Why Still High Speed Chases?

[Natural Citizen]

Well I'm pretty sure one of the intended purposes of having everyone drive one of those limp-wristed ipads on wheels is so that the government can take advantage of the kill switch mandate that they tucked away in their infrastructure bill.

The government, through its infrastructure bill, mandates that every new car from 2026 forward have a kill switch.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There was a time in culture and history when driving a car signified freedom. Particularly in the 50s-40s

And government can't have that, now, can it....

 

[Rigby5]

Odd. I see it on the nightly news two or three times a week. Or, is this your opinion?

There are LOTS of illegal things you see all the time these days.
Like no-knock-warrants, mandatory sentences, asset forfeiture, police pointing guns at unarmed suspects, police shooting fleeing suspects, etc.
These are all clearly illegal.
What is wrong is police these days incorrectly believe they have what ever authority some bureaucrats decide to give them, and that is wrong.
There is no way legislators can give police that authority because legislators do not have it to give.
Legislators have no more authority than the individuals they represent.
None of these recent abuses of rights the police have absorbed are remotely legal.

 

[toobfreak]

I have only lived in NM for about 5 years now, but everywhere else I have ever lived, high speed chases have been illegal for over 50 years.

Believe me, here is the long term plan:

1. Get everyone over into newer EV cars.
2. Install transponders in every car which give out a unique identifying code to police when queried.
3. Give police a tool which allows them to recover the transponder code of any car in sight, then radio back to it a code to shut down.

In the future, they will simply radio your car to turn off when the police want you. No need to chase. With auto-drive, they can command your car to pull over, even turn you into the police at the station!

Lock the car doors, too.

Once they get into full swing, they will lock you out of your car and shut it down for any number of reasons:

• Late alimony.
• Failure to pay taxes.
• Suspicion of being a lowlife.

 

[Rigby5]

SoCal sets the standard for high speed chases...

SoCal has the most corrupt government in the whole US.
The police legally are not superior in authority to anyone, and actually are less, since they only borrow delegated authority from us.
High speed chases do not serve us, but instead make us more at risk.
So they can never be legal.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There are LOTS of illegal things you see all the time these days.
Like no-knock-warrants, mandatory sentences, asset forfeiture, police pointing guns at unarmed suspects, police shooting fleeing suspects, etc.
These are all clearly illegal.
What is wrong is police these days incorrectly believe they have what ever authority some bureaucrats decide to give them, and that is wrong.
There is no way legislators can give police that authority because legislators do not have it to give.
Legislators have no more authority than the individuals they represent.
None of these recent abuses of rights the police have absorbed are remotely legal.

You cannot find actual laws against these things. In your opinion they are illegal or should be illegal. In your moral opinion these things are wrong and immoral to you. To me these tools are not used nearly enough.

 

[martybegan]

Exactly.
The only possible good police do is reduce the number of lynchings.
They certainly do not ever prevent any crime in progress.

So go back to frontier justice?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Rather than a pit maneuver the helicopter should just release a drone and put a small missile through the driver's side window.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

So go back to frontier justice?

The best kind.

 

[martybegan]

The best kind.

It's why we have a justice system in the first place. So we all don't go Hatfield and McCoy.

Of course the current system is fucked up, but we aren't at the point of taking it into our own hands....yet.

 

[Rigby5]

You cannot find actual laws against these things. In your opinion they are illegal or should be illegal. In your moral opinion these things are wrong and immoral to you. To me these tools are not used nearly enough.

You have it backwards.
The legislation is automatically illegal unless it can be justified as necessary in order to defend the inherent rights of someone.

But obviously if someone other than a cop did it, they would be considered a criminal, which means cops are also.
Cops can't legally do anything that everyone can't already do, except for issue citations.

Again you are forgetting in a democratic republic, the defense of the inherent rights of individuals, is the only source of any legal authority. Police, legislators, and all of government, are NOT the source of any legal authority,
We the people are the ONLY source.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You have it backwards.
The legislation is automatically illegal unless it can be justified as necessary in order to defend the inherent rights of someone.

But obviously if someone other than a cop did it, they would be considered a criminal, which means cops are also.
Cops can't legally do anything that everyone can't already do, except for issue citations.

Again you are forgetting in a democratic republic, the defense of the inherent rights of individuals, is the only source of any legal authority. Police, legislators, and all of government, are NOT the source of any legal authority,
We the people are the ONLY source.

So says the sovereign citizen.

 

[Rigby5]

It's why we have a justice system in the first place. So we all don't go Hatfield and McCoy.

Of course the current system is fucked up, but we aren't at the point of taking it into our own hands....yet.

The way the current system is so corrupt is that we have the largest % incarcerated in the world.
We may be so far past the point of taking it into our own hands, that the opportunity has been lost and we are never going to be rid of the increasingly corrupt autocracy.

For example, did anyone even apologize for the half million innocent Iraqis we murdered, based on WMD lies?
But some oil and munitions companies made a lot of money.

 

[Rigby5]

So says the sovereign citizen.

That is the whole point of a democratic republic.
The autocratic government is not longer the source of any authority.
Sovereign citizens are not unbound, but they can only legally be bound when necessary in order to defend the rights of someone else.
Things like high speed chases, the War on Drugs, etc., defend the rights of no one.
They are the acts of an autocracy that threatens the democratic republic.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

That is the whole point of a democratic republic.
The autocratic government is not longer the source of any authority.
Sovereign citizens are not unbound, but they can only legally be bound when necessary in order to defend the rights of someone else.
Things like high speed chases, the War on Drugs, etc., defend the rights of no one.
They are the acts of an autocracy that threatens the democratic republic.

OK. Go ahead.

 

[martybegan]

The way the current system is so corrupt is that we have the largest % incarcerated in the world.
We may be so far past the point of taking it into our own hands, that the opportunity has been lost and we are never going to be rid of the increasingly corrupt autocracy.

For example, did anyone even apologize for the half million innocent Iraqis we murdered, based on WMD lies?
But some oil and munitions companies made a lot of money.

Not applicable. The ability of the US government to execute criminals is Constitutionally sound.

 

[Mac-7]

Unless it is a life or death situation, there should not be high speed chases

How do you define life or death?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Unless a city has enough money for multiple helicopters they cant track a vehicle forever.
A car with a full tank can stay on the road longer than a helicopter can stay in the air.

 

[rightwinger]

How do you define life or death?

Kidnapping, murder