Why Palestinians don't just leave Gaza?? Difficul to do!

[Obiwan]

Hossfly

And what's so bad about the situation is that the Palestinian heroes they are trying to free are all convicted terrorists.

 

[Hossfly]

Hossfly

And what's so bad about the situation is that the Palestinian heroes they are trying to free are all convicted terrorists.

Plus the Israelis will trade 500 heroes for one IDF soldier.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Billo

From your posts, it's evident Israel is taking out a lot of rockets. They are also finding quite a few terrorist tunnels.

Maybe Obama could learn a few things about fighting the "JV Team" from them....

The rockets are in response to the occupation. End the occupation and you end the rocket attacks.

As for the tunnels, they're mostly used to bring in goods and services to Gaza, because of the illegal and immoral blockade.

Gee, talk about a bald-faced lie...

Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In the Gaza Strip, the governing authorityHamas developed a sophisticated network of military tunnels. The internal tunnels, running some dozens of kilometres within the Gaza Strip,[1] have several functions. Hamas uses the tunnels to hide its arsenal of rocketry underground, to facilitate communication, to permit munition stocks to be hidden and to conceal militants, making detection from the air difficult.[2] By means of these tunnels, rockets could be launched by remote control.[1] One IDF expert said the low-tech network was effective in enabling Hamas "to move, conceal, surprise and disappear."[1]Additional, cross-border tunnels penetrated into Israel for the purpose of making cross-border raids with goals that include mass-casualty attacks and hostage-taking.[3][4][5][6][7]

The tunnel system branches beneath many Gazan towns and cities, such as Khan Yunis and Jabalia and the Shati refugee camp.[8] Destroying the tunnels was a primary objective of Israeli forces in the2014 Israel–Gaza conflict.[9] The number of tunnels going into Israel has been reported between 9[10] and 31.[11]

According to Eado Hecht, an Israeli defence analyst specialising in underground warfare, "Three different kinds of tunnels existed beneath Gaza, smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt; defensive tunnels inside Gaza, used for command centres and weapons storage; and –connected to the defensive tunnels –offensive tunnels used for cross-border attacks on Israel", including the capture of Israeli soldiers.[12][13] Ihab al-Ghussein, spokesman for the Hamas-run interior ministry, describes the tunnels as an exercise of Gaza's "right to protect itself."[14] According to the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the tunnels have been constructed by the military wing of Hamas under the Israel-Gaza border for the purpose of "terrorist attacks" on Israel.[15]The Israeli government refers to cross-border tunnels as "attack tunnels" or "terror tunnels."[15][6] The cross-border tunnels were used in the capture of Gilad Shalit in 2006, and multiple times during the 2014 conflict; in practice only Israeli military targets have successfully been attacked through them.[10][16] However, Israel reportedly stopped an attempt to raid a kibbutz during the war, and uncovered evidence that the tunnels were being prepared for massive attacks against Israeli civilians.[17][18]

...in practice only Israeli military targets have successfully been attacked through them.​

Indeed, and they were a good defensive infrastructure.

They kicked Israeli ass.

 

[member]

Although most right wingers cannot stomach the Huffington Post....This article addresses a depressing truth for average Palestinians caught in the crossfire.

Why Don t Palestinians Just Leave Gaza They Can t.

As airstrikes have rained down on Gaza in recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been forced to flee their homes. Some received leaflets and phone calls from the Israeli army, urging them to evacuate ahead of fighting. Others simply feared that the airstrikes, tank shells and cross-fire might take their lives and those of their loved ones.

Yet for many Gaza residents, there are few secure places left to seek shelter. In fact, many don't have the slightest chance of exiting the enclave.

Here's why:

OVER LAND

The only legal ways in and out of Gaza are through its official border crossings with Israel and Egypt. Gaza has little control over those crossings, and both of its neighbors have severely restricted the movement of people and goods across the borders because of security concerns.

". . .depressing truth for average Palestinians caught in the crossfire."

Those average palestinians --- aren't they responsible for voting for thug terrorists to be their Government ?





what kind of government covers their faces like ALL terrorists do.





the younger terrorists. the brainwash-cycle continues -- the future gov't of the palestinians.

 

[Hossfly]

Billo

From your posts, it's evident Israel is taking out a lot of rockets. They are also finding quite a few terrorist tunnels.

Maybe Obama could learn a few things about fighting the "JV Team" from them....

The rockets are in response to the occupation. End the occupation and you end the rocket attacks.

As for the tunnels, they're mostly used to bring in goods and services to Gaza, because of the illegal and immoral blockade.

Gee, talk about a bald-faced lie...

Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In the Gaza Strip, the governing authorityHamas developed a sophisticated network of military tunnels. The internal tunnels, running some dozens of kilometres within the Gaza Strip,[1] have several functions. Hamas uses the tunnels to hide its arsenal of rocketry underground, to facilitate communication, to permit munition stocks to be hidden and to conceal militants, making detection from the air difficult.[2] By means of these tunnels, rockets could be launched by remote control.[1] One IDF expert said the low-tech network was effective in enabling Hamas "to move, conceal, surprise and disappear."[1]Additional, cross-border tunnels penetrated into Israel for the purpose of making cross-border raids with goals that include mass-casualty attacks and hostage-taking.[3][4][5][6][7]

The tunnel system branches beneath many Gazan towns and cities, such as Khan Yunis and Jabalia and the Shati refugee camp.[8] Destroying the tunnels was a primary objective of Israeli forces in the2014 Israel–Gaza conflict.[9] The number of tunnels going into Israel has been reported between 9[10] and 31.[11]

According to Eado Hecht, an Israeli defence analyst specialising in underground warfare, "Three different kinds of tunnels existed beneath Gaza, smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt; defensive tunnels inside Gaza, used for command centres and weapons storage; and –connected to the defensive tunnels –offensive tunnels used for cross-border attacks on Israel", including the capture of Israeli soldiers.[12][13] Ihab al-Ghussein, spokesman for the Hamas-run interior ministry, describes the tunnels as an exercise of Gaza's "right to protect itself."[14] According to the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the tunnels have been constructed by the military wing of Hamas under the Israel-Gaza border for the purpose of "terrorist attacks" on Israel.[15]The Israeli government refers to cross-border tunnels as "attack tunnels" or "terror tunnels."[15][6] The cross-border tunnels were used in the capture of Gilad Shalit in 2006, and multiple times during the 2014 conflict; in practice only Israeli military targets have successfully been attacked through them.[10][16] However, Israel reportedly stopped an attempt to raid a kibbutz during the war, and uncovered evidence that the tunnels were being prepared for massive attacks against Israeli civilians.[17][18]

...in practice only Israeli military targets have successfully been attacked through them.​

Indeed, and they were a good defensive infrastructure.

They kicked Israeli ass.

Not any more, Tinmore. When the little chipmunks start digging in the future, an underground "Iron Dome" will scatter their nuts.

Israel is developing a system that would detect tunneling at a distance, as a way to deter any terrorist attacks.



The system is being developed by a defense electronics company in conjunction with the Israeli Defense Ministry and is based on a series of sensors to detect any movement.



Israeli officials stepped up development of the system after last summer’s 50-day conflict with Hamas. Israeli authorities found 32 “attack tunnels” built by Hamas, with one even getting right under the border. In that instance, Hamas fighters were able to emerge from the tunnels inside Israel and ambush troops, with some succeeding in escaping back to Gaza.

The new system is being praised as the underground equivalent of the Iron Dome, the Israeli system that interdicts nearly 90 percent of rockets fired into populated areas.



Read more: Israel Developing Underground Iron Dome to Combat Palestinian Tunnels Sputnik International

 

[P F Tinmore]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

You have that backwards Israel is the occupying power. By default that is the aggressive position.

 

[toastman]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

You have that backwards Israel is the occupying power. By default that is the aggressive position.

Except they captured the West Bank from Jordan after Jordan attacked them in 1967

 

[P F Tinmore]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

You have that backwards Israel is the occupying power. By default that is the aggressive position.

Except they captured the West Bank from Jordan after Jordan attacked them in 1967

Interesting.

Then how did it become "occupied Palestinian territory?"

 

[toastman]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

You have that backwards Israel is the occupying power. By default that is the aggressive position.

Except they captured the West Bank from Jordan after Jordan attacked them in 1967

Interesting.

Then how did it become "occupied Palestinian territory?"

Surprised you don't know this Tinmore !

Jordan renounced all claims to the West Bank following the war

 

[P F Tinmore]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

You have that backwards Israel is the occupying power. By default that is the aggressive position.

Except they captured the West Bank from Jordan after Jordan attacked them in 1967

Interesting.

Then how did it become "occupied Palestinian territory?"

Surprised you don't know this Tinmore !

Jordan renounced all claims to the West Bank following the war

OK, but that doesn't answer the question.

 

[Obiwan]

Tinmore

Israel owns the West Bank. The Palestinians are there because they went there to get out of the way before Jordan attacked Israel and they never left. Jordan wouldn't take them in after the war.

 

[Billo_Really]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

An occupying force, cannot claim self defense.

 

[Billo_Really]

Tinmore

Israel owns the West Bank. The Palestinians are there because they went there to get out of the way before Jordan attacked Israel and they never left. Jordan wouldn't take them in after the war.

Wrong! They were living there for generations, before asshole Zionists showed up with their racist, apartheid policies.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hossfly

And what's so bad about the situation is that the Palestinian heroes they are trying to free are all convicted terrorists.

And just where's your proof of that?

 

[Billo_Really]

Except they captured the West Bank from Jordan after Jordan attacked them in 1967

So in your eyes, it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland?

 

[Obiwan]

Hossfly

And what's so bad about the situation is that the Palestinian heroes they are trying to free are all convicted terrorists.

And just where's your proof of that?

Why do you think they're in prison? Jaywalking?

 

[Billo_Really]

Except that Hamas keeps firing those rockets at innocent civilians in Israel.

If they would quit doing that, I would just bet the airstrikes to take those rockets out would stop.

They did in 2008, Israel still attacked.

 

[Billo_Really]

Why do you think they're in prison? Jaywalking?

Thanks for admitting Gaza is the largest open air prison in the world.

 

[Obiwan]

Except they captured the West Bank from Jordan after Jordan attacked them in 1967

So in your eyes, it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland?

Poland was a sovereign country. The West Bank wasn't.

Besides, it's been done before. How do you think we got the Land of Fruits and Nuts?

 

[toastman]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

You have that backwards Israel is the occupying power. By default that is the aggressive position.

Except they captured the West Bank from Jordan after Jordan attacked them in 1967

Interesting.

Then how did it become "occupied Palestinian territory?"

Surprised you don't know this Tinmore !

Jordan renounced all claims to the West Bank following the war

OK, but that doesn't answer the question.

Sure it does. After the 1948 war, Jordan occupied the West Bank. Then following the 6 day Jordan renounced all claims to the West Bank after Israel captured it.
What don't you understand ?