Zone1 Why is White Culture a Bad Thing?

[AZrailwhale]

The last known slave ship to bring enslaved Africans to the United States was the Clotilda, which arrived in Mobile Bay, Alabama, in either autumn 1859 or July 1860.

Another ship, the Wanderer, illegally brought over 400 slaves to Georgia in 1858. And there are further reports and findings regarding this chapter.

At the same time, the British began exerting pressure on the African rulers to stop exporting people as slaves. In contrast, the United States made little effort to enforce their legislation until 1820 and 1821, when US naval ships patrolled the West African coast. A level of local co-operation was achieved between the two navies, but the US persisted in forbidding Royal Navy ships to board slavers flying the American flag. Consequently, US colors were a means by which slavers of many nations avoided interception.

Interesting to note:
"Until February 7, 2013, the state of Mississippi had never submitted the required documentation to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment, meaning it never officially had abolished slavery.

You might remember that the USA fought a war with Great Britain in 1812 largely to stop the Royal Navy from boarding ships flying American colors. We became somewhat sensitive on the issue thereafter.

 

[Kruska]

You might remember that the USA fought a war with Great Britain in 1812 largely to stop the Royal Navy from boarding ships flying American colors. We became somewhat sensitive on the issue thereafter.

It doesn't change the fact, that slave holding ships continued to arrive in the USA. - that was my point, nothing else.

• Main Causes: British economic blockades of France (affecting US shipping), impressment of American sailors, and British support for Native American tribes along the frontier.
• Irony: Unknown to the Americans at the time, Britain had begun to repeal the restrictions on shipping just before the U.S. declared war.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It doesn't change the fact, that slave holding ships continued to arrive in the USA. - that was my point, nothing else.

• Main Causes: British economic blockades of France (affecting US shipping), impressment of American sailors, and British support for Native American tribes along the frontier.
• Irony: Unknown to the Americans at the time, Britain had begun to repeal the restrictions on shipping just before the U.S. declared war.

They were smugglers just like the snakeheads smuggling Chinese and the Coyotes smuggling Latinos and Arabs today. Any slaver making port in the North would be seized and the slaves freed, any slaver making port in the South would be seized and the slaves sold by the local government. No benefit for the slaves but at least the slavers would lose their profit and their ship.

 

[JoeB131]

400 years and the USA turns 250 next this year........explain your math

You do realize America existed as a culture before 1776, right?

American History really starts in 1619, not with the Mayflower landing at Plymouth, but the first slave ship arriving at Jamestown.

yes humans have always taken advantage of other humans for food or resources
going back to cave man days

You need a history lesson on what survival of the fittest means........it's life or death

If you can't get what you need and have a force you TAKE it by force to get what you need

survival 101.......or you DIE

In a civilized society, you do that shit, you end up in a prison.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You do realize America existed as a culture before 1776, right?

American History really starts in 1619, not with the Mayflower landing at Plymouth, but the first slave ship arriving at Jamestown.



In a civilized society, you do that shit, you end up in a prison.

That was BRITISH culture. Up until the Declaration of Independence was signed, the colonists were fighting for their rights as CITIZENS OF THE CROWN.

 

[JoeB131]

I’m sure you agree that we should hold Israel’s neighbors to the same standards as other countries. In other words, no bombardments of civilian targets, no sending suicide bombers to kill Israeli civilians, no cross border raids like 10/7, no targeting civilian target without the extensive warnings the IDF provides so civilians can clear the hazard zones. No indiscriminate rocket attacks on exclusively civilian targets.
But you have one standard for Israel and a much lower one for it’s neighbors. If you didn’t have double standards, you wouldn’t have any standards at all,

Actually, I'd be happy to hold the Zionist Entity to the same standards we held Serbia to back in the 1990's.

Also, not sure how the Zionist Shitstains could be so humane, and STILL manage to kill 72,000 people.

 

[JoeB131]

That was BRITISH culture. Up until the Declaration of Independence was signed, the colonists were fighting for their rights as CITIZENS OF THE CROWN.

They didn't have slaves in Britain itself.

Slavery was part of our culture, from the first boat that came over.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't dismiss, I dispute putting the blame solely upon present day USA for things done in the past by our fore bearers as well as the other, original colonial powers.

USA has only existed for 250 years. Prior to that many European nations controlled the colonies here, and they are the ones that started the "institutionalizing". IIRC that was because between so many dying of disease and also not being 'good' workers, those European colonizers looked to Africa for workers/slaves; which fellow Africans were willing to capture and sell.

No, stupid, AMERICANS held those slaves, not Brits.

The colonies had their own charters and their own governments.

Why did it never occur to these white people to do their own damned work?

 

[Kruska]

They were smugglers just like the snakeheads smuggling Chinese and the Coyotes smuggling Latinos and Arabs today. Any slaver making port in the North would be seized and the slaves freed, any slaver making port in the South would be seized and the slaves sold by the local government. No benefit for the slaves but at least the slavers would lose their profit and their ship.

Only the ships that were seized - others simply went through (being awaited).

Anyway, the argument of slavery to me is a no-brainer, since in those days it was practiced by everyone.

However the forceful disruption of foreign cultures and thus their discontinued development via European colonialism, affected 100's of millions of people. Simply not being able to continue their own social, economic and technical development for up to 350 years. And these extreme impacts can be felt until today - foremost in Africa and parts of the Americas.

And that was unfortunately but evidently caused by us Europeans. Simply "granting" independence from the 1950's onward didn't give them back up to 350 years of wasted opportunity.

 

[egp320i]

You do realize America existed as a culture before 1776, right?

American History really starts in 1619, not with the Mayflower landing at Plymouth, but the first slave ship arriving at Jamestown.



In a civilized society, you do that shit, you end up in a prison.

I'd say we are more civilized now then in the past 2000 years, can you agree with that?

does bad things still happen? of course all over the world

 

[AZrailwhale]

Only the ships that were seized - others simply went through (being awaited).

Anyway, the argument of slavery to me is a no-brainer, since in those days it was practiced by everyone.

However the forceful disruption of foreign cultures and thus their discontinued development via European colonialism, affected 100's of millions of people. Simply not being able to continue their own social, economic and technical development for up to 350 years. And these extreme impacts can be felt until today - foremost in Africa and parts of the Americas.

And that was unfortunately but evidently caused by us Europeans. Simply "granting" independence from the 1950's onward didn't give them back up to 350 years of wasted opportunity.

Any ships that went into major ports were seized.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Only the ships that were seized - others simply went through (being awaited).

Anyway, the argument of slavery to me is a no-brainer, since in those days it was practiced by everyone.

However the forceful disruption of foreign cultures and thus their discontinued development via European colonialism, affected 100's of millions of people. Simply not being able to continue their own social, economic and technical development for up to 350 years. And these extreme impacts can be felt until today - foremost in Africa and parts of the Americas.

And that was unfortunately but evidently caused by us Europeans. Simply "granting" independence from the 1950's onward didn't give them back up to 350 years of wasted opportunity.

All cultures aren’t equal. Most of those cultures were savage like the Mayans and Incas. I suppose the Spanish should have allowed them to continue mass slaughter and cannibalism, or the Indians to continue Suttee (burning widows alive on their husband’s funeral pyres)?.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They didn't have slaves in Britain itself.

Slavery was part of our culture, from the first boat that came over.

They did, but Britain was the first country to ban it. A court decision essentially banned slavery in Great Britain. Of course that didn’t help the Irish and Scots who were bound to the land, essentially slaves. Even in Britain, while official serfdom had been banned in the thirteenth century, farmers were bound to the land and could be turned off their land by land lords for any reason, or no reason at all.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, stupid, AMERICANS held those slaves, not Brits.

The colonies had their own charters and their own governments.

Why did it never occur to these white people to do their own damned work?

There were no Americans before September 1783 when the Treaty of Paris was signed. Prior to that the Colonists were subjects of the King in rebellion and treated as such. They were treated as rebels, not POWs when captured.

 

[IM2]

Lisa,

Whites did not create anything. Nor were the indigenous people any less advanced than the white who floated over here at that time. That's why the white wet through the starving time when they ran out of food, and because they ate rat an anything they could, a bunch of them starved to death and ended up eating the corpses.

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And t those who try arguing that the lan wa notten becue it wa not owned, that is another lie. Each nation that was here had territory.

So this land was stolen, and it was stolen based on a false doctrine by the Catholic Church.

And for the person who tried to talk about Africans exporting slaves, it really didn't happen like that.

Africans did not sell their own people into slavery

www.africaw.com

Furthemore:

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence. By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”

“During the fifty-three years from the prohibition of the African slave trade by federal law in 1808 to the debacle of the Confederate States of America in 1861, the Southern economy depended on the functioning of a slave-breeding industry, of which Virginia was the number-one supplier.”

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books

According to this information, 389,000 slaves landed on the shores of what is now America. By 1860, there were four million slaves living here. The importation of slaves was made illegal in 1808. So from 1808 until 1860, the number of slaves increased by at least one thousand percent. If we allow for the Africans selling each other, Africans would be responsible for approximately 389 thousand slaves. What about the 3.1-4 million additional slaves? Africans did not create them. This was done by forced slave breeding for business, pleasure, and entertainment.

White people were not forced to buy the slaves, but there were many instances where Africans were foced sell them or die.

Ten times more slaves were bred by whites than whatever you want to claim the Africans did. There is just no escape from this, white racists.

And then there is Jim Crow... Africans did not do that, and it was bipartisan.

Learn the complete history instead of the white man's fairy tale.

 

[IM2]

I'd say we are more civilized now then in the past 2000 years, can you agree with that?

does bad things still happen? of course all over the world

We are no more civilized now that we ever were. We are responsible for what happens here, cease with the autoexcuses.

 

[Lisa558]

Lisa,

Whites did not create anything. Nor were the indigenous people any less advanced than the white who floated over here at that time. That's why the white wet through the starving time when they ran out of food, and because they ate rat an anything they could, a bunch of them starved to death and ended up eating the corpses.

the starving time jamestown - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

And t those who try arguing that the lan wa notten becue it wa not owned, that is another lie. Each nation that was here had territory.

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So this land was stolen, and it was stolen based on a false doctrine by the Catholic Church.

And for the person who tried to talk about Africans exporting slaves, it really didn't happen like that.

Africans did not sell their own people into slavery

www.africaw.com

Furthemore:

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence. By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”

“During the fifty-three years from the prohibition of the African slave trade by federal law in 1808 to the debacle of the Confederate States of America in 1861, the Southern economy depended on the functioning of a slave-breeding industry, of which Virginia was the number-one supplier.”

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books

According to this information, 389,000 slaves landed on the shores of what is now America. By 1860, there were four million slaves living here. The importation of slaves was made illegal in 1808. So from 1808 until 1860, the number of slaves increased by at least one thousand percent. If we allow for the Africans selling each other, Africans would be responsible for approximately 389 thousand slaves. What about the 3.1-4 million additional slaves? Africans did not create them. This was done by forced slave breeding for business, pleasure, and entertainment.

White people were not forced to buy the slaves, but there were many instances where Africans were foced sell them or die.

Ten times more slaves were bred by whites than whatever you want to claim the Africans did. There is just no escape from this, white racists.

And then there is Jim Crow... Africans did not do that, and it was bipartisan.

Learn the complete history instead of the white man's fairy tale.

Yeah, OK. Whites have contributed nothing. Got it.

 

[cnm]

Yeah, OK. Whites have contributed nothing. Got it.

From the evidence of this thread, they're pretty good at whining.

 

[Lockback]

From the evidence of this thread, they're pretty good at whining.

Maybe because whites are tired of being blamed falsely for every problem in the world?
Just a guess.
But, then, I'm white. So what do I know?

 

[egp320i]

We are no more civilized now that we ever were. We are responsible for what happens here, cease with the autoexcuses.

LOL, yeah we are like the romans, goths and mongols now
Throw in the vikings for good measure

did you learn nothing in school?