Why Syria & Iran Can Help And How

[rtwngAvngr]

Again, its not about bribery. Nowhere here is bribery of any sort mentioned.

Its all about communication and a clear understanding of goals and consequences.

Baker has been talking to the Syrians, its likely Gates will be talking to the Iranians.

It is bribery, Nato. "Help us and we'll give you someone else's land". We don't need or want allies like this.

 

[dilloduck]

Syria is desperate for peace with Israel

You're kidding right?

 

[NATO AIR]

You're kidding right?

Yes, because they're #1 on Israel's shit list. And while Israel cannot topple the regime in Iran, they can certainly achieve regime change in Syria, though they choose not to because the Muslim Brotherhood would take power.

Syria does not have the resources or military of Egypt, the oil and vast territory Iran has, nor the oil and massive international friendships Saudi has. They are the most endangered Arab state in any conflict with Israel. Their cash flow in Lebanon was taken away in 2005, they have little trade with the West and desperately want and need it.

In other words, peace with Israel is considered a strong possibility by both Syrians and Israelis. It has been for at least the last decade.

 

[dilloduck]

Yes, because they're #1 on Israel's shit list. And while Israel cannot topple the regime in Iran, they can certainly achieve regime change in Syria, though they choose not to because the Muslim Brotherhood would take power.

Syria does not have the resources or military of Egypt, the oil and vast territory Iran has, nor the oil and massive international friendships Saudi has. They are the most endangered Arab state in any conflict with Israel. Their cash flow in Lebanon was taken away in 2005, they have little trade with the West and desperately want and need it.

In other words, peace with Israel is considered a strong possibility by both Syrians and Israelis. It has been for at least the last decade.

Has Iran given Syria its' stamp of approval on this deal?

 

[NATO AIR]

Has Iran given Syria its' stamp of approval on this deal?

Syria's survival is tied to its relations with Israel, not Iran.

 

[dilloduck]

Syria's survival is tied to its relations with Israel, not Iran.

It's probably even more connected to the whims of the Council on Foreign Affairs. Let's face it--whose idea is this anyway ?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Syria's survival is tied to its relations with Israel, not Iran.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[ekrem]

1. Syria is made stronger then it really is.
2. Assad is the good guy of all available options within Syria.
3. In early 2000 Ehud Barak cabinet had the last peace negotiations with Syria. The negotiations went so far that Israel accepted to leave the Golan heights. The same year the peace talks were stopped and when Sharon came he wanted to begin peace talks from the beginning and not where Barak cabinet stopped.
4. Today Syria is willing to adopt peace talks with Israel without pre-condition but Golan question will inevitably come again on the table. And current Israel is not ready for such talks.
5. Syria does have not much supporters in the region. 3 of them are Iran, Russia and Turkey. The Iran component is the one Syria will abolish the same day once it has settled its problems with Israel.



SYRIA WELCOMES TURKEY'S BID FOR TALKS
http://www.tusiad.us/specific_page.cfm?CONTENT_ID=430


Syrian foreign minister urges Israel to resume peace talks
November 6, 2006
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/06/africa/ME_GEN_Syria_Israel.php

 

[dilloduck]

The Iran component is the one Syria will abolish the same day once it has settled its problems with Israel.

What does the US have to pay to "settle" Syrias' problem with Israel?

 

[manu1959]

What does the US have to pay to "settle" Syrias' problem with Israel?

close all military bases.....man the boarders...build toweres and fences...whish the rest of the world luck.......

 

[rtwngAvngr]

close all military bases.....man the boarders...build toweres and fences...whish the rest of the world luck.......

Nobody's saying that manu. We're trying to understand the logic of negotiating with terrorists.

 

[ekrem]

What does the US have to pay to "settle" Syrias' problem with Israel?

I do not know. I am no politician.
But from bigger view "USA" has nothing to loose but Israel, as successful and most important lasting peace between Israel and Syria will include settlement on boarder dispute between both countries. Current boarders are extended by Israel into Syrian territory.

I would say that Syrian Anti-Israelism is based on concrete issues like boarder dispute primarily and secondly on Palestinian issue. Iran has not such an issue with Israel and their problem is more "complicated".
But if Syria can not gain these territories again by non-militarily initiatives it will behave in an Anti-Israeli way like it does and will boost cooperation with countries like Iran.
Syria has not much in common with Iran but they have the same enemy.

 

[dilloduck]

close all military bases.....man the boarders...build toweres and fences...whish the rest of the world luck.......

If we isolate ourselves we wouldnt owe Syria anything would we ?

 

[ekrem]

Nobody's saying that manu. We're trying to understand the logic of negotiating with terrorists.

Syria is ruled by an Alevite sect which is the absolute minority within Syria.
But anyway Syrian government has full support by Syrian Sunnite population.
Syria is actually in terrorist activities but if there is a way to establish an environment to stop these activities, why not try?

Syria in no Mullah-country like Iran or the other side of the extreme-scale Saudi-Arabia.
This is Ms. Assad

No burka, no Mullah. You will find other women like these in Assad cabinet.
So a view of a "fundamentalist" Syria which maybe was not stated here but might be thought by US audience is totally wrong.
Syria is the country most alike to Turkey and my city is about 100 km of Syria away.

All Anti-Israelian activities by Syria are based on concrete issues without valuing these issues.
So to stop these activities these issues must be negotiated even if the territory losses by Syria was based on Syrian participation in the Arab-Israel war.
From my view if these issues will be gone, there is no "religious" component which will poison Syrian-Israel relations which probably is the case in Israel-Iran relations.

 

[NATO AIR]

Thank you Canavar, you hit the nail on the head.

If anyone will get a deal with Syria, it will be Pappy Bush and James Baker, the men who got Syria's help in the Persian Gulf War. They can and will get it again.

Iran is the trickier and admittedly less likely co-op candidate.

 

[dilloduck]

Syria is ruled by an Alevite sect which is the absolute minority within Syria.
But anyway Syrian government has full support by Syrian Sunnite population.
Syria is actually in terrorist activities but if there is a way to establish an environment to stop these activities, why not try?

Syria in no Mullah-country like Iran or the other side of the extreme-scale Saudi-Arabia.
This is Ms. Assad

No burka, no Mullah. You will find other women like these in Assad cabinet.
So a view of a "fundamentalist" Syria which maybe was not stated here but might be thought by US audience is totally wrong.
Syria is the country most alike to Turkey and my city is about 100 km of Syria away.

All Anti-Israelian activities by Syria are based on concrete issues without valuing these issues.
So to stop these activities these issues must be negotiated even if the territory losses by Syria was based on Syrian participation in the Arab-Israel war.
From my view if these issues will be gone, there is no "religious" component which will poison Syrian-Israel relations which probably is the case in Israel-Iran relations.

I get it !-----If we tell Israel they have to give back the Golan Heights then Syria will stop allowing Iran from pumping tons of arms into Lebanon. Iran probably won't care.

 

[ekrem]

I get it !-----If we tell Israel they have to give back the Golan Heights then Syria will stop allowing Iran from pumping tons of arms into Lebanon. Iran probably won't care.

Golan is crucial as it is an springboard into Syria or the other way. And most important controls water resources in Israel, Jordan and Lebanon. From Golan originate many influx rivers which inject to the big river Jordan, the Genezareth Sea or the Dead Sea.
So Golan is an water issue which is very important for the most water exhausting State around, namely Israel.

So best would be to politically support meditation of Turkey between both, as Turkey offered many times.
Turkey has good relations to both of them and determining for what it is all about extensive water ressources as Turkey does currently only uses 36% of its water potential.

 

[dilloduck]

Golan is crucial as it is an springboard into Syria or the other way. And most important controls water resources in Israel, Jordan and Lebanon. From Golan originate many influx rivers which inject to the big river Jordan, the Genezareth Sea or the Dead Sea.
So Golan is an water issue which is very important for the most water exhausting State around, namely Israel.

So best would be to politically support meditation of Turkey between both, as Turkey offered many times.
Turkey has good relations to both of them and determining for what it is all about extensive water ressources as Turkey does currently only uses 36% of its water potential.

What's in it for Turkey?

 

[manu1959]

Nobody's saying that manu. We're trying to understand the logic of negotiating with terrorists.

i am...don't negotiate ...shoot them

 

[Gunny]

i am...don't negotiate ...shoot them

Have you considered applying for John Bolton's job? Hell, I'll vote for ya'!