mga138
I have already addressed the issue that there are several subgroups within each broad racial category and mentioned several of the White Subgroups---Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean, Baltic. And how White people are mostly a combination of one of those racial subgroups. I also cited the minuscule Pygmy from the Congo Basin and the tall Maasai from Kenya as 2 examples of Black Subgroups.
I don't like repeating myself but If you are trying to ground racial differences as genetic products of race the very first thing you NEED to do is offer up a genetic or biological definition of race. So you are going to have to do something no one has not done nor has any study
mga138
That is a reference to studies that show self-control is heritable. Also, psychologists have found that Blacks have the lowest impulse control and an inability to defer gratification for some future benefit
Psychology is a soft science open to interpretation.
Even when you look at the main people running around trying to prove how stupid black ppl are. What do you see ?
- Steve Sailer, journalist/computer salesman.
- J. Philippe Rushton, psychologist.
- Francis Fukuyama, political economist.
- Richard Herrnstein, psychologist (Bell Curve Author)
- Charles Murray, political scientist (Bell Curve Author)
- Arthur Jensen, psychology professor.
- Jared Taylor, Philosophy and economist
- Richard Spencer, Studied Arts and history at university
You notice anything strange?
No biologists or anthropologists, much less geneticists in sight. All in the soft sciences. But yet these are the same people that will insist black people have this dumb gene ? And race is biological ?
But guys like you trust these people over biologists and anthropologists, the very people who study these things for a living? That's not to say there is no white supremacists that studied in the hard sciences after all many of the Nazis were doctors.
mga138
this amounts to a “smash-and-grab,” mentality
This coming from white supremacist that smashed and grabbed the whole world......
the nerve.
mga138
That influences rates of violent crime
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to white people
That's just you being scared of black men. You have never been attacked by a black man. Nor has anyone you know. Most, if not all the people who have done you harm your in life have been white
Tell me when I'm lying ?
Your fear of black man is part of the system you support.
After all where do these racialized images of black male strength and toughness come from ?
Not from black people.
Black men didn’t create and perpetuate the stereotype that it was our group that was big and bad and dangerous. Nor did black men create, the opposite belief: that white men were weak and less likely to defend themselves.
mga138
School drop-out rates
This comment assume that whites are completely fair-minded, that they can judge merit of black ppl in a colour-blind way. I do not know of any study that shows them capable of that.
mga138
and academic failure
Well If white supremacist provide school kids with profoundly unstandardized educations. I mean whites brag
"By GOD !!! We don't have big government running the schools. By god !! We delineate all that to the local level !! We let them choose their own curriculum. We believe in local control !! We believe in property tax funding of K-12 education !! We don't want big central bad federal government doing educations"
Like they do in every country that the USA compares themselves with and beats them on every international test.
But the USA would rather every village run their own school
So you have a system with profoundly unstandardized schools, profoundly unstandardized financial resources, profoundly unstandardized teaching training, profoundly unstandardized curriculum.
And then you give the kids what ?
A standardized test
And then ppl act shocked when at the end of an unstandardized process all the kids coming through don't do equally as well and you say to those who didn't do as well
(who will disproportionately be black of low income because who those are ones who are likely to go to the schools without those unequal resources) that
"You can't go to that college" "You can't to this uni" "Matter of fact you can't go to any college at all" "You're not that smart"
mga138
Illegitimate pregnancy
The birth rate among unmarried Black women has been dropping since 1992 – meaning that they are acting more responsibly, not less.
The reason the illegitimacy rate goes up is because the birth rate among
married Black women has been dropping even faster, something that has been going on since the 1950s. So although single Black women have cut back by 1/3 on children, married African American couples have cut back even further, BY OVER 1/2, on how many children they’re having.
Also an illegitimate birth tells you nothing about whether the mother lives with the father or gets married later, just as a legitimate birth tells you nothing about divorce, separation or incarceration. Single-parent households would be a better measure.
It’s funny to me how they love saying black women are the ones making these out of wedlock babies yet when it comes time to make a show and give out paychecks about babies being born to unwed or teen moms they get white women.
They use it to demonize BW and make BW the poster child for this but if its money involved ? Time to throw BW out.
Also right now Iceland has the highest rates of illegitimacy in the world
Iceland eh ? Not exactly the first place you'd expect to find a large black population, thus blowing the “illegitimate” black birth-rate out of the water. Iceland illegitimacy rate is 63%.
If you look at Europe the same trend is happening their and is reflected in greater numbers among white women.
mga138
Now, I’ve asked you to follow some structure here, so by that means we have a better discussion, and you keep failing at that. I was just pointing out how that is in line with what I have read—so that is not an ad hominem.
I'm the one that responding to each and everyone one of your points. So that question needs to be aimed at yourself.
mga138
I have also already said that there are racial differences in hormone levels, brain size, eye size, hair type, intelligence, bone density, gestation periods, fat distribution, age of development onset, disease rates
You're just repeating what you have already wrote. I read it clearly the first time and my point is the same as last time. If you are trying to ground hormone levels, brain size, eye size, hair type, intelligence, bone density, gestation periods, fat distribution, age of development onset, disease rates as a genetic product of race the very first thing you NEED to do is offer up a genetic or biological definition of race, something no one has not done nor has any study.
mga138
Scientists can even identify the race of an individual by looking at the bacteria in their mouth, or a skeleton. There are drugs like Bidil, which is a heart medication for African black people, only (some conventional medications do not work as well on the Negro race).
Again. You are just repeating what you have already wrote. I'm reading what you're writing. I'm reading it.
I'm just disagreeing with you. Do you understand ?
You are AGAIN making the mistake that physiological differences are markers for genetic-based differences, except that they AREN’T. Physiology is malleable, as in partially affected by the environment. Yet I will admit that physiology is affected by genes as well, but it still has nothing to do with a population/individual’s potential.
mga138
Racial differences are so real that there are race-specific diagnostic tests that hospitals must perform, too, and an MD could be sued for malpractice if he or she were to pretend that race was just a “Social construct,” as so many would have us believe.
I have never said that race is a social construct. Yes there ARE observable differences between people. It’s real that most human beings have hair that grows downward, but some human hair grows grows in curls sideways and upward.
Some humans have digestive systems that makes them unable to metabolize cow’s milk. Others are more prone to skin cancer, and so on and on.
But as much as those examples of genetic diversity are self-evident and SOMETIMES correlate to places and “racial” divisions, the
distribution of specific genes is not the same as
the existence of a race — and something that can consistently, accurately identify individuals or populations.
Those 2 things are different, but they get confused with each other.
It’s like saying all brown-eyed people form one race and all blue-eyed people form another. Just because eye colour is one observable similarity or difference, that doesn’t make the individuals and populations that have the characteristic, and 2 clearly defined “races”. Human beings just didn’t develop in such isolated ways…
mga138
This is reality and Science. To claim otherwise is the hijacking of science for the zealotry of politics, which is where the notion that race is imaginary comes from. That is a Political concept not a scientific one. Nicholas Wade, the science writer for the NY Times spends a lot of time on this politicizing of Science (especially race-related science) in his book--A Troublesome Inheritance.
I've never heard of Nicholas Wade.
If you think science can settle moral questions, then you need only look at the different scientific opinions over something like climate change / global warming or what were long considered settled matters (like evolution) to see how there is no one scientific opinion on any moral issue
You get science backwards.
The big difference between science and your pseudoscience lies not in what you say or how true it is (
after all, science is not always right and pseudoscience can be right by accident) but in how they grow and change as a body of knowledge.
Science is what your science teacher at school said it was:
1. Gather facts.
2. Come up with a hypothesis to make sense of them.
3. Test the hypothesis.
The important thing is that the hypothesis can be tested and can fail. That gives science a way to root out its own errors.
Pseudoscience is the opposite.
1. Come up with the desired conclusion.
2. Gather facts that support the conclusion.
3. Find excuses for the facts that do not it
True science would find surprises, it would challenge old ideas, it would deepen our understanding.
White supremacists do none of that. They just puts a fresh coat of paint on what was said 300 years ago about black people.
Black people according to :
- Thomas Jefferson in 1787: Less intelligence, more sex drive, more likely to break the law, poor self-control.
- White supremacists in 2021 :Less intelligence, more sex drive, more likely to break the law, less self-control.
