Why Do We Focus on Innocence, not Guilt?

[Anathema]

I’ve wondered about this for years because it’s the exact opposite of how I would set up a Justice System…

Why the hell does our Legal System focus so much on making sure the innocent go free rather than making sure that the Guilty get appropriately punished for what they’ve done wrong?

It just seems so completely backwards to me. Especially in a society where so few people are truly innocent

 

[TNHarley]

Yeah, innocent until proven guilty is for commies.

 

[Anathema]

Yeah, innocent until proven guilty is for commies.

Not necessarily. Just idiots and the utterly naive.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I’ve wondered about this for years because it’s the exact opposite of how I would set up a Justice System…

Why the hell does our Legal System focus so much on making sure the innocent go free rather than making sure that the Guilty get appropriately punished for what they’ve done wrong?

It just seems so completely backwards to me. Especially in a society where so few people are truly innocent

I'm not sure if you are aware but you separated from the monarchy 250 years ago.

A man is considered innocent because if not you'd have the same type of creepy system that the old Soviet Union, some pockets in Canada or China employ "you are guilty because the covert Creepy Ones say you are".

As one famous Russian dirtbag said "show me the man and I will show you the crime".

Perhaps there are a few too many in the West who need to be reminded about such basic principles.

 

[martybegan]

I’ve wondered about this for years because it’s the exact opposite of how I would set up a Justice System…

Why the hell does our Legal System focus so much on making sure the innocent go free rather than making sure that the Guilty get appropriately punished for what they’ve done wrong?

It just seems so completely backwards to me. Especially in a society where so few people are truly innocent

It works when the prosecutors fight to convict and the judges are impartial.

Now we have prosecutors that see the criminals as victims of "the system" and judges that favor the criminals for the same reason.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I’ve wondered about this for years because it’s the exact opposite of how I would set up a Justice System…

Why the hell does our Legal System focus so much on making sure the innocent go free rather than making sure that the Guilty get appropriately punished for what they’ve done wrong?

It just seems so completely backwards to me. Especially in a society where so few people are truly innocent

What would be your alternative?

 

[Anathema]

I'm not sure if you are aware but you separated from the monarchy 250 years ago.

A man is considered innocent because if not you'd have the same type of creepy system that the old Soviet Union, some pockets in Ontario or China employ "you are guilty because the covert Creepy Ones say you are".

As one famous Russian dirtbag said "she me the man and I will show you the crime".

Perhaps there are a few too many in the West who need to be reminded about such basic principles.

I’m well aware of the fact that my family helped slaughter Redcoats 250 years ago.

That Russian was correct. If we could truly read the hearts and minds of the 320 million Americans, few would not be shown unworthy of spending the rest of our lives in prison for one thing or another.

I would rather see ten “innocents” in jail than to see one Guilty person go free.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I’m well aware of the fact that my family helped slaughter Redcoats 250 years ago.

That Russian was correct. If we could truly read the hearts and minds of the 320 million Americans, few would not be shown unworthy of spending the rest of our lives in prison for one thing or another.

I would rather see ten “innocents” in jail than to see one Guilty person go free.

By your standards, you'd probably have 120M in jail today, perhaps more.

 

[Mr Natural]

I’ve wondered about this for years because it’s the exact opposite of how I would set up a Justice System…

Why the hell does our Legal System focus so much on making sure the innocent go free rather than making sure that the Guilty get appropriately punished for what they’ve done wrong?

It just seems so completely backwards to me. Especially in a society where so few people are truly innocent

So you’d rather see guilty until proven innocent?

 

[Zincwarrior]

I would rather see ten “innocents” in jail than to see one Guilty person go free.

And death penalty cases? Felony cases?

 

[Eman623]

I’m well aware of the fact that my family helped slaughter Redcoats 250 years ago.

That Russian was correct. If we could truly read the hearts and minds of the 320 million Americans, few would not be shown unworthy of spending the rest of our lives in prison for one thing or another.

I would rather see ten “innocents” in jail than to see one Guilty person go free.

Even if you were one of the innocents sitting in a prison cell, getting raped in a nightly basis?

The exact quote is that is better for 1,000 guilty to go free rather than have one innocent convicted. Personally I think that ratio is too high. I'd put the number closer to 50 or 100. Yes it would sick to be the one, but it would suck worse for everyone to have 50 or 100 violent criminals preying on society.

But that's just me. We should as a society decide what level of imperfectness in our criminal justice system we are willing to live with and tailor it for that.

 

[Anathema]

By your standards, you'd probably have 120M in jail today, perhaps more.

Yes we would, and we’d be far better off for it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yes we would, and we’d be far better off for it.

You want to put half the adults in the US in jail?

 

[Anathema]

Even if you were one of the innocents sitting in a prison cell, getting raped in a nightly basis?

Yes, because I’d kill myself as quickly as possible..

The exact quote is that is better for 1,000 guilty to go free rather than have one innocent convicted. Personally I think that ratio is too high. I'd put the number closer to 50 or 100. Yes it would sick to be the one, but it would suck worse for everyone to have 50 or 100 violent criminals preying on society

I’m aware of the quote. I believe the exact opposite. Especially since I don’t believe there’s more than 1-2% of the population that are actually innocents.

But that's just me. We should as a society decide what level of imperfectness in our criminal justice system we are willing to live with and tailor it for that

Yeah, and I wholeheartedly disagree with the choices this society has made.

 

[TNHarley]

This OP shouldnt surprise anyone. Anathema is the biggest authoritarian on this board.

 

[Anathema]

This OP shouldnt surprise anyone. Anathema is the biggest authoritarian on this board.

And proudly so. Criminals are sub-human scum. They need to be punished quickly and harshly for the benefit of society as a whole.

 

[Blaster]

So you’d rather see guilty until proven innocent?

That is how it works in the military.

 

[Zincwarrior]

That is how it works in the military.

You are claiming the US military justice system works on on the concept of guilty until proven innocent? Can you cite?

 

[Eman623]

Yes, because I’d kill myself as quickly as possible..

I’m aware of the quote. I believe the exact opposite. Especially since I don’t believe there’s more than 1-2% of the population that are actually innocents.

Yeah, and I wholeheartedly disagree with the choices this society has made.

We don't enforce laws against hearts and minds, only actions. Otherwise 100% would be in prison and there would literally be no one to serve as guards.

 

[1srelluc]

For ****'s sake......The OP is dildoes.