Why Palestinians don't just leave Gaza?? Difficul to do!

[Phoenall]

Kondor3

Good post, but you overlooked one thing.

Nobody wants the Palestinians. Not even Jordan or Egypt. The Idiot Palestinians are just too much trouble. That's why they are stuck in the West Bank and Gaza.

Of course, sticking them on a deserted island somewhere could be an option.

Who wanted the Jews after or during WWII, not one country, That is one reason Britain said that some can go to Palestine.

Far removed from reality again as WW2 was not even expected when the talk of a National Home for the Jews in Palestine was first mooted by Britain and other nations. And actually during and after WW2 Britain illegally stopped Jews from migrating and threw thousands into death camps, while allowing illegal arab muslim migration in their thousands.

 

[Phoenall]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

Being a muslim he does not see it that way, the Jews are not allowed to fight back because they are Jews and have no rights under sharia law. So they are the aggressors even when it is the arab muslims murdering Jewish children.

 

[Phoenall]

ANYONE can edit Wikipedia. Also, you've used Wikipedia before. Instead of criticizing the source allllll the time, why don't you try and refute the post..

Toast, please show where I have used Wiki to back any of my claims.

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i could have sworn I have seen you use Wikipedia recently because I remember responding how you always criticize the source but are using it now to back up a claim.
If you didn't use it, nvmdn, my bad

Well, you are swearing for no reason. I never use Wiki to make a point on a partisan issue.

Doesn't matter if you did. Wiki is a credible source and all articles use references that are shown at the bottom.

I am a Wiki editor. I can change anything in a wiki article and it will stay until someone else re edits my edit. I can point you to one of my articles on Wiki if you like. They are technical engineering articles but I can prove my point. Here is one of my entries:

Runway visual range - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So you are SKUBUM are you, who does not have a wiki page.

 

[Kondor3]

Doesn't matter. Conquer by Conquest, has been outlawed since the end of WWII.

The West Bank is not Israeli land and it never will be Israeli land. Catch the ******* clue, after 50 years of occupation, not one country on the enter planet, recognizes Israel's right to that land. Not one!

Gee, guess they need to tell everybody that.

See, occasionally everybody will have talks with Israel about giving the Palestinians statehood. It's kind of hard to explain why the Palestinians don't have a state if it's really their land, and they have an elected government (primarily terrorists), so one of those requirements must be missing. Care to guess which one?

Its even harder to explain why the Zionists and Jews had to move there and be given SOME of it by Britain if it was REALLY their land.

It doesn't matter.

It belongs to the Jews of Israel now.

 

[Phoenall]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

Of course the colonized defend themselves. But, the colonizer is the attacker. It is the colonized that are fighting back.

But you don't see that it was the Jews who were colonised by the arab muslims do you, when Britain allowed thousands of illegal arab muslim to migrate to Jewish lands. So the Jews have just as much right to fight back as their lands were colonised by arab muslims.

 

[Kondor3]

Kondor3

Good post, but you overlooked one thing.

Nobody wants the Palestinians. Not even Jordan or Egypt. The Idiot Palestinians are just too much trouble. That's why they are stuck in the West Bank and Gaza.

Of course, sticking them on a deserted island somewhere could be an option.

Who wanted the Jews after or during WWII, not one country, That is one reason Britain said that some can go to Palestine.

That's right.

And, during the course of those days, the Jews re-discovered their courage, and learned how to fight, and carved-out a home for themselves.

And they fought so well that the Muslims of Old Palestine peed in their pants and ran like rabbits and abandoned their homes rather than stand and fight.

What we call The Great Arab Skeddadle of 1948.

The moral of the story? "He who pees his pants, then runs away, lives to regret it, for many a day."

Nature has de-selected the so-called Palestinians.

Not to mention their laziness and stupidity in hanging-about refugee towns and camps for 66 years.

66 years!

Even most idiot savants would have gotten the hint by now.

Losers.

 

[Phoenall]

ANYONE can edit Wikipedia. Also, you've used Wikipedia before. Instead of criticizing the source allllll the time, why don't you try and refute the post..

Toast, please show where I have used Wiki to back any of my claims.

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i could have sworn I have seen you use Wikipedia recently because I remember responding how you always criticize the source but are using it now to back up a claim.
If you didn't use it, nvmdn, my bad

We all do sometimes to be lazy. You have to know what is factual when you do.
Most it is for those who know nothing want don't want to read books on the subject. It can be a starting point for research and has the supporting documents and sites to help. It is not an end all to knowledge, no encyclopedia should be. It is only a brief overview of a topic. You have to be careful of what has been edited and what supporting sources there are. Be careful of those in need or source and those recently edited but pending verification. Also if you do use wiki, you might want to be aware of who the members are that are doing the editing and what other topics they are doing also. Often there is a pattern.

We can be skeptical at time of wiki. Manly it should not be the only source a person relies on. The same way other encyclopedias can be wrong, so can wiki.

If I use wiki to prove a claim, and someone claims it's not true because I used wiki as a source, I expect them to counter my claim with another source.
We are just posters on a message board.

Wiki is great for facts on non-controversial issues. For something like the I/P issue it is useless.

Specially when you are shown to be using islamomoron propaganda as your wiki source.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What's wrong? Somebody steal your fishing hole?

When you think about it, who the **** shoots at people fishing?

That's a pretty sick and evil thing to do. The fact that you think nothing of it, says a lot you.

I've never heard of Israelis shooting at people fishing. Are you sure you didn't get lost and end up in Kentucky?

fishing boats that enters a restricted zone. When they don't turn and leave after warning the Israels usually just fire at them to scare them unless they pose some threat.

Which is what EVERY nation does to foreign vessels

Palestinian boats in Palestinian territorial waters are foreign vessels?

 

[Phoenall]

Billo

From your posts, it's evident Israel is taking out a lot of rockets. They are also finding quite a few terrorist tunnels.

Maybe Obama could learn a few things about fighting the "JV Team" from them....

The rockets are in response to the occupation. End the occupation and you end the rocket attacks.

As for the tunnels, they're mostly used to bring in goods and services to Gaza, because of the illegal and immoral blockade.

Gee, talk about a bald-faced lie...

Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In the Gaza Strip, the governing authorityHamas developed a sophisticated network of military tunnels. The internal tunnels, running some dozens of kilometres within the Gaza Strip,[1] have several functions. Hamas uses the tunnels to hide its arsenal of rocketry underground, to facilitate communication, to permit munition stocks to be hidden and to conceal militants, making detection from the air difficult.[2] By means of these tunnels, rockets could be launched by remote control.[1] One IDF expert said the low-tech network was effective in enabling Hamas "to move, conceal, surprise and disappear."[1]Additional, cross-border tunnels penetrated into Israel for the purpose of making cross-border raids with goals that include mass-casualty attacks and hostage-taking.[3][4][5][6][7]

The tunnel system branches beneath many Gazan towns and cities, such as Khan Yunis and Jabalia and the Shati refugee camp.[8] Destroying the tunnels was a primary objective of Israeli forces in the2014 Israel–Gaza conflict.[9] The number of tunnels going into Israel has been reported between 9[10] and 31.[11]

According to Eado Hecht, an Israeli defence analyst specialising in underground warfare, "Three different kinds of tunnels existed beneath Gaza, smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt; defensive tunnels inside Gaza, used for command centres and weapons storage; and –connected to the defensive tunnels –offensive tunnels used for cross-border attacks on Israel", including the capture of Israeli soldiers.[12][13] Ihab al-Ghussein, spokesman for the Hamas-run interior ministry, describes the tunnels as an exercise of Gaza's "right to protect itself."[14] According to the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the tunnels have been constructed by the military wing of Hamas under the Israel-Gaza border for the purpose of "terrorist attacks" on Israel.[15]The Israeli government refers to cross-border tunnels as "attack tunnels" or "terror tunnels."[15][6] The cross-border tunnels were used in the capture of Gilad Shalit in 2006, and multiple times during the 2014 conflict; in practice only Israeli military targets have successfully been attacked through them.[10][16] However, Israel reportedly stopped an attempt to raid a kibbutz during the war, and uncovered evidence that the tunnels were being prepared for massive attacks against Israeli civilians.[17][18]

...in practice only Israeli military targets have successfully been attacked through them.​

Indeed, and they were a good defensive infrastructure.

They kicked Israeli ass.

So you are saying that Israeli schools are military targets now, so you wont complain anymore when Israel bomb schools in gaza ?

 

[Phoenall]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

You have that backwards Israel is the occupying power. By default that is the aggressive position.

Since when has gaza been occupied by Israel, according to hamas gaza is not occupied and has not been since 2005.

 

[Phoenall]

Montelatici

Sounds like you have no problem admitting Hamas is attacking Israel. That means Israel has legitimate security concerns and is justified in fighting back, since Hamas is at war with them.

You have that backwards Israel is the occupying power. By default that is the aggressive position.

Except they captured the West Bank from Jordan after Jordan attacked them in 1967

Interesting.

Then how did it become "occupied Palestinian territory?"

Because the arab muslims in the UN forced that term to be used.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Billo

From your posts, it's evident Israel is taking out a lot of rockets. They are also finding quite a few terrorist tunnels.

Maybe Obama could learn a few things about fighting the "JV Team" from them....

The rockets are in response to the occupation. End the occupation and you end the rocket attacks.

As for the tunnels, they're mostly used to bring in goods and services to Gaza, because of the illegal and immoral blockade.

The occupation was ended in 2005 and the rockets increased, so your statement is an outright LIE. And it took 9 months for the goons in gaza to find an excuse for the rockets when a terrorist was blown up by the bomb he was carrying when the IDF shot him.
What goods are brought in from Israel through tunnels with only one opening in gaza. Why are they terminated underneath Israeli schools and packed with Iranian H.E. wired to a detonator in the house in gaza. Come on dildo try and answer this truthfully as the evidence is well reported from last summer.
You know you are losing the argument as soon as you claim the blockade is illegal and immoral, beause if it was the UN would have breached it before now by placing a task force in the shipping lanes and stopping the IDF from leaving Israel waters. 10,000 tones of goods pass into gaza every hour from Israel, and very little is banned. The biggest problem is when hamas want propaganda material so they stop the trucks from offloading by shooting at them.

The occupation was ended in 2005 and the rockets increased, so your statement is an outright LIE.​

You are lying. The occupation did not end in 2005.

 

[Phoenall]

What's wrong? Somebody steal your fishing hole?

When you think about it, who the **** shoots at people fishing?

That's a pretty sick and evil thing to do. The fact that you think nothing of it, says a lot you.

I've never heard of Israelis shooting at people fishing. Are you sure you didn't get lost and end up in Kentucky?

fishing boats that enters a restricted zone. When they don't turn and leave after warning the Israels usually just fire at them to scare them unless they pose some threat.

Which is what EVERY nation does to foreign vessels

Palestinian boats in Palestinian territorial waters are foreign vessels?

Define palestinian waters in terms of the Geneva conventions on military blockades ?

 

[Jroc]

What's wrong? Somebody steal your fishing hole?

When you think about it, who the **** shoots at people fishing?

That's a pretty sick and evil thing to do. The fact that you think nothing of it, says a lot you.

I've never heard of Israelis shooting at people fishing. Are you sure you didn't get lost and end up in Kentucky?

fishing boats that enters a restricted zone. When they don't turn and leave after warning the Israels usually just fire at them to scare them unless they pose some threat.

Which is what EVERY nation does to foreign vessels

Palestinian boats in Palestinian territorial waters are foreign vessels?

Palestinian territorial waters? No such thing. Even if there were to be so called "Palestinian" state they would have no offensive military capability they be demilitarized.

 

[jillian]

Although most right wingers cannot stomach the Huffington Post....This article addresses a depressing truth for average Palestinians caught in the crossfire.

Why Don t Palestinians Just Leave Gaza They Can t.

As airstrikes have rained down on Gaza in recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been forced to flee their homes. Some received leaflets and phone calls from the Israeli army, urging them to evacuate ahead of fighting. Others simply feared that the airstrikes, tank shells and cross-fire might take their lives and those of their loved ones.

Yet for many Gaza residents, there are few secure places left to seek shelter. In fact, many don't have the slightest chance of exiting the enclave.

Here's why:

OVER LAND

The only legal ways in and out of Gaza are through its official border crossings with Israel and Egypt. Gaza has little control over those crossings, and both of its neighbors have severely restricted the movement of people and goods across the borders because of security concerns.

They have trouble crossing the border into Egypt and Israel BECAUSE THEY KEEP BLOWING THINGS UP. and the "missiles that rained down on Gaza" were retaliation for over 1,000 unanswered missile attacks on israel.

btw, the article did not appear in the huffington post. it appeared in The WorldPost, a "partnership" of the Huffington Post.

Half truths seem to suit you. Personally, I have little sympathy for a people who use children as human shields.

 

[Phoenall]

Billo

From your posts, it's evident Israel is taking out a lot of rockets. They are also finding quite a few terrorist tunnels.

Maybe Obama could learn a few things about fighting the "JV Team" from them....

The rockets are in response to the occupation. End the occupation and you end the rocket attacks.

As for the tunnels, they're mostly used to bring in goods and services to Gaza, because of the illegal and immoral blockade.

The occupation was ended in 2005 and the rockets increased, so your statement is an outright LIE. And it took 9 months for the goons in gaza to find an excuse for the rockets when a terrorist was blown up by the bomb he was carrying when the IDF shot him.
What goods are brought in from Israel through tunnels with only one opening in gaza. Why are they terminated underneath Israeli schools and packed with Iranian H.E. wired to a detonator in the house in gaza. Come on dildo try and answer this truthfully as the evidence is well reported from last summer.
You know you are losing the argument as soon as you claim the blockade is illegal and immoral, beause if it was the UN would have breached it before now by placing a task force in the shipping lanes and stopping the IDF from leaving Israel waters. 10,000 tones of goods pass into gaza every hour from Israel, and very little is banned. The biggest problem is when hamas want propaganda material so they stop the trucks from offloading by shooting at them.

The occupation was ended in 2005 and the rockets increased, so your statement is an outright LIE.​

You are lying. The occupation did not end in 2005.

Who should I believe a hamas leader or you ?

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“Against whom could we demonstrate in the Gaza Strip? When Gaza was occupied, that model was applicable,” Zahar said.

Want to dispute one of the founders of hamas ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Billo

From your posts, it's evident Israel is taking out a lot of rockets. They are also finding quite a few terrorist tunnels.

Maybe Obama could learn a few things about fighting the "JV Team" from them....

The rockets are in response to the occupation. End the occupation and you end the rocket attacks.

As for the tunnels, they're mostly used to bring in goods and services to Gaza, because of the illegal and immoral blockade.

Gee, talk about a bald-faced lie...

Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In the Gaza Strip, the governing authorityHamas developed a sophisticated network of military tunnels. The internal tunnels, running some dozens of kilometres within the Gaza Strip,[1] have several functions. Hamas uses the tunnels to hide its arsenal of rocketry underground, to facilitate communication, to permit munition stocks to be hidden and to conceal militants, making detection from the air difficult.[2] By means of these tunnels, rockets could be launched by remote control.[1] One IDF expert said the low-tech network was effective in enabling Hamas "to move, conceal, surprise and disappear."[1]Additional, cross-border tunnels penetrated into Israel for the purpose of making cross-border raids with goals that include mass-casualty attacks and hostage-taking.[3][4][5][6][7]

The tunnel system branches beneath many Gazan towns and cities, such as Khan Yunis and Jabalia and the Shati refugee camp.[8] Destroying the tunnels was a primary objective of Israeli forces in the2014 Israel–Gaza conflict.[9] The number of tunnels going into Israel has been reported between 9[10] and 31.[11]

According to Eado Hecht, an Israeli defence analyst specialising in underground warfare, "Three different kinds of tunnels existed beneath Gaza, smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt; defensive tunnels inside Gaza, used for command centres and weapons storage; and –connected to the defensive tunnels –offensive tunnels used for cross-border attacks on Israel", including the capture of Israeli soldiers.[12][13] Ihab al-Ghussein, spokesman for the Hamas-run interior ministry, describes the tunnels as an exercise of Gaza's "right to protect itself."[14] According to the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the tunnels have been constructed by the military wing of Hamas under the Israel-Gaza border for the purpose of "terrorist attacks" on Israel.[15]The Israeli government refers to cross-border tunnels as "attack tunnels" or "terror tunnels."[15][6] The cross-border tunnels were used in the capture of Gilad Shalit in 2006, and multiple times during the 2014 conflict; in practice only Israeli military targets have successfully been attacked through them.[10][16] However, Israel reportedly stopped an attempt to raid a kibbutz during the war, and uncovered evidence that the tunnels were being prepared for massive attacks against Israeli civilians.[17][18]

...in practice only Israeli military targets have successfully been attacked through them.​

Indeed, and they were a good defensive infrastructure.

They kicked Israeli ass.

So you are saying that Israeli schools are military targets now, so you wont complain anymore when Israel bomb schools in gaza ?

All of the attacks were against the military.

None were against schools.

 

[The Rabbi]

Kondor3

Good post, but you overlooked one thing.

Nobody wants the Palestinians. Not even Jordan or Egypt. The Idiot Palestinians are just too much trouble. That's why they are stuck in the West Bank and Gaza.

Of course, sticking them on a deserted island somewhere could be an option.

Who wanted the Jews after or during WWII, not one country, That is one reason Britain said that some can go to Palestine.

Thats why there was a wave of Jewish immigration to the United States, Canada, Australia, and South America.Right?
You are simply stupid enough to be an anti semite.

 

[pbel]

Although most right wingers cannot stomach the Huffington Post....This article addresses a depressing truth for average Palestinians caught in the crossfire.

Why Don t Palestinians Just Leave Gaza They Can t.

As airstrikes have rained down on Gaza in recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been forced to flee their homes. Some received leaflets and phone calls from the Israeli army, urging them to evacuate ahead of fighting. Others simply feared that the airstrikes, tank shells and cross-fire might take their lives and those of their loved ones.

Yet for many Gaza residents, there are few secure places left to seek shelter. In fact, many don't have the slightest chance of exiting the enclave.

Here's why:

OVER LAND

The only legal ways in and out of Gaza are through its official border crossings with Israel and Egypt. Gaza has little control over those crossings, and both of its neighbors have severely restricted the movement of people and goods across the borders because of security concerns.

Another reason they don't leave Gaza is that they are the original souls chased out of their homes in fear in the original expulsions by the Zionists in 1948....

They have nowhere to go!

 

[Penelope]

Kondor3

Good post, but you overlooked one thing.

Nobody wants the Palestinians. Not even Jordan or Egypt. The Idiot Palestinians are just too much trouble. That's why they are stuck in the West Bank and Gaza.

Of course, sticking them on a deserted island somewhere could be an option.

Who wanted the Jews after or during WWII, not one country, That is one reason Britain said that some can go to Palestine.

Thats why there was a wave of Jewish immigration to the United States, Canada, Australia, and South America.Right?
You are simply stupid enough to be an anti semite.

Not that they were wanted, there were limits set. Get real. they wereall against letting too many Jews in, because they knew the problems they would cause and sure enough, look at it.

Now answer my question, If Palestine meant so much to the Hebrews why did not stay and fight??????????????????????

Because most of them loved the city life, Alexandria and Babylon, then the rest of the world. One must live among others to get what they got.