Why is the West pretending Iran is winning the war against Israel, the US?

Mainly because the vile dems and the MSM were planning on riding the war horse through the midterms and the Trump hating nations were living vicariously through them.

To be honest none of them have been right in the head since the weapons officer was rescued.
 
What will Trump do for an encore after losing a war to Iran that almost all Americans opposed??
 

Trump says he was 'honored' to rip up Obama's Iran ...​

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6 days ago — Had I not terminated that terrible deal – I was so honored to do it. I was so proud to do it. It was so bad right from the beginning."

Trump described the efforts in the Middle East as making "tremendous progress" and called Operation Epic Fury "necessary for the safety of America and the security of the free world."

LOL.

Letting the other parasite war criminal, talk you into a war with Iran created a clusterfuk, you can't get out of.

The orange retard is trying so hard to get a deal, half as good as Obama had.
 
Truth is that at this point Iran has won a tremendous advantage .

It’s easy to see that the so called ā€œdealā€ was reached a day after the US suffered its most disastrous losses in decades, not long after many of the US’s most significant regional bases were abandoned, its aircraft carriers disabled and sent running, with even the Marine-carrying Tripoli said to have faced missiles and sent scurrying yesterday as well.
It’s clear that it was the US in the weak position and in desperate need of this ceasefire.

A week later than I forecast.
 
What is ā€œwinningā€

We would have been better off if Trump left it the fuk alone

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British media assessed this war as the following in very unflattering terms: Iran now has a younger more defiant leader, they are now going to become wealthy by charging for oil, oil supply is lower and price higher, Gulf states are going to turn away from America and towards China, China and Russia will continue to send weapons to Iran, Iran will keep its highly enriched nuclear material and probably pursue a nuke with Chinas help, Israel will be LESS safe long term now. Ultimately the big winner of this war is China. Drones changed global warfare and the West refused to listen, rewarding their military lobbyists instead. What will this mean for Ukraine or Taiwan? How much weaker is Europes global power today after being exposed? It was a very dismal assessment and I hope incorrect. Someone provide a counter assessment that rejects these claims.
 
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We just spent $200 billion and lost more than a dozen American lives to get Iran to open a strait—with new tolls—that wasn’t closed before Trump started this war.
There won't be tolls
 
Wrong. Iran has been pummeled into near oblivion. Take your lies and shove them.
He/she/it hates America so much and lies constantly about Trump. Completely removed from reality, living in a fantasy world.
 
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Unless you have amnesia, please remember that Iran sent missiles into Israel not to destroy bridges. infrastructure or military targets but specifically into urban centers to kill civilians.
Not the same thing as attacking the US.
Neither the U.S. nor its ally in this operation against Iran have attacked the civilian population.
Even this past evening Iran fired missiles with "Cluster Bombs" into Israel.
The threat to bomb all the bridges and electric generation plants is not a war crime.
Ok
Additionally, although prices may be rising it is still better that requiring a ration card to buy meat, coffee, butter, bacon, cheese, shoes, alcohol, and fuel to drive your car or heat your home.
Don't think you'd be capable of living that way for four years. The Brits lived on rationing from 1939 to 1954
If you're so overwrought over what's happening in Iran. Think about the "Firebombing" of the German cities of Berlin, Dresden, and Hambourg.

Read more:
:https://ameshistory.org/content/world-war-ii-rationing-us-homefront?utm_source=copilot.com
Thanks for the chuckle.

You asked…I told you.
 
Yeah, but it's also factual.
If it is factual, you won't mind providing a source which verifies this claim.

A source that claims it is not enough, you need to give me a source that tell how they found about, and a way I can verify it myself.

Otherwise? W/E.
 

Why is the West pretending Iran is winning the war against Israel, the US?​

- Iran’s Democratic government was destroyed by the CIA’s political coup after only about 3 years. 1951-1953

- The CIA-backed puppet regime and Dictatorship lasted about 26 years. 1953-1979

- The Islamic Republic and government has now been in power for nearly 50 years. 1979- to present day.

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Why is the West pretending Iran is winning the war against Israel, the US?

Despite Iran's military collapse, Western analysts continue to push a false narrative of victory. The facts don't align with the rhetoric surrounding the conflict.

7 Apr 2026 ~~ By Nadim Koteich

Let us be precise about what is happening here. A war is being fought in the Middle East. Another war is being fought in the pages of newspapers, on the panels of cable networks, and in the faculty lounges of institutions that have confused sophistication with a reflex. The second war has a declared winner: Iran. It just has nothing to do with what is actually happening in the first one.
The claim, repeated with the solemnity of established fact, is made by smart and credentialed people, who know and want you to know they know. However, they are wrong. Not subtly wrong. Not wrong in ways that require careful qualification. They are wrong in the way that requires ignoring ninety percent of Iran's missile capacity destroyed in week one, a navy that no longer exists, a Supreme Leader killed in the opening hours of the campaign, and a proxy network that is fracturing from Lebanon to Yemen.
Wrong in the way that requires looking at the Gulf states, which are doubling down on the relation with the US and Israel, and concluding somehow that Iran has outmaneuvered everyone.
This is not an analysis. So, what is it?
Start with the cultural reflex that makes it possible. There is a tradition in Western intellectual life, old and deeply rooted, that assigns moral value to resistance independent of what the resistance actually represents. The weaker party defying the stronger carries a charge, almost aesthetic in nature, that bypasses any serious accounting of the defiant party's actual character. Content is irrelevant. Posture is everything.
So the theocracy that massacred thousands of its own citizens in January, that has bled Lebanon dry through Hezbollah, that has sustained proxy wars across four countries at its own people's expense, gets cast as a proud country holding the line against imperial aggression. Few, in this context, question what the country actually does to the people living inside it. The template does not require that question. Power versus resistance. Empire versus defiance. The weaker party is always the more sympathetic one, and sympathy, in this world, travels quickly into presumed strategic vindication.
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The liberal international order has two problems with this war. The first is structural. America is the last Western democracy that still believes military force is a legitimate instrument of order, not a confession of civilizational failure. Europe settled that question in its own mind decades ago and built an entire political identity around the settlement. American willingness to remain the enforcer was tolerable when it meant keeping Soviet tanks out of Bonn. It is intolerable now because it validates a vision of the world, one where power and deterrence are the actual foundations of stability, that the European liberal project has spent fifty years attempting to replace with institutions, dialogue, and the softly spoken authority of multilateral consensus. A successful American military campaign does not just win a war. It wins an argument they thought they had closed, and it wins it twice. Because Ukraine already cracked every institution built to make war obsolete on the European continent, proving decorative the moment Russia invaded. The entire post-Cold War security architecture, gone in seventy-two hours.
The second problem is simpler and more raw. If America did it, it must be wrong. Not as a conclusion, but as a premise. American power is suspect by definition, its exercise presumptively illegitimate, its victories either temporary, tainted, or both. This is not a position that arrives after examining the evidence. It is the lens through which the evidence is examined, which means no evidence can ever change it. That is not a political view. It is a religion with better footnotes.
And then there is Trump. A Trump failure ratifies everything the liberal order has argued since 2016, whereas a Trump success is an ideological catastrophe. Because it means the man they identified as the singular threat to civilized governance managed to accomplish something consequential and real in the one domain where their own preferred approach produced the JCPOA, the engagement doctrine, and two decades of elaborately reasoned accommodation with a revolutionary theocracy that never moderated and never intended to.
They cannot let that be visible. So the goalposts move. Every civilian casualty becomes evidence of strategic bankruptcy. Every Iranian missile that gets through becomes proof of resilience. Every European condemnation becomes a harbinger of American isolation. The war must be failing because the alternative, a world in which this worked, is a world that does not fit the story they have been telling.
There is a test for this. Ask any of them directly: what would American victory look like to you? If the answer keeps changing, if every benchmark met produces a new benchmark, if success in their telling is always just out of reach, you are not in the presence of an analyst. You are in the presence of someone who decided the verdict before the trial began and is now selecting evidence accordingly.
The facts are not difficult. The enemy's supreme leader is dead. His navy is at the bottom of the Gulf. His missile arsenal is a fraction of what it was. His neighbors are not mourning. They are urging Washington to finish the job.
That is not a war Iran is winning. Saying otherwise is not sophistication. It is not moral complexity. It is a political project dressed in the language of seriousness, executed by people who know exactly what they are doing and are counting on the rest of us not to notice.


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Good question for Democrats, the Media and their goat copulating IRGC 5th columnists and Tehran Tiffanys.
If the goal of the United States is to overthrow the mullahs and effect regime change, then Iran does appear to be winning.
This is ridiculous. If Iran is winning, then Japan was ā€œwinningā€ right up until the Emperor surrendered. Germany was winning until Hitler offed himself and Lee was winning until…
The media is playing for the other team. It is no longer the Fourth Estate; it has grown into the Fifth Column and a direct threat to National Security.
Who can forget the Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Geraldo Rivera, Peter Arnett, Lester Holt and the rest of the blame America first media screaming the preferred media talking point of the day for the Afghan war - constant weeks of repeated coordinated messaging of ā€œquagmire, quagmire, quagmire, quagmire, quagmire , quagmire , quagmire ,quagmire followed by a croaking. ā€œWe wonā€. ā€œWhenever you hear the media coordinated talking point campaign you can be certain the people are being played, bluffed, baffled and bullshitted.
The news media and their fellow traveler Democrats talking points this time are "War Crime" and "Escalation".
Democrats are men and women that enslave others.
There have been slave owners since the beginning of time. If you control education and information, what will your population develop into?
Cooperative slaves.
Who dominates in Education and media? Democrats and their Marxist Socialist friends
Who dominates in productive industry? God fearing men.
I’m not always sure the military is a productive industry,
But their oath (and mine) ended with ā€œSo help me God.ā€
Personally. I believe there's no such thing as an Atheist in a war, and surely we are at war.

The left media are taking off their masks:

 
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Well, it’s good to see you guys are now admitting we are at war. You guys were having trouble admitting that earlier.

As always, your post is 100% pure garbage.

Here is why....

When you attack someone without provocation--as we did with Iran--and have the numbers advantage we have, the longer it goes on, the more they appear to be wining if they are still on the battlefield. The same thing is happening in Ukraine with Russia.

Meanwhile, gas is way up, the costs of everything is spiking; our economy is slowing, the orange blob is totally consumed with Iran and reorganizing his cabinet ahead of a possible loss of the Senate in 2026. The situation in Iran is worse. That doesn’t mean a lot to folks in red states who are losing farming jobs because of Turnip’s tarrifs and now paying $70 to fill up their truck.
Attack someone without provocation?

What you, some kind of idiot?
 
Attack someone without provocation?
Yep; that’s what we did.

However on the flip side you’re saying that anyone who is ā€œprovokedā€ can bomb the shit out of the other guy? So you must have been a fan of the 10/7 attack by HAMAS, right?

One could argue they were provoked too.
What you, some kind of idiot?
No but you sure as sh!t are.

Provoked? Give me a ******* break. We both know this about you....you’re a racist whose only outlet in life is this board. It’s basically your life.

How many times did you decry the ā€œprovocationā€ of Iran in the first 2 months of this year (before our unwarranted attack)? Once. One god-damned time you mentioned the word Iran. And that was to ***** about a 47 year old attack on our embassy. An attack so egregious that the blob didn’t mention it during his first term much less attack them.

You’re head is so far up your ass that you cough up dandruff.
 
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