Why Islam is bad! v2

[logical4u]

It's a 2000 plus year-old thing. The Jews, the Christians and the Muslims are still fighting over control of the Holy Land. The new wrinkles added to this thousand year old insanity are the unlikely alliance of the Jews and the Christians against the Muslims, who happen to control the majority of the oil in the world.

Please, show us a comprable list for Jews and Christians, today, in this era.

 

[JStone]

It's a 2000 plus year-old thing. The Jews, the Christians and the Muslims are still fighting over control of the Holy Land. The new wrinkles added to this thousand year old insanity are the unlikely alliance of the Jews and the Christians against the Muslims, who happen to control the majority of the oil in the world.

Jews and Christians live in peace in Israel, the acknowledged birthplace of their religions. Both are targeted by the Muhammadan for persecution

Islam has no legitimate claim to the Holy Land. Even the Meccans laughed at Mahomet's ridiculous Night Journey fairy tale to Jerusalem aboard the winged donkey al Buraq with the woman's head and the peacock's tale. This is why Muslims show their asses to Jerusalem when facing Mecca in prayer to their pagan moon god allah

 

[nitroz]

Muslim KFC Worker goes nuts when asked for Bacon! - YouTube

 

[nitroz]

Blackburn killers

Egyptian Sheikh issues fatwa prohibiting votes for Christian, secular candidates - Bikya Masr : Bikya Masr

Obama's War: Post-Qaddafi Libyan Retribution *GRAPHIC* - Atlas Shrugs

Bosnia court orders detention for U.S. Embassy attacker | Reuters

Senior Shia Cleric: Islamophobia and Shiaphobia is to frighten European people

Top Muslim Declares All Christians

Sudanese man beheaded in Saudi Arabia car park for being a 'sorcerer' | Mail Online

Coptic Christian Student Murdered By Classmates for Wearing a Cross

Libya: Al Qaeda flag flown above Benghazi courthouse - Telegraph

(i'm not providing more links simply because I don't want to sort through the 30+ more links.)


Question:

Are Muslims allowed to make friends with Christians, Jews or other non-Muslims?

Summary Answer:

Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers." Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs. It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims. In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."

Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.

Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).




From the Hadith:



Muslim (1:417) - Taken to mean that one's own relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.



Abu Dawud (41:4815) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend."



Abu Dawud (41:4832) - The Messenger of Allah [said] "Do not keep company with anyone but a believer and do not let anyone eat your food but one who is pious."



Bukhari (59:572) - "O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to you."



Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"



Ishaq 252 - The story of a young man who converts to Islam after hearing Muhammad. He then tells his own father that he can no longer have anything to do with him because, "I have become a Muslim and follow the religion of Muhammad." (To maintain a relationship with his son, the father "converts" as well). This is an important passage because it establishes that the principle of shunning is based merely on the status of non-Muslims as unbelievers, not on their relations toward Muslims. In this case, the father desperately loved his son and meant him no harm.




Additional Notes:

Even though they are explicitly kufr (unbelievers, Qur'an 5:17, 4:44-59) Jews and Christians are given special status in Islam. So, if Muhammad warned believers against taking them as friends, then it surely is not permissible for Muslims to befriend atheists or those of other religions.



Some Muslims interpret this to mean that they should not even act friendly toward nonbelievers. (Most, fortunately, do not). Even a modern-day fatwa (on Islam Q&A) that warns Muslims against taking unbelievers as "sincere friends" permits infidels to be dealt with "in a kind manner in the hope that they might become Muslim." (Of course, the same site also encourages Muslims to "stop keeping company with Christians and replace them with Muslim friends")



Some Muslims are embarrassed by verse 5:51 and have gone to elaborate lengths to modify its intent by interpreting the word 'friend' as "guardian" or "protector" - which are just two of several legitimate translations of the Arabic word. According to these apologists, the verse is referring to a Muslim's allegiance to a non-Muslim government (which is not all that comforting either). This appears to be refuted by the verse itself, which distinguishes between friends and protectors and instructs Muslims to avoid both.



Apologists sometimes point to verse 60:8-9 which says that Allah doesn't necessarily forbid showing kindness to unbelievers, but to shun the ones "who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out." This is an obvious reference to the Meccans, whose leaders expelled Muhammad and his handful of followers from Mecca (following his declaration of war against them). The verse was narrated shortly after their arrival in Medina, when it was necessary for the numerically disadvantaged Muslims to build alliances with non-Muslims in order to survive. The verses quoted above from Suras 9 and 5 are narrated at a much later, when Muslims had power. The verses expand the scope of unfriendliness to include anyone who is not Muslim.



Modern apologists such as Jamal Badawi try to cloud the straightforward interpretation of verse 5:51 by pointing out that Muslims are allowed to take non-Muslims as marriage partners, thus implying friendship. In fact, verse 2:221 explicitly forbids Muslims from marrying unbelievers, even though verse 5:5 allows it (Allah's change of mind corresponded somewhat curiously with Muhammad's own desire to marry a non-Muslim woman). Yusuf Ali reconciles the contradiction by saying that non-Muslims wives are "expected" to become Muslim.



In any event, only Muslim men are allowed to marry outside the faith. The women they marry relinquish control over their own lives, even to the extent that they cannot raise their own children in their own faith. All children must be raised Muslim. The non-Muslim woman also agrees to a lifetime of sexual servitude, and may be beaten if she does not submit.



This certainly doesn't sound like friendship to the rest of us. If your local Muslim cheerleader tries to pretend otherwise, then simply ask if a non-Muslim man may enter into this sort of "friendship" with a Muslim woman... then sit back and watch the backpedaling.



On the whole, Islam is very clear in teaching that there is no equality between believers and unbelievers, and hence no basis for a relationship of peers. Those who do not profess Muhammad are intended to exist in subjugation to those who do, then spend eternity in Hell. This does not preclude Muslims from acting friendly toward others, of course, but this does not constitute friendship as it is generally understood in the modern world.

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Befriending Christians and Jews

 

[nitroz]

Suicide bombers kill 7 in north Afghanistan - Yahoo! News

 

[logical4u]

Suicide bombers kill 7 in north Afghanistan - Yahoo! News

Wonder how many will "condemn" these attacks, out of our politicians???

 

[nitroz]

Severe lashing by husband sends wife to hospital - Emirates 24/7

Conversion of Pakistani Hindus condemned

Saudi Gazette - Pilgrim

Young women face forced marriage in Germany

2011.11.13 (Kadhimiya, Iraq) - A Shiite pilgrim bleeds to death following a bomb attack on his bus by Sunni radicals.
2011.11.13 (Spah Darri, Pakistan) - Four children and two women are crushed to death by a mortar attack on their home by Religion of Peace militants.
2011.11.13 (Mastak, Pakistan) - Six people are sent to Allah when terrorists detonate a bomb at a marketplace.
2011.11.12 (Mitram, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among eight civilians torn to shreds by a Taliban bomb.
2011.11.12 (Taraz, Kazakhstan) - An orthodox Muslim kills seven people before blowing himself up.
2011.11.11 (Hillah, Iraq) - A 6-year-old boy is among the casualties of a series of Jihad bombings.

CAIR completely ignored the burning of a dozen churches and
the massacre of over 130 Christians by Islamists in Nigeria -
and instead spent the week trying to pretend that a gathering of
praying Christians in Detroit is a security threat to Muslims..



All Islam's fault.

 

[Sunni Man]

CAIR stands for "Council on American-Islamic Relations

The key word being "American"

It is an organization dedicated to Islamic issues here in the United States.

CAIR has no power to influence or direct issues in other nations.

 

[nitroz]

CAIR stands for "Council on American-Islamic Relations

The key word being "American"

It is an organization dedicated to Islamic issues here in the United States.

CAIR has no power to influence or direct issues in other nations.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...s-ciar-who-they-are-and-whats-their-goal.html

 

[logical4u]

CAIR stands for "Council on American-Islamic Relations

The key word being "American"

It is an organization dedicated to Islamic issues here in the United States.

CAIR has no power to influence or direct issues in other nations.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...s-ciar-who-they-are-and-whats-their-goal.html

Can you give a summary?

 

[nitroz]

CAIR stands for "Council on American-Islamic Relations

The key word being "American"

It is an organization dedicated to Islamic issues here in the United States.

CAIR has no power to influence or direct issues in other nations.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...s-ciar-who-they-are-and-whats-their-goal.html

Can you give a summary?

For the CIAR? Thats the summary in the thread linked...

The links inside that thread take you to the detailed version......

 

[nitroz]

 

[nitroz]

A TROP Original



Hate Speech?

(Not According to CAIR)



“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

Hate speech? Incitement to violence? Sounds like it to us, but a knowledgeable Muslim would have to disagree.

Why would Muslims not consider this to be hate speech? How is it that we can post these quotes with full certainty that CAIR won't be contacting the media (or Congress) with wild-eyed accusations of Islamophobia?

Well, for one thing, we don’t actually agree with any of these disgusting statements, of course. No one should be harassed for their religious beliefs (or lack thereof) much less physically assaulted.

But the real reason is that we don't fear CAIR is because Muslims themselves honestly believe these quotes to be the literal, eternal word of Allah. In fact, CAIR is promoting this hate speech on their own website! It is actively propagating the very literature that contains these comments, even while sanctimoniously claiming that it is working against hate and violence.

But… isn't CAIR a Muslim organization? What’s the catch?

Well, if you haven’t guessed it already, these are quotes from the Qur’an in which we've replaced the word ‘Christian’, ‘Jew’ or ‘unbeliever’ with the word ‘Muslim.’

Here is how they actually appear in the literature that groups like CAIR are pushing:

Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

These verses come from five different places in the Qur’an. There are dozens of others scattered throughout that advocate violence in open-ended fashion. There are hundreds more that speak of hatred and hell toward Christians, Jews, and other non-believers. (Is it any wonder that the Muslim world is split largely between those who tacitly support Islamic terror and those who do nothing about it?)

Very few of these verses are bound by historical context within the text of the Qur’an, and any appeal to external sources for mitigation would apply also to the tiny handful of verses that are used (disingenuously) to promote Islam as being loving and tolerant. More importantly, there is a far greater number of violent verses than ones of tolerance, and most were “revealed” later, thus abrogating the handful of earlier ones.

And yet, this is the book that CAIR wants people to read! This is what CAIR considers to be holy text, even to the extent that an exact replica of the Qur’an (grammatical errors and all) is said to be on a table in heaven guarded by angels.

So, the next time you hear CAIR smugly accusing its critics of “hate speech,” just remember what the organization's agenda really is:

They don’t mind hate speech directed at non-Muslims. In fact, they promote it.

They don't mind religious minorities being denied rights that Muslims have in Muslims societies. In fact, they plug fatwas and religious literature that encourage discrimination.

They don't even mind the vast amount of terrorism in the name of Islam. In fact, they refuse to specifically acknowledge and denounce more than 99% of it, including the on-going genocide against black Africans by Arabs.

So, don't be fooled by those Muslims using the new words that they've recently discovered, such as 'bigotry' and 'hate speech'. These mean nothing in the Islamic world, where the supremacy of Islam and institutionalized discrimination against non-believers are taken for granted.

The language of civil rights and tolerance is merely an ironic tool of convenience for prominent Muslim organizations in the West to advance their cause of Islamic supremacy. True civil rights organizations are concerned about rights for all people, regardless of race or religion, and this is something that Islam has never been able to produce... and probably never will...

At least according to our Qur’an!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Quran_Hate.htm

 

[nitroz]

HaveeruOnline - Organisers remove death threats against 'anti-Islam' activists

 

[logical4u]

CAIR stands for "Council on American-Islamic Relations

The key word being "American"

It is an organization dedicated to Islamic issues here in the United States.

CAIR has no power to influence or direct issues in other nations.

Then why is it collecting money for "over there"?

 

[nitroz]

CAIR stands for "Council on American-Islamic Relations

The key word being "American"

It is an organization dedicated to Islamic issues here in the United States.

CAIR has no power to influence or direct issues in other nations.

Then why is it collecting money for "over there"?

Because their main funding is from terrorist organizations.
If they didn't, they would simply dissipate due to lack of funding.

The group itself has some extremist roots.

 

[nitroz]

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[nitroz]

Twin suicide bombings kill 40 in Damascus: Syria - Yahoo! News

 

[amrchaos]

That is quite a cut and paste job that Nitro brain posted.

Question: Is it considered plagiarism or a violation of rules on this board when you do not provide a Link to the original documents ??

On an informal board, unless the op claim that what he post is his original work or ideas(which appears not to be) it is safe to assume otherwise.


It is not considered plagarism when one throws out facts/opinions created by others in an informal medium. It does imply an agreement of opionion between the op and the work that the op has posted. But unlikely the op's work unless the op states otherwise.

 

[nitroz]

That is quite a cut and paste job that Nitro brain posted.

Question: Is it considered plagiarism or a violation of rules on this board when you do not provide a Link to the original documents ??

On an informal board, unless the op claim that what he post is his original work or ideas(which appears not to be) it is safe to assume otherwise.


It is not considered plagarism when one throws out facts/opinions created by others in an informal medium. It does imply an agreement of opionion between the op and the work that the op has posted. But unlikely the op's work unless the op states otherwise.

Even I said that most of this was from religionofpeace.com