Why Palestinians don't just leave Gaza?? Difficul to do!

[toastman]

The Palestinians want the terrorists in Israeli prisons released. The Palestinians in Gaza are free to leave any time they want.

You're so full of shit, they can't even fish without getting shot at.

You're so brainwashed Billo, that you believe every story the Palestinians put out there. They are a bunch of liars and you fall for their propaganda. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Kondor3]

...Like any people that were colonized by Europeans, they want their land and homes back. Is that a strange desire?...

They were a rag-tag collection of scattered nomadic tribesmen and marginal townsfolk who had the misfortune to be standing in the way of history, and their intransigence and stupidity in refusing to negotiate a peace involving the sharing of the land, after they were decisively beaten, is the direct cause of their present decrepit state and prospects.

It doesn't matter if the reaction is strange or understandable. What matters is their level of collective intelligence and pragmatism, or a grotesque lack thereof.

...The Palestinians were attacked and ethnically cleansed by better armed and equipped European colonists. That is not unusual...

The Muslim-Arabs drew first blood, and chose to stupidly shoot their wad against the British and the Jews in the 1930s, thereby wasting their armaments and blood before the decisive time (1948-1949) unfolded, and were thereby half-disarmed and fully-disheartened when The Decisive Moment finally arrived. Early and characteristic stupidity.

The Jews of the 1930s and 1940s were also prohibited from acquiring and owning firearms, but, unlike their foolish Muslim-Arab Palestinian counterparts, they got off their asses, and made the necessary connections, and purchased and begged and borrowed and stole arms, until, eventually, they were in a better war-ready position than the Muslims.

This was the result of intelligence and courage and organization skills and vision, as opposed to stupidity and timidity and laziness and lack of foresight.

Nature favors the intelligent and bold, and de-selects the foolish and timid.

...They may be laughable to you, but they are human beings and the only reason they have been treated in the way they have is because they are Christian and Muslim rather than Jewish.

Stop trying to position the Christians alongside the Muslims in this regard, as a cheap trick to glean a little sympathy here and there amongst an audience largely comprised of either Christians or those descended from Christians and dwelling with a historical Christian cultural context. Your divide-and-conquer tactics aren't working, except, perhaps, amongst ultra-Lefists and other simple-minded, emotional, gullible and naive non-thinkers.

The Jews of Israel need the support of the United States and they want the support of the European Union and even Russia over the long haul, so, even if they were inclined to persecute Christians or to interfere with Christians to any appreciable and substantive extent, they would not, because that would piss off Americans and Euros and Russians.

The Jews of Israel are pushing-out those so-called Palestinians who chose to continue resisting them rather than accepting them. They are (and always have been) fine with those who remained in-place and chose to live as Israeli citizens rather than Beyond the Pale.

Those fools (the Muslim-Arab Palestinians who ran like jackrabbits in 1948) had PLENTY of chances to come to terms. Their best chance was to do so prior to the 1967 Six Day War, when the terms they could have obtained would have been the most favorable, but they could have done so at any time, up to and including, quite possibly, Intifada II - at which point, the Window of Opportunity for negotiation had largely closed and at which point the Reconquista probably began in earnest.

When your negotiating partner manifests the savagery and un-trustworthiness and intransigence and outright stupidity that the so-called Palestinians have, time and again and again and again and again and again... at some point, the sane side (the Israelis) are going to throw up their hands and say: "**** it. We tried. We're done. No more talk."

Which is pretty much what has happened.

The so-called Palestinians have nobody to blame for this stupidity but themselves.

Themselves.

Nature has de-selected them.

It's over.

It's time for the Palestinians to leave.

Time for the UN to step in, and to relocate the Palestinians, to country(ies) willing to take them in.

A few hundred thousand here, a few hundred thousand there - break 'em up - scatter 'em - let their poison and insanity be neutralized and sink into the sand and be relegated to the history books.

If the whole world is so concerned over these fools, let the whole world chip-in on the relocation costs, and in supporting them for a while, until they can get on their feet again.

The Jews stay.

The State of Israel stays.

They win.

Why?

Because they have the muscle and courage to enforce their will.

After some close calls, including one close one for the Jews within Living Memory...

Nature has selected them for survival, after all.

Believe it.

 

[Kondor3]

Horseshit.

They want the destruction of Israel and the death of its Jews.

Just as they declared and swore in 1948, and every year since.

Too bad they ran like rabbits in 1948, despite all their big talk.

Too bad they're an impotent nest of Islamist wankers, who are more laughable than dangerous.

"Will the last Palestinian to leave Gaza please turn out the lights?"

And you're all about that big talk, aren't ya, Kondi?

Like it?

Cool.

And, the beauty of it is, it is now the dominant mindset at work on the subject, both here and there.

You're pissing into the wind, boy.

And, in the end, all you're gonna have left, is cold, wet, stinky pants-cuffs.

You're a joke... a bad one, mind you, but... a joke.

A poster-boy for Planned Parenthood.

If you have something to add to the conversation, then add it.

Otherwise, take it to the Flame Zone, Abdul.

 

[Obiwan]

Kondor3

Good post, but you overlooked one thing.

Nobody wants the Palestinians. Not even Jordan or Egypt. The Idiot Palestinians are just too much trouble. That's why they are stuck in the West Bank and Gaza.

Of course, sticking them on a deserted island somewhere could be an option.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Interesting.

Then how did it become "occupied Palestinian territory?"

Surprised you don't know this Tinmore !

Jordan renounced all claims to the West Bank following the war

OK, but that doesn't answer the question.

Sure it does. After the 1948 war, Jordan occupied the West Bank. Then following the 6 day Jordan renounced all claims to the West Bank after Israel captured it.
What don't you understand ?

How you can say what you just said with a straight face?

What did I say that was wrong ?
Everything I said is 100% true....How on earth did you not know this ??

Let me get your scenario straight.

Jordan won the West Bank from Palestine.
Jordan annexed the land.
Israel won the land from Jordan.
Jordan relinquished the land.
Now it is occupied Palestinian territory.

Did I get that right?

 

[Kondor3]

Kondor3

Good post, but you overlooked one thing.

Nobody wants the Palestinians. Not even Jordan or Egypt. The Idiot Palestinians are just too much trouble. That's why they are stuck in the West Bank and Gaza.

True.

Then again, pick-out a stretch of sand that nobody else wants, throw enough money at the host-nation, lay-in new infrastructure to support the refugee-community, guaranty their behavior and maintenance for a few decades, twist a couple of arms, and it can probably be done, far easier than it appears at first glance.

It has the virtue of never having been tried, in that setting - chances are, if the UN sweetens the deal sufficiently, several host-nations can be cajoled into accepting a share.

 

[montelatici]

...Like any people that were colonized by Europeans, they want their land and homes back. Is that a strange desire?...

They were a rag-tag collection of scattered nomadic tribesmen and marginal townsfolk who had the misfortune to be standing in the way of history, and their intransigence and stupidity in refusing to negotiate a peace involving the sharing of the land, after they were decisively beaten, is the direct cause of their present decrepit state and prospects.

It doesn't matter if the reaction is strange or understandable. What matters is their level of collective intelligence and pragmatism, or a grotesque lack thereof.

...The Palestinians were attacked and ethnically cleansed by better armed and equipped European colonists. That is not unusual...

The Muslim-Arabs drew first blood, and chose to stupidly shoot their wad against the British and the Jews in the 1930s, thereby wasting their armaments and blood before the decisive time (1948-1949) unfolded, and were thereby half-disarmed and fully-disheartened when The Decisive Moment finally arrived. Early and characteristic stupidity.

The Jews of the 1930s and 1940s were also prohibited from acquiring and owning firearms, but, unlike their foolish Muslim-Arab Palestinian counterparts, they got off their asses, and made the necessary connections, and purchased and begged and borrowed and stole arms, until, eventually, they were in a better war-ready position than the Muslims.

This was the result of intelligence and courage and organization skills and vision, as opposed to stupidity and timidity and laziness and lack of foresight.

Nature favors the intelligent and bold, and de-selects the foolish and timid.

...They may be laughable to you, but they are human beings and the only reason they have been treated in the way they have is because they are Christian and Muslim rather than Jewish.

Stop trying to position the Christians alongside the Muslims in this regard, as a cheap trick to glean a little sympathy here and there amongst an audience largely comprised of either Christians or those descended from Christians and dwelling with a historical Christian cultural context. Your divide-and-conquer tactics aren't working, except, perhaps, amongst ultra-Lefists and other simple-minded, emotional, gullible and naive non-thinkers.

The Jews of Israel need the support of the United States and they want the support of the European Union and even Russia over the long haul, so, even if they were inclined to persecute Christians or to interfere with Christians to any appreciable and substantive extent, they would not, because that would piss off Americans and Euros and Russians.

The Jews of Israel are pushing-out those so-called Palestinians who chose to continue resisting them rather than accepting them. They are (and always have been) fine with those who remained in-place and chose to live as Israeli citizens rather than Beyond the Pale.

Those fools (the Muslim-Arab Palestinians who ran like jackrabbits in 1948) had PLENTY of chances to come to terms. Their best chance was to do so prior to the 1967 Six Day War, when the terms they could have obtained would have been the most favorable, but they could have done so at any time, up to and including, quite possibly, Intifada II - at which point, the Window of Opportunity for negotiation had largely closed and at which point the Reconquista probably began in earnest.

When your negotiating partner manifests the savagery and un-trustworthiness and intransigence and outright stupidity that the so-called Palestinians have, time and again and again and again and again and again... at some point, the sane side (the Israelis) are going to throw up their hands and say: "**** it. We tried. We're done. No more talk."

Which is pretty much what has happened.

The so-called Palestinians have nobody to blame for this stupidity but themselves.

Themselves.

Nature has de-selected them.

It's over.

It's time for the Palestinians to leave.

Time for the UN to step in, and to relocate the Palestinians, to country(ies) willing to take them in.

A few hundred thousand here, a few hundred thousand there - break 'em up - scatter 'em - let their poison and insanity be neutralized and sink into the sand and be relegated to the history books.

If the whole world is so concerned over these fools, let the whole world chip-in on the relocation costs, and in supporting them for a while, until they can get on their feet again.

The Jews stay.

The State of Israel stays.

They win.

Why?

Because they have the muscle and courage to enforce their will.

After some close calls, including one close one for the Jews within Living Memory...

Nature has selected them for survival, after all.

Believe it.

Total bullshit. Israel will end up like Rhodesia, Algeria or South Africa. The behavior of the Jews well determine which of the alternative scenarios will apply to Israel.

 

[Kondor3]

...Total bullshit. Israel will end up like Rhodesia, Algeria or South Africa. The behavior of the Jews well determine which of the alternative scenarios will apply to Israel.

Yes, yes, yes... very nice, I'm sure... thank you for your feedback.

 

[montelatici]

Well, the scripted Zionist propaganda (devoid of any fact) you post does not require or deserve feedback. Setting you straight on the end state is far more effective.

 

[Kondor3]

Well, the scripted Zionist propaganda (devoid of any fact) you post does not require or deserve feedback. Setting you straight on the end state is far more effective.

What you style as 'setting one straight on the end-state' is no more than foolish and naive speculation on what you wish for - not what is going to happen.

You can piss and moan all you want, in trying to draw analogies between Israel and South Africa, but people who understand the dynamics and vast differences reject such drivel out of hand.

Only the naive and gullible - as well as Muslim-Arab ass-kissers and Surrender Monkeys - buy into your South Africa crap.

One need look no further than the Palestinians' own propaganda maps of a shrinking Rump Palestine, to see where this is going.

You would be better off finding a message board where you can peddle your The Jewish Sky is Falling hyperbole to a more receptive audience.

You are neither scaring nor fooling anyone.

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As to 'scripted Zionist propaganda'...

Pure extempore, old boy... pure extempore...

And that from an Irish-German lapsed Catholic boy from Chicago, without a drop of Jewish blood in him, and without any particular dog in this fight.

Next contestant, please...

 

[montelatici]

Well, the scripted Zionist propaganda (devoid of any fact) you post does not require or deserve feedback. Setting you straight on the end state is far more effective.

What you style as 'setting one straight on the end-state' is no more than foolish and naive speculation on what you wish for - not what is going to happen.

You can piss and moan all you want, in trying to draw analogies between Israel and South Africa, but people who understand the dynamics and vast differences reject such drivel out of hand.

Only the naive and gullible - as well as Muslim-Arab ass-kissers and Surrender Monkeys - buy into your South Africa crap.

One need look no further than the Palestinians' own propaganda maps of a shrinking Rump Palestine, to see where this is going.

You would be better off finding a message board where you can peddle your The Jewish Sky is Falling hyperbole to a more receptive audience.

You are neither scaring nor fooling anyone.

===================

As to 'scripted Zionist propaganda'...

Pure extempore, old boy... pure extempore...

And that from an Irish-German lapsed Catholic boy from Chicago, without a drop of Jewish blood in him, and without any particular dog in this fight.

Next contestant, please...

The end state(s), is the end state(s) of every late 19th and 20th century colonial project. From Algeria to Vietnam. The three scenarios presented those for colonies that had a relatively large European colonial population. If you believe that a minority can control and subjugate a growing majority for the long-term, click your heels and you might get to Kansas.

And, I am Italian-American Roman Catholic with no particular dog in the fight.

 

[Billo_Really]

You're so brainwashed Billo, that you believe every story the Palestinians put out there. They are a bunch of liars and you fall for their propaganda. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There articles all over the internet about Palestinian fishermen getting shot at; there are interviews with IDF soldiers talking about how they routinely open fire on Palestinian fishing boats; there are Israeli kiss-asses, such as yourself, who try to defend Israeli's shooting at fishing boats; and finally, there are many, many videos showing Palestinian fishermen getting shot at.

And despite this mountain of evidence, you make this psychotic claim that its all propaganda? That's "out there", dude! You can see them getting shot at and you say they're not getting shot at? You got your head so far up Jew-butt, you only see what they shit out.

 

[Kondor3]

...You got your head so far up Jew-butt, you only see what they shit out.

Brave words, coming from a Muslim-Arab ass-kisser...

Your Palestinians have lost...

Time to pack up and leave...

 

[Billo_Really]

Billo
Don't run off. Let's discuss that taking land by force thing.

See, the UN gave Israel land for their country after WWII. (I assume you have heard of the UN, right?)

So Israel has their own country, which the Palestinians refuse to recognize and regularly attack. They are trying to drive the Israelis out of their own, legally recognized country, and are even refusing to recognize Israel's right to exist !

Now, since you seem to be against taking land by force, maybe you need to start campaigning against what the Palestinians are doing.

The UN did not give land to the Zionists. They said they may have certain parts of Palestine, provided they didn't disenfranchise the inalienable rights to the indigenous, non-Jewish population. But Zionists went and declared Israel a sovereign nation on May 28, against UN wishes.

As far as this "...recognizing Israel's right to exist..." bullshit, states don't have rights, people do.

 

[Billo_Really]

Brave words, coming from a Muslim-Arab ass-kisser...

Your Palestinians have lost...

Time to pack up and leave...

I don't kiss anyone's ass and I'm not going anywhere.

 

[toastman]

You're so brainwashed Billo, that you believe every story the Palestinians put out there. They are a bunch of liars and you fall for their propaganda. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There articles all over the internet about Palestinian fishermen getting shot at; there are interviews with IDF soldiers talking about how they routinely open fire on Palestinian fishing boats; there are Israeli kiss-asses, such as yourself, who try to defend Israeli's shooting at fishing boats; and finally, there are many, many videos showing Palestinian fishermen getting shot at.

And despite this mountain of evidence, you make this psychotic claim that its all propaganda? That's "out there", dude! You can see them getting shot at and you say they're not getting shot at? You got your head so far up Jew-butt, you only see what they shit out.

You have your head so far into Palestinian propaganda and you don't even realize it.
Fisherman and farmers go on with their work every day without getting bothered. What you read in your bullshit articles is 1/1000 of what happens there.

 

[toastman]

Brave words, coming from a Muslim-Arab ass-kisser...

Your Palestinians have lost...

Time to pack up and leave...

I don't kiss anyone's ass and I'm not going anywhere.

Not true, you kissed my ass last night!

 

[Billo_Really]

Oh, Billo

One more thing...

Have you ever heard the phrase land for peace?

That means some people want Israel to trade land for peace with the Palestinians.

Now, since it's illegal to trade something you don't own (kind of like selling your neighbor's car), you have to admit that the phrase is an admission that Israel does own that land.

Just thought you might want to know that for future reference.

Also, learn to post links proving some of your wild claims. I'll quiz you on that next time I see you.

You can't give, what you don't have.

That's not Israel's land to give; it's land they need to get the **** off of.

 

[toastman]

Oh, Billo

One more thing...

Have you ever heard the phrase land for peace?

That means some people want Israel to trade land for peace with the Palestinians.

Now, since it's illegal to trade something you don't own (kind of like selling your neighbor's car), you have to admit that the phrase is an admission that Israel does own that land.

Just thought you might want to know that for future reference.

Also, learn to post links proving some of your wild claims. I'll quiz you on that next time I see you.

You can't give, what you don't have.

That's not Israel's land to give; it's land they need to get the **** off of.

Or else what ?

 

[Billo_Really]

You have your head so far into Palestinian propaganda and you don't even realize it..

Prove its propaganda.

Fisherman and farmers go on with their work every day without getting bothered. What you read in your bullshit articles is 1/1000 of what happens there.

And just how would you know what I read?