file a labeled it personal...it was clearly done with intent.

Clearly. And Trump clearly is innocent. LOL

 

[Marener]

The DOJ was subpeoning the documents from the NA....not from Trump. They raided his house after Xiden ordered them to....knowing full well he was actively working with the NA, and also knowing that he himself had actually stolen classified documents and was hiding them in his office, garage and home.

More lies.

The subpoena issued to Trump is on page 46. His lawyer acknowledges receipt of it on page 49.

DOJ response to Trump special master

August 30, 2022

www.documentcloud.org

Go ahead and admit you lied any time.

 

[sealybobo]

hahahh more like dozens, in numerous locations.......and please....he had top secret documents that he put in a file a labeled it personal...it was clearly done with intent.

How do you know it was dozens? I found this.

It’s unclear precisely how many classified materials have been obtained from Biden’s office and home. Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president, said Monday that “a small number of documents with classified markings” were discovered on Nov. 2, 2022, in a locked closet at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, a think tank in Washington, as Biden’s personal attorneys were clearing out the offices.

So clearly you are making shit up.

Now compare this to what we know about Trump

On Thursday, Sauber said a second batch of documents with classified markings — a “small number,” he said — had been found in a storage space in Biden’s garage in Wilmington, Delaware, with one document being located in Biden’s personal library in his home.

TRUMP: Roughly 300 documents with classification markings — including some at the top secret level — have been recovered from Trump since he left office in January 2021.

Sauber is a Trump appointee. Is he lying too?

 

[Rambunctious]

I don't know if any of that's true. I don't like Trump's excuse and I don't buy your defense of him. As I am sure I won't like Biden's excuse for it.

You don't know if Obama approved or not. You don't know all the details. All we know is you are swallowing Trump's excuse. I'm not swallowing either.

You would know its all true if you didn't listen to biased Trump hating networks for your news....

 

[sealybobo]

More lies.

The subpoena issued to Trump is on page 46. His lawyer acknowledges receipt of it on page 49.

DOJ response to Trump special master

August 30, 2022

www.documentcloud.org

Go ahead and admit you lied any time.

I caught him lying too. He said DOZENS. The Trump appointed prosecutor said it was "a small amount". Probably around 10 documents. Compared to 300 from Trump.

 

[struth]

No it's not. And why did Trump refuse to turn some over? Biden just handed them over and didn't even know how they got to Penn U. Which is a college that teaches about intelligence on other countries. You wouldn't know about college.

because he believed them to be personal....like Clinton did, when he took a case to court over tapes he had.

They weren't found on campus of UPenn, they were found in his personal office in Washington DC, in his home, and in his garage. One set of top secret documents were even found in a file that Xiden had labeled "Personal" https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/poli...kraine-united-kingdom-beau-funeral/index.html

The lawyer saw a manila folder that was labeled “personal,” opened the envelope and noticed there were classified documents inside. The lawyer closed the envelope and called NARA, the source said.

 

[Rambunctious]

Unlike Trump, who refused repeated government requests to return his own, larger set of documents, Biden’s team returned them to the government without being asked. But that still leaves the question of how and why they got there in the first place.

So at this point there are a variety of possible explanations, from benign to less benign, depending on what exactly the documents are, how they got there, and evidence of Biden’s personal involvement. But the early reports on the Penn Biden Center documents suggest they deal with intelligence about politically sensitive countries.

News of this situation has only just become public, and so far there hasn’t been reporting about whether Justice Department investigators think there might have been criminal lawbreaking. So right now, we’re still missing many facts about what happened and have only speculation to go on for much of it.
The Trump documents controversy, on the other hand, began when the National Archives realized, a few months after Trump left office, that various documents from his administration that should be archived under the Presidential Records Act were missing. A lengthy back-and-forth ensued: Trump eventually returned some boxes that contained classified material, the Archives thought he was still holding some back and asked the FBI to get involved, and Trump appeared to defy a grand jury subpoena to turn over the documents.

So in August, the FBI got a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago, and they found dozens more documents with classified markings there, per prosecutors. We still don’t know exactly what was in those documents — that’s a bit of a problem with publicly assessing the strength of cases like this, since the information remains classified.

But the Washington Post reported that some documents had “highly sensitive intelligence regarding Iran and China,” including a description of Iran’s missile programs, and prosecutors have expressed concern that the information could jeopardize human intelligence sources.

Yet reports have suggested the DOJ prosecutors and FBI agents working on this investigation are not in full agreement about the strength of the case.

According to a Washington Post report in December, the FBI initially wasn’t sure it wanted to take up the case at all, and some agents “weren’t certain” they had probable cause for a search. And back in October, Bloomberg News reported that some “internal critics” in the FBI were questioning why Trump would be charged when Hillary Clinton wasn’t in her own classified information investigation. (Clinton had some classified information in email chains sent to her personal email account that she had used for work; Trump had paper documents in boxes at Mar-a-Lago.)

Furthermore, another Washington Post story suggests that the more ominous and speculative theories about Trump’s motives in keeping classified documents weren’t founded, in investigators’ eyes. They’ve come to believe, instead, that his motive was “largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos.”

That would not get him off the hook for violating classified information law, but it’s certainly less of a clear-cut threat to national security than, say, the attempted selling of documents would be.

The differences between the two cases so far​

There is a core similarity here in that classified documents were found at both the Penn Biden Center and Mar-a-Lago. There are also many differences, as well as other issues where we lack sufficient information to know what’s similar and different:

• There were purportedly 10 documents with classified markings at the Penn Biden Center and a “small number” at Biden’s Wilmington residence; over 300 were at Mar-a-Lago.
• Some of the Mar-a-Lago documents were reportedly very sensitive, involving intelligence about Iran and China. Some of the Biden Center documents were intelligence briefing materials about politically sensitive countries like Iran and Ukraine.
• Biden’s team claims to have returned the documents as soon as they discovered them, volunteering them to the National Archives without being asked. Trump, when asked by the Archives to return missing documents, gave back some but fought hard against returning others, including reportedly ordering some boxes moved to hide them from visiting government officials.
• Trump insisted the classified documents be kept at Mar-a-Lago. Biden’s level of involvement in keeping the documents is unclear, but they were reportedly found among other personal documents of his.
• Investigators believe Trump’s motive in retaining the documents was his “ego,” while it’s still unclear how the Biden Center documents got there.

Prosecutors will weigh all these topics in determining whether to bring charges. But the politics will be tough to avoid, too. There were already internal skeptics of the Trump case before the Biden news broke, and they were already going to have powerful subpoena-equipped allies in the GOP-led House of Representatives. Now they will surely be more active in criticizing any perceived double standard — and Garland and Smith may well think even harder before charging Trump.

Trump didn't refuse to do anything... he was working with the archives to try and keep what he took to his home... they told him to put an additional lock on the door and the next thing he knows he has FBI agents raiding his home while he was out of town....

 

[struth]

You mean they sat in a closet for 6 years. When is he waiting to sell them to China? When he's 100?

oh I believe he already did

 

[Rambunctious]

Trump told the archives people if they need anything at all just call him... that's not a refusal to turn over documents... the media is lying about that....

 

[sealybobo]

You would know its all true if you didn't listen to biased Trump hating networks for your news....

Yea I need to go get my news from Infowars and Alex Jones. You're a twat.

The guy investigating Biden is a Trump appointee. He's going to go after Biden and get him for as much as he can. The media can't hide that you stupid American fool. Whenever you don't like the facts, you call it fake news. Move to Brazil you bitch!

 

[sealybobo]

oh I believe he already did

And he didn't burn them?

Trump didn't have time to sell them. Not all of them. We know he gave some to the Saudi's because they gave Jared Kushner $2 billion dollars.

Imagine if the Chinese gave Hunter $2 billion dollars. You'd lose your fucking small minds.

 

[Rambunctious]

Yea I need to go get my news from Infowars and Alex Jones. You're a twat.

The guy investigating Biden is a Trump appointee. He's going to go after Biden and get him for as much as he can. The media can't hide that you stupid American fool. Whenever you don't like the facts, you call it fake news. Move to Brazil you bitch!

Turn on FOX... I don't get my news from info wars... get real....

 

[struth]

How do you know it was dozens? I found this.

It’s unclear precisely how many classified materials have been obtained from Biden’s office and home. Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president, said Monday that “a small number of documents with classified markings” were discovered on Nov. 2, 2022, in a locked closet at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, a think tank in Washington, as Biden’s personal attorneys were clearing out the offices.

So clearly you are making shit up.

Now compare this to what we know about Trump

On Thursday, Sauber said a second batch of documents with classified markings — a “small number,” he said — had been found in a storage space in Biden’s garage in Wilmington, Delaware, with one document being located in Biden’s personal library in his home.

TRUMP: Roughly 300 documents with classification markings — including some at the top secret level — have been recovered from Trump since he left office in January 2021.

Sauber is a Trump appointee. Is he lying too?

based on the reporting....classified material was found in his private office, his garage and now in his home study

 

[Rambunctious]

And he didn't burn them?

Trump didn't have time to sell them. Not all of them. We know he gave some to the Saudi's because they gave Jared Kushner $2 billion dollars.

Imagine if the Chinese gave Hunter $2 billion dollars. You'd lose your fucking small minds.

Total BS...

 

[sealybobo]

Trump told the archives people if they need anything at all just call him... that's not a refusal to turn over documents... the media is lying about that....

How the fuck would you know? Did Trump tell you that on twitter? And you believed him?

 

[struth]

And he didn't burn them?

Trump didn't have time to sell them. Not all of them. We know he gave some to the Saudi's because they gave Jared Kushner $2 billion dollars.

Imagine if the Chinese gave Hunter $2 billion dollars. You'd lose your fucking small minds.

nope, apparently he didn't burn them.

yes, we knowTrump didnt sell them he didn'thave time, because he wasn't stealing them and hiding them like Xiden did. That's what someone does when they have corrupt intent...hides them

 

[Rambunctious]

based on the reporting....classified material was found in his private office, his garage and now in his home study

Right next to a car that gets about 10 MPG..... a gas guzzler like the ones he wants to keep us from owning....