Why the death penalty? 67 year old murderer, released on parole, murders a woman with a knife.

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nope that doesn't work either, since a gun is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

What we need to do is address issues like addiction, poverty, racism, mental illness.... that's how we reduce crime. This is what the Europeans have done, and they have nowhere near our crime rates.

The point is, the additional security measures taken to guard a Death Row inmate so he doesn't take out a few guards on the way out would make it prohibitively expensive if you applied it to all the darkies... um, sorry, I mean, all the "criminals"

Death row inmates don't get any special expensive guarding. That's such bullshit, just like your 43 times figure as if guns jump out of drawers and cabinets and shoot family members. The reason people like you are safe in your home without a gun is because of people like us that do have guns. Don't believe me, then get a huge sign made that says THIS HOUSEHOLD HAS NO FIREARMS, hang that on your front porch, and get back to us in a few months (if you're still alive) and tell us how that worked out for you.

We don't need to address addiction, poverty and racism. Racism is made up as there are plenty of successful minorities in this country and nothing but an excuse for failure. Addiction is something you did to yourself unless you got hooked on prescribed medication, and you can get medical help for that on your own. Poverty is the situation of having no money or little of it. The solution to poverty is getting money. The way to get money is getting a job and working a lot of hours. We had mental health under control. But Geraldo in the 70's had his own television show. He started a movement stating that mental institutions were unconstitutional because we are locking up non-criminal citizens. It got to some liberal judge and he ruled the same. The institutions had to open their doors and let everybody out. They are still roaming our streets today. If you want to solve that problem, vote Republican so we can get more conservative judges back on the bench and force out the liberal ones that caused the problem in the first place.

 

[2aguy]

Because they always have some last hope that their execution will be halted by the Governor. In fact that just happened in my state. Our Republican back stabbing Governor stopped three executions thus far. That idiot Kasich did the same when he was Governor.

By your own testimony the death penalty nor prisons work. Do you see why it's up to the law abiding citizen to be armed in this country?

Nope that doesn't work either, since a gun is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

What we need to do is address issues like addiction, poverty, racism, mental illness.... that's how we reduce crime. This is what the Europeans have done, and they have nowhere near our crime rates.

The point is, the additional security measures taken to guard a Death Row inmate so he doesn't take out a few guards on the way out would make it prohibitively expensive if you applied it to all the darkies... um, sorry, I mean, all the "criminals"
...

That lie again. No...a gun is not 43 times more likely to kill you if you own it. You have been shown this is a lie over and over again, you have been shown that Kellerman changed his research when he was called out on that lie....

We need to keep violent criminals locked up...then address the other problems....but letting out the people who actually do the shooting doesn't stop the shooting, you doofus.

 

[2aguy]

Nope that doesn't work either, since a gun is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy.

What we need to do is address issues like addiction, poverty, racism, mental illness.... that's how we reduce crime. This is what the Europeans have done, and they have nowhere near our crime rates.

The point is, the additional security measures taken to guard a Death Row inmate so he doesn't take out a few guards on the way out would make it prohibitively expensive if you applied it to all the darkies... um, sorry, I mean, all the "criminals"

Death row inmates don't get any special expensive guarding. That's such bullshit, just like your 43 times figure as if guns jump out of drawers and cabinets and shoot family members. The reason people like you are safe in your home without a gun is because of people like us that do have guns. Don't believe me, then get a huge sign made that says THIS HOUSEHOLD HAS NO FIREARMS, hang that on your front porch, and get back to us in a few months (if you're still alive) and tell us how that worked out for you.

We don't need to address addiction, poverty and racism. Racism is made up as there are plenty of successful minorities in this country and nothing but an excuse for failure. Addiction is something you did to yourself unless you got hooked on prescribed medication, and you can get medical help for that on your own. Poverty is the situation of having no money or little of it. The solution to poverty is getting money. The way to get money is getting a job and working a lot of hours. We had mental health under control. But Geraldo in the 70's had his own television show. He started a movement stating that mental institutions were unconstitutional because we are locking up non-criminal citizens. It got to some liberal judge and he ruled the same. The institutions had to open their doors and let everybody out. They are still roaming our streets today. If you want to solve that problem, vote Republican so we can get more conservative judges back on the bench and force out the liberal ones that caused the problem in the first place.

Yep....

 

[JoeB131]

Death row inmates don't get any special expensive guarding. That's such bullshit, just like your 43 times figure as if guns jump out of drawers and cabinets and shoot family members. The reason people like you are safe in your home without a gun is because of people like us that do have guns. Don't believe me, then get a huge sign made that says THIS HOUSEHOLD HAS NO FIREARMS, hang that on your front porch, and get back to us in a few months (if you're still alive) and tell us how that worked out for you.

Guy, we are not safer because of guns...

I don't own a gun because, frankly, I got that shit out of my system in the army. But every day I see "no gun allowed" stickers everywhere, CCTV, Active Shooter Drills, metal detectors, security guards... because the world has to work around your fetish.

That lie again. No...a gun is not 43 times more likely to kill you if you own it. You have been shown this is a lie over and over again, you have been shown that Kellerman changed his research when he was called out on that lie....

Guy, you haven't proven anything.

Show me tape were Kellerman says, "I got it wrong".

Thanks.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Guy, we are not safer because of guns...

I don't own a gun because, frankly, I got that shit out of my system in the army. But every day I see "no gun allowed" stickers everywhere, CCTV, Active Shooter Drills, metal detectors, security guards... because the world has to work around your fetish.

Those won't go away if you disarm good law abiding citizens. All you really do is make law abiding citizens victims which is what the Democrat party really wants.

When we adopted our CCW program, included was the ability for businesses to restrict guns. Those signs were all over the place and I'd bet that 80% of our stores and businesses had the sign posted on their doors. We started to deal only with businesses that didn't have those signs and even had a boycott internet site. Today you don't see those signs anywhere. Our CCW program was so popular among the people in our state and retailers realized that as we preponderated, they would be losing a lot of sales. In fact the grocery store nearest to my home didn't take down those signs, and they ended up closing for good.

 

[2aguy]

Death row inmates don't get any special expensive guarding. That's such bullshit, just like your 43 times figure as if guns jump out of drawers and cabinets and shoot family members. The reason people like you are safe in your home without a gun is because of people like us that do have guns. Don't believe me, then get a huge sign made that says THIS HOUSEHOLD HAS NO FIREARMS, hang that on your front porch, and get back to us in a few months (if you're still alive) and tell us how that worked out for you.

Guy, we are not safer because of guns...

I don't own a gun because, frankly, I got that shit out of my system in the army. But every day I see "no gun allowed" stickers everywhere, CCTV, Active Shooter Drills, metal detectors, security guards... because the world has to work around your fetish.

That lie again. No...a gun is not 43 times more likely to kill you if you own it. You have been shown this is a lie over and over again, you have been shown that Kellerman changed his research when he was called out on that lie....

Guy, you haven't proven anything.

Show me tape were Kellerman says, "I got it wrong".

Thanks.

Here.....again....

Kellerman who did the study that came up with the 43 times more likely myth, was forced to do the research over when other academics pointed out how flawed his methods were....he then changed the 43 times number to 2.7, but he was still using flawed data to get even that number.....

Below is the study where he changed the number from 43 to 2.7 and below that is the explanation as to why that number isn't even accurate.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

After controlling for these characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7;

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Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"

To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17] This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. [3]

Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]

Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology. He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect." His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .


From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.


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Public Health and Gun Control: A Review



Since at least the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellermann (and associates), whose work had been heavily-funded by the CDC, published a series of studies purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don¹t.

In a 1986 NEJM paper, Dr. Kellermann and associates, for example, claimed their "scientific research" proved that defending oneself or one¹s family with a firearm in the home is dangerous and counter productive, claiming "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."8

In a critical review and now classic article published in the March 1994 issue of the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia (JMAG), Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), found evidence of "methodologic and conceptual errors," such as prejudicially truncated data and the listing of "the correct methodology which was described but never used by the authors."5

Moreover, the gun control researchers failed to consider and underestimated the protective benefits of guns.

Dr. Suter writes: "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives and medical costs saved, the injuries prevented, and the property protected ‹ not the burglar or rapist body count.

Since only 0.1 - 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000."5

In 1993, in his landmark and much cited NEJM article (and the research, again, heavily funded by the CDC), Dr. Kellermann attempted to show again that guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than to the assailants.4 Despite valid criticisms by reputable scholars of his previous works (including the 1986 study), Dr. Kellermann ignored the criticisms and again used the same methodology.

He also used study populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction from three selected state counties, known to be unrepresentative of the general U.S. population.

For example,

53 percent of the case subjects had a history of a household member being arrested,

31 percent had a household history of illicit drug use, 32 percent had a household member hit or hurt in a family fight, and

17 percent had a family member hurt so seriously in a domestic altercation that prompt medical attention was required.
Moreover, both the case studies and control groups in this analysis had a very high incidence of financial instability.

In fact, in this study, gun ownership, the supposedly high risk factor for homicide was not one of the most strongly associated factors for being murdered.

Drinking, illicit drugs, living alone, history of family violence, living in a rented home were all greater individual risk factors for being murdered than a gun in the home. One must conclude there is no basis to apply the conclusions of this study to the general population.

All of these are factors that, as Dr. Suter pointed out, "would expectedly be associated with higher rates of violence and homicide."5

It goes without saying, the results of such a study on gun homicides, selecting this sort of unrepresentative population sample, nullify the authors' generalizations, and their preordained, conclusions can not be extrapolated to the general population.

Moreover, although the 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study purported to show that the homicide victims were killed with a gun ordinarily kept in the home, the fact is that as Kates and associates point out 71.1 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who did not live in the victims¹ household using guns presumably not kept in that home.6

 

[Notaradical60]

This is why I support the death penalty.......you can never trust the government, in particular, the democrat party, to keep violent monsters locked up....and when they are released, more innocents suffer and die...

Only weeks after his parole conditions were lifted by the state of California and he was released to society, a 67-year-old convicted murderer in Los Angeles who killed a woman in 1982 was charged with the stabbing murder of another woman.

According to court documents, Eddie Allen Harris murdered a woman in South Los Angeles on March 23.


“According to LAPD, officers responded to E. 59th Place & South Main Street in south Los Angeles at around 5:30 a.m., where they found a deceased Black woman in an alley with lacerations across her body,” FOX 11 reported. Citing court documents, FOX 11 noted that in 1982, “Harris was convicted of murdering another woman in Los Angeles County.” Harris “raped and stabbed a woman to death before leaving her body in an alley.”

Police arrested Harris on April 8.

The state granted Harris parole in 2018 after over 30 years in prison. His parole conditions were terminated this year.

‘It’s An Appalling Story’: 67-Year-Old Murderer Charged With Another Murder Only Weeks After Parole Conditions Lifted | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Defunding the police can only help with this.

It"s an all to common story that gets little or no attention. Our prisons are so corrupt and violent that rehabilitation is next to impossible. Survival through violence intimidation extortion and other nefarious activities is what inmates learn. When a person deserves to be taken out of Society we place them in the most dangerous, violent dehumanizing environment imaginable and expect them to come out as productive citizens. " Prison" should be for Criminals who never deserve to be loose in society again. Mandatory life for Murder , Rape , Aggravated kidnapping, Child molestation

 

[Notaradical60]

The people who parole people like this should be executed after the trial.

I don't know if there is much they could do. But throwing an institutionalized person into the public at that age with no income is pretty awful as well. I'm sure he didn't contribute much to Social Security given he only worked a short time before going to prison, so that pays nothing, especially in a commie state where the cost of living is outrageous.

Maybe the people on the parole board should be elected officials. That way the people at least have some control over it.

Maybe the Parole question should be left to the community where the Crime was committed. Parole applicant gets to present his request to a panel of his peers just like when he was convicted. Panel rotates every 30 days or so. No requirements for sitting on panel except you have to be a resident of the community. And yes you would have to show ID to prove you live there. Panel of 11 one no vote to deny 2/3 to approve. . Since one vote can change a verdict one vote should be sufficient to not overturn one. Equal protection for society as a whole.

 

[Notaradical60]

The people who parole people like this should be executed after the trial.

I don't know if there is much they could do. But throwing an institutionalized person into the public at that age with no income is pretty awful as well. I'm sure he didn't contribute much to Social Security given he only worked a short time before going to prison, so that pays nothing, especially in a commie state where the cost of living is outrageous.

Maybe the people on the parole board should be elected officials. That way the people at least have some control over it.

Maybe the Parole question should be left to the community where the Crime was committed. Parole applicant gets to present his request to a panel of his peers just like when he was convicted. Panel rotates every 30 days or so. No requirements for sitting on panel except you have to be a resident of the community. And yes you would have to show ID to prove you live there. Panel of 11 one no vote to deny 2/3 to approve. . Since one vote can change a verdict one vote should be sufficient to not overturn one. Equal protection for society as a whole.

A family member of mine was murdered by a recidivist Criminal serving a 29 yr term for Aggravated kidnapping assault with a deadly weapon and aggravated robbery and Burglary. He was released on parole after 9 yrs and murdered my father after just 3 months on the street. the man was 49 and had spent over 35 yrs in and out of prison. Let communities decide the fate of the criminals they convict and sentence.

 

[Notaradical60]

This is why I support the death penalty.......you can never trust the government, in particular, the democrat party, to keep violent monsters locked up....and when they are released, more innocents suffer and die...

Only weeks after his parole conditions were lifted by the state of California and he was released to society, a 67-year-old convicted murderer in Los Angeles who killed a woman in 1982 was charged with the stabbing murder of another woman.

According to court documents, Eddie Allen Harris murdered a woman in South Los Angeles on March 23.


“According to LAPD, officers responded to E. 59th Place & South Main Street in south Los Angeles at around 5:30 a.m., where they found a deceased Black woman in an alley with lacerations across her body,” FOX 11 reported. Citing court documents, FOX 11 noted that in 1982, “Harris was convicted of murdering another woman in Los Angeles County.” Harris “raped and stabbed a woman to death before leaving her body in an alley.”

Police arrested Harris on April 8.

The state granted Harris parole in 2018 after over 30 years in prison. His parole conditions were terminated this year.

‘It’s An Appalling Story’: 67-Year-Old Murderer Charged With Another Murder Only Weeks After Parole Conditions Lifted | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

While I do not place the blame on Democrats after trump signed watering down sentencing guidelines that release prisoners. I do support the death penalty. When carried out, a predator of society found, identified, tried, convicted and sentenced will never, ever strike again. The success rate is 100% as a preventative measure and recidivism is uniformly 0%.

death is to easy. Prison should be for the most dangerous elements of our Society a place you go and never come home from. Rape Murder Child molestation , Kidnapping, and maybe a few others should carry life without any possibility of parole in complete isolation. Until jails are made into places people never want to end up this will continue.

 

[White 6]

This is why I support the death penalty.......you can never trust the government, in particular, the democrat party, to keep violent monsters locked up....and when they are released, more innocents suffer and die...

Only weeks after his parole conditions were lifted by the state of California and he was released to society, a 67-year-old convicted murderer in Los Angeles who killed a woman in 1982 was charged with the stabbing murder of another woman.

According to court documents, Eddie Allen Harris murdered a woman in South Los Angeles on March 23.


“According to LAPD, officers responded to E. 59th Place & South Main Street in south Los Angeles at around 5:30 a.m., where they found a deceased Black woman in an alley with lacerations across her body,” FOX 11 reported. Citing court documents, FOX 11 noted that in 1982, “Harris was convicted of murdering another woman in Los Angeles County.” Harris “raped and stabbed a woman to death before leaving her body in an alley.”

Police arrested Harris on April 8.

The state granted Harris parole in 2018 after over 30 years in prison. His parole conditions were terminated this year.

‘It’s An Appalling Story’: 67-Year-Old Murderer Charged With Another Murder Only Weeks After Parole Conditions Lifted | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

While I do not place the blame on Democrats after trump signed watering down sentencing guidelines that release prisoners. I do support the death penalty. When carried out, a predator of society found, identified, tried, convicted and sentenced will never, ever strike again. The success rate is 100% as a preventative measure and recidivism is uniformly 0%.

death is to easy. Prison should be for the most dangerous elements of our Society a place you go and never come home from. Rape Murder Child molestation , Kidnapping, and maybe a few others should carry life without any possibility of parole in complete isolation. Until jails are made into places people never want to end up this will continue.

Normal people do not want to go there now, but does not stop them from committing intolerable, horrible crimes. I am not a sanctity of human life kind of guy. Your life is sanctified by your deeds and interactions with your fellow man. Some are so horrible and anti-humanity they deserve the death penalty. Failing that, no need to ever release some from prison as now their retirement plan.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Normal people do not want to go there now, but does not stop them from committing intolerable, horrible crimes.

Normal people normally don't do those kinds of things, and prison would be hell for them if they did. But look at it this way: you're an uneducated black living in the projects, with roaches crawling up and down your walls, you don't have the intelligence or education to make any kind of money, so what's the penalty if you commit a serious crime? Go to a clean complex that's not rodent or insect infested, get three square meals a day, already have friends and/or family members there, a workout room, a pool room, a field outside to play sports, cable television, limited internet use, make some money doing prison jobs, free medical care?

And if or when you get out, you have what they call street cred. You are admired by your peers.

 

[White 6]

Normal people do not want to go there now, but does not stop them from committing intolerable, horrible crimes.

Normal people normally don't do those kinds of things, and prison would be hell for them if they did. But look at it this way: you're an uneducated black living in the projects, with roaches crawling up and down your walls, you don't have the intelligence or education to make any kind of money, so what's the penalty if you commit a serious crime? Go to a clean complex that's not rodent or insect infested, get three square meals a day, already have friends and/or family members there, a workout room, a pool room, a field outside to play sports, cable television, limited internet use, make some money doing prison jobs, free medical care?

And if or when you get out, you have what they call street cred. You are admired by your peers.

Exactly right. Hell of a retirement plan for people of low moral character, and low ambition if it calls for personal sweat equity investment. That being the case, I have no problem with long sentences as they sometimes commit even more heinous crimes after getting out, possibly subliminally wanting or expecting to go back. If heinous enough, I have no problem with the death penalty to protect society from them.

 

[JoeB131]

Those won't go away if you disarm good law abiding citizens. All you really do is make law abiding citizens victims which is what the Democrat party really wants.

Again, Law Abiding Citizens are responsible for most of the gun deaths, as the majority are domestic violence, suicide and accidents.

 

[JoeB131]

Normal people normally don't do those kinds of things, and prison would be hell for them if they did. But look at it this way: you're an uneducated black living in the projects, with roaches crawling up and down your walls, you don't have the intelligence or education to make any kind of money, so what's the penalty if you commit a serious crime? Go to a clean complex that's not rodent or insect infested, get three square meals a day, already have friends and/or family members there, a workout room, a pool room, a field outside to play sports, cable television, limited internet use, make some money doing prison jobs, free medical care?

Tell us again how you aren't racist, Ray.

That shit never gets old.

 

[2aguy]

Those won't go away if you disarm good law abiding citizens. All you really do is make law abiding citizens victims which is what the Democrat party really wants.

Again, Law Abiding Citizens are responsible for most of the gun deaths, as the majority are domestic violence, suicide and accidents.

No...they are not....that is a lie. You know that is a lie, and you still keep saying it......

Even in domestic violence, you lying sack of shit, the ones murdering their girlfriends and wives are criminals with long histories of crime and violence. They are not normal people who had a bad day at work....you lying sack of shit....

The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.
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Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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http://www.haciendapublishing.com/m...art-ii-gun-violence-and-constitutional-issues


Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)



Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)

 

[JoeB131]

No...they are not....that is a lie. You know that is a lie, and you still keep saying it......

Even in domestic violence, you lying sack of shit, the ones murdering their girlfriends and wives are criminals with long histories of crime and violence. They are not normal people who had a bad day at work....you lying sack of shit....

Again, we are the only country that has these kinds of problems.

How is it every mass shooter has no problem buying a gun, sometimes hours before they go on their rampages?

 

[2aguy]

No...they are not....that is a lie. You know that is a lie, and you still keep saying it......

Even in domestic violence, you lying sack of shit, the ones murdering their girlfriends and wives are criminals with long histories of crime and violence. They are not normal people who had a bad day at work....you lying sack of shit....

Again, we are the only country that has these kinds of problems.

How is it every mass shooter has no problem buying a gun, sometimes hours before they go on their rampages?

Because they are not criminals with criminal records that would prevent them from buying a gun....

And for 10 mass shooters in 2019, one mass shooter in 2020, and 12 in 2018 in a country of over 320 million people, mass public shootings aren't the problem........

and they can be stopped if we get rid of gun free zones, that they target, and start dealing with the mentally ill...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Again, Law Abiding Citizens are responsible for most of the gun deaths, as the majority are domestic violence, suicide and accidents.

What do you have in your city, like 20 shootings every week? Are you going to tell me they are mostly domestic, accidents and suicides? Of course not. Most of them are drug/ gang related shootings, and those people are not allowed to own a firearm yet alone carry one.

 

[2aguy]

Again, Law Abiding Citizens are responsible for most of the gun deaths, as the majority are domestic violence, suicide and accidents.

What do you have in your city, like 20 shootings every week? Are you going to tell me they are mostly domestic, accidents and suicides? Of course not. Most of them are drug/ gang related shootings, and those people are not allowed to own a firearm yet alone carry one.

And the domestic shootings are gang bangers killing their baby mommas, or their siblings, or mothers......

Also, in kellermans research, a drug dealer getting shot by a buyer is considered someone killed by someone you know......kellerman is a doofus.