CDZ Why Should Iran Trust America?

[Yarddog]

Given the facts that the United States of America instigated, sponsored, and enabled a military coup which overthrew the democratically elected legal government of Iran, and then supported a tyrannical dictatorship for decades.......why should Iran trust America? Why should Iran give up the right to defend itself from an historic oppressor?

The Iranian people are ruled by Tyrants right now. Did you forget not so long ago they tried to overthrow it? that little rebellion by young college age kids who got stomped on. well Im sure the Iranian government would thank you for your
sympathy for them. Reminds me of an old rolling stones song.

 

[cnm]

that little rebellion by young college age kids who got stomped on.

Where was that again?

Kent State?

Anyway, are you trying to claim that the Shah, installed and supported by the US, was not a tyrant?

 

[Yarddog]

that little rebellion by young college age kids who got stomped on.

Where was that again?

Kent State?

Anyway, are you trying to claim that the Shah, installed and supported by the US, was not a tyrant?

Kent State was an incident cause by trigger happy national guardsmen. Protesters brutally put down In Iran , just their normal way of doing things every day. Whatever the Shaw was, doesnt matter now. What matters now is, what the current Iranian government IS. and what they would do should they have nuclear weapons. Iran has a lot of good people, but those aren't the ones in power I believe.

 

[cnm]

You guys really are nuts......Iran is ruled by evil men...you have no moral compass, and really, really need to have one put in quickly.....

Yet Iran did not invade Iraq in an unprovoked illegal war of aggression. I guess a moral compass was necessary to commit that atrocity.

 

[cnm]

Kent State was an incident cause by trigger happy national guardsmen. Protesters brutally put down In Iran , just their normal way of doing things every day.

Nah, just trigger happy guardsmen is all.

You guys have such double standards. I suppose that is necessary in order to believe your own propaganda.

 

[Yarddog]

Kent State was an incident cause by trigger happy national guardsmen. Protesters brutally put down In Iran , just their normal way of doing things every day.

Nah, just trigger happy guardsmen is all.

You guys have such double standards.

OK, the Us is such a horrible country, especially our president I guess, seeing how you see us as so untrustworthy, well yeah, he did betray Mubarrack in Egypt and overthrow Kadaffi, but besides all that, If you had a choice to live in Iran or the US, which one would you choose?
The real question should be , SHOULD WE TRUST IRAN. They are the ones who got the better deal offered to them by US negotiators crawling on their bellies

Iranian Cleric Having a Nuclear Bomb is Necessary to Put Down Israel Washington Free Beacon

Dont think the Shia in Iran would have any problem whatsoever making a few million martyrs out of the Sunnis living in palestinian territories

 

[cnm]

OK, the Us is such a horrible country, especially our president I guess, seeing how you see us as so untrustworthy, well yeah, he did betray Mubarrack in Egypt and overthrow Kadaffi,

Hey, the broken agreements signed by the US are what demonstrate your trustworthiness, not my view.

 

[Tehon]

Yeah....a real look at the situation in Iran and what really happened....

Iran The Shah Mossadegh and the CIA National Review Online

That’s nonsense, of course, but it’s widely believed nonsense — and not just among college kids who’ve read the first chapter of a Noam Chomsky book. There are serious men who are under the impression that the CIA led a coup to replace an upstanding, democratic reformer named Mohammed Mossadegh with a fascist Shah named Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, and that Pahlavi’s crimes were so atrocious that Iran was driven into the arms of the mullahs. None of that is true. And with Congress getting ready to vote on the Iran deal, everyone could use a little historical perspective.

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Extremely valuable property, legally owned by the British government and British private citizens, had been confiscated by a foreign government. Before the war, Britain might have invaded. Instead, it retaliated against Mossadegh by leading an international embargo of Iran’s oil and by withdrawing its technicians from the nationalized holdings. Without British know-how, the company could barely function; after the withdrawal, Iranian oil production dropped 96 percent. And the oil that was produced couldn’t be sold.

Oil money funded the Iranian government; without it, Mossadegh’s reforms were worthless, and his popularity plunged. Mossadegh called a parliamentary election in late 1951.
When he realized he was going to lose, he had the election suspended. (That should put to bed the notion that he was an idealistic democrat.)


Nonetheless, Shah Pahlavi allowed Mossadegh to form a new government, and in the summer of ’52, Mossadegh demanded authority to appoint a new minister of war and a new chief of staff, which would give him control of Iran’s military — thitherto under the authority of (and loyal to) the Shah. The Shah refused; Mossadegh resigned, and began to organize anti-Shah demonstrations. Iran was thrown into chaos, and, fearing collapse of the country, the Shah acquiesced, re-appointed Mossadegh, and gave him full control over the military. (Quite the fascist was Shah Reza Pahlavi.)

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The U.S. had helped turn Persian public opinion against Mossadegh. However: There was no coup. In 1953, Mossadegh was prime minister of Iran; like many heads of state, the Shah had the legal, constitutional authority to remove his prime minister, which he did, at the behest of his ally the United States. Mossadegh, though, refused to be removed, and he arrested the officers who tried to deliver the Shah’s notice of dismissal. The Shah was forced to flee the country. At that point, it looked at if the U.S.’s anti-Mossadegh efforts had failed: The Shah was gone, and Mossadegh remained in power. After the Shah fled, says Takeyh, “the initiative passed to the Iranians.” The man who the Americans, the British, and the Shah had agreed should replace Mossadegh was General Fazlollah Zahedi; Zahedi was a powerful man, and well-liked by much of the political establishment, the religious establishment, and the army. With the Shah gone, and the Americans more or less resigned to failure, Zahedi took over the anti-Mossadegh campaign himself, spreading word throughout the country that the Shah — who remained popular — had fired Mossadegh and appointed Zahedi in his place. Says Takeyh: “Pro-shah protesters took to the streets. It is true that the CIA paid a number of toughs from the bazaar and athletic centers to agitate against the government, but the CIA-financed mobs rarely exceeded a few hundred people in a country now rocked by demonstrators numbering in the thousands . . . in the end, the CIA-organized demonstrations were overtaken by a spontaneous cascade of pro-shah protesters.”Read more at: Iran The Shah Mossadegh and the CIA National Review Online

There are serious men who are under the impression that the CIA led a coup to replace an upstanding, democratic reformer named Mohammed Mossadegh with a fascist Shah named Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, and that Pahlavi’s crimes were so atrocious that Iran was driven into the arms of the mullahs. None of that is true.

It is true and the serious men who believe it are also those that orchestrated it.
CIA Confirms Role in 1953 Iran Coup
All your little NR piece does is try to rationalize it, but the author leaves out many details in his effort to prove his point.
One thing is for sure though, you can't rationalize away the fact that the US government worked clandestinely to subvert the political processes that were inherently the right of Iranians to determine. The Iranians have every right to be distrustful of the USA.

 

[American Devil]

Iran will never trust America as it was before 1979. I doubt that any self-government country in the Middle East will respect and trust the USA after the decades of such an aggressive and bloody policy in the region. They are burning our national flags - they don't trust us.

 

[2aguy]

Iran will never trust America as it was before 1979. I doubt that any self-government country in the Middle East will respect and trust the USA after the decades of such an aggressive and bloody policy in the region. They are burning our national flags - they don't trust us.

Yes.....we should be very concerned that Iran and the other head choppers don't trust us....why....they might keep chopping peoples heads off, murdering gays, and planning the deaths of innocent people...I can see why you lefties trust Iran....they support many of your policies....

 

[irosie91]

any attempt to aid this or that political entity or force in any country by anyone must be considered OVERT AGGRESSION -------according to our islamo Nazi friends. Well---not really------just any non islamo Nazi "help" or "influence"---is guilty

 

[American Devil]

Iran will never trust America as it was before 1979. I doubt that any self-government country in the Middle East will respect and trust the USA after the decades of such an aggressive and bloody policy in the region. They are burning our national flags - they don't trust us.

Yes.....we should be very concerned that Iran and the other head choppers don't trust us....why....they might keep chopping peoples heads off, murdering gays, and planning the deaths of innocent people...I can see why you lefties trust Iran....they support many of your policies....

I call the whole country full of head choppers. It's quite strange. Look around: how many murders and injustice do you see in America?
They also call us invaders and baby-killers - what's then? We trust Iran because we are ready to make peace in the region. We are ready to clear your mistakes.

 

[Liminal]

Given the facts that the United States of America instigated, sponsored, and enabled a military coup which overthrew the democratically elected legal government of Iran, and then supported a tyrannical dictatorship for decades.......why should Iran trust America? Why should Iran give up the right to defend itself from an historic oppressor?

The Iranian people are ruled by Tyrants right now. Did you forget not so long ago they tried to overthrow it? that little rebellion by young college age kids who got stomped on. well Im sure the Iranian government would thank you for your
sympathy for them. Reminds me of an old rolling stones song.

Why do you sympathize with the illegal overthrow of the democratically elected legal government in 1953?

 

[cnm]

any attempt to aid this or that political entity or force in any country by anyone must be considered OVERT AGGRESSION -------according to our islamo Nazi friends. Well---not really------just any non islamo Nazi "help" or "influence"---is guilty

Well if you don't mind when Putin, for example, aids this or that political entity or force in your country you may have a point.

 

[irosie91]

Yes -----I have a point------Putin could v

any attempt to aid this or that political entity or force in any country by anyone must be considered OVERT AGGRESSION -------according to our islamo Nazi friends. Well---not really------just any non islamo Nazi "help" or "influence"---is guilty

Well if you don't mind when Putin, for example, aids this or that political entity or force in your country you may have a point.

yes----I have a point-----Putin is not in much of a position to aid this
or that position in the USA-----but he CERTAINLY does aid this or
that position in many many other countries-------want to call it
RUSSIAN AGGRESSION? Your answer is shallow----you
are very aware of SUPPORT for this or that group by many nations
capable of doing so ------including AGGRESSION AGAINST THE USA---
by oil soaked AGGRESSIVE JIHADIST PIGS ----over the past ---
more than 50 years -------there is ISLAMIC OIL SOAKED aggression
going on right now in South America -------try to get out more and talk
to people

 

[cnm]

So I take it you won't mind if Putin, for example, aids this or that political entity or force in your country?

 

[Teddy Pollins]

I have a better question. Why should Americans trust America? Who deceive us more than our own Government?
Iran is just a recent victim or goal which will escape as soon as possible. But we will stay to live here forever.

 

[Yarddog]

Given the facts that the United States of America instigated, sponsored, and enabled a military coup which overthrew the democratically elected legal government of Iran, and then supported a tyrannical dictatorship for decades.......why should Iran trust America? Why should Iran give up the right to defend itself from an historic oppressor?

The Iranian people are ruled by Tyrants right now. Did you forget not so long ago they tried to overthrow it? that little rebellion by young college age kids who got stomped on. well Im sure the Iranian government would thank you for your
sympathy for them. Reminds me of an old rolling stones song.

Why do you sympathize with the illegal overthrow of the democratically elected legal government in 1953?

Because the government from 1952 does not pose a nuclear threat in the middle east

 

[Yarddog]

I have a better question. Why should Americans trust America? Who deceive us more than our own Government?
Iran is just a recent victim or goal which will escape as soon as possible. But we will stay to live here forever.

Hey you can leave now, I bet there is some poor Somali family that would love to live in your house after you vacate.. America is still a good place despite our government.
I dont think Iran is a victim anymore. That time has passed and they have had the freedom to be part of the world community but for their own choices.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Given the facts that the United States of America instigated, sponsored, and enabled a military coup which overthrew the democratically elected legal government of Iran, and then supported a tyrannical dictatorship for decades.......why should Iran trust America? Why should Iran give up the right to defend itself from an historic oppressor?

You guys are the ones who thought hitler was a good guy too....until 1939 happened....then, like Chamberlain, you would be sitting there with a stupid look on your faces.......

Do you even think before you type? Why don't you try this...try saying the sentence out loud, then type it out.