Why do some take belief in Global Warming as a political issue?

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Can I laugh my balls off any harder? s0n......you have the political IQ of a small soap dish. The contingent of deniers is decimating the alarmists in the court of public opinion.......and thats all I give a fcuk about. In fact, so much so that this forum is getting boring in the past two years or so. Every year the plaight of the alarmist nutters grows more pathetic.......almost daily there are new news reports of green energy getting a kick in the balls and efforts to curb carbon in 2012 = ZERO Nobody gives a shit and its not even debatable anymore.:fu::fu::fu::fu::fu::fu:

Absolutely nobody gives a flying fuck about the science except the internet OCD k00ks.

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And that was 2009...........ask yourself...........how much climate legislation has even been brought to the floor in the past two years???????:2up:
 

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Indeed.........in 2012........global warming is so fucking gay.:gay: The "consensus science" is losing in epic fashion.

How Bad Science Becomes Common Knowledge: Two Case Studies (solar and climate change) — MasterResource

And its not even debatable anymore.


Jackass President of ours will keep every swinging environmental nuuter on the hook with a bone here or a bone there........but his ass punted HUGE on Crap and Tax!!!!

ANd IM still laughing my balls off!!!:funnyface::funnyface::funnyface::funnyface::funnyface:



No carbon emmission ceilings for you assholes!!!!:eusa_dance::eusa_dance::eusa_dance::eusa_dance::eusa_dance::eusa_dance:



 
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Climate Change: The Next Generation: Stéphane Foucart, Le Monde: Michael Mann, hounded researcher

Original article (in French) from Le Monde
In early December, at the Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union (the annual grand gathering of the bigwigs of the geoscience world), Michael Mann introduced his forthcoming book to his peers. The lecture was entertaining and the audience laughed heartily. The American climatologist, Director of the Earth System Center at Pennsylvania State University, cracked numerous jokes and made many witty asides. He scoffed at the anti-science of the Republican politicians and mocked their ridiculous statements on climate change; everybody laughed out loud.
But this, surely, is no laughing matter. Michael Mann’s forthcoming book, The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines (Columbia University Press), is not really a science book; rather, as its title suggests, it deals instead with the war on climate science, which has at times turned into a manhunt, frequently with Mann as the quarry.
Lively, talkative and likeable, passionate about his research, Michael Mann is Conservative America’s most hated scientist. His crime is defined by two words, Hockey Stick, the nickname given to a curve showing how temperature has changed; a diagram that he will now forever be associated with.
In 1998, and again in 1999, with co-authors Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes, he published a “reconstruction” of Northern Hemisphere temperatures, from the year 1000 to the present day. Using the traces of past climates recorded in tree rings, corals and sediments, he succeeded in producing a striking curve in the shape of a hockey stick. The long handle shows a fairly regular decline in temperatures from 1000 to around 1900, whereas the blade displays a sudden and a rather worrying sharp upward increase that is very obvious since 1950. The main conclusion of the Hockey Stick is that the last decade of the twentieth century was probably the warmest in over a thousand years.
“The irony is that I wasn’t originally working on anthropogenic climate change but on natural climate oscillations,” says Michael Mann. “I wasn’t looking for a hockey stick; it simply emerged from the data!”
 

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Climate Change: The Next Generation: Stéphane Foucart, Le Monde: Michael Mann, hounded researcher

Original article (in French) from Le Monde
In early December, at the Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union (the annual grand gathering of the bigwigs of the geoscience world), Michael Mann introduced his forthcoming book to his peers. The lecture was entertaining and the audience laughed heartily. The American climatologist, Director of the Earth System Center at Pennsylvania State University, cracked numerous jokes and made many witty asides. He scoffed at the anti-science of the Republican politicians and mocked their ridiculous statements on climate change; everybody laughed out loud.
But this, surely, is no laughing matter. Michael Mann’s forthcoming book, The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines (Columbia University Press), is not really a science book; rather, as its title suggests, it deals instead with the war on climate science, which has at times turned into a manhunt, frequently with Mann as the quarry.
Lively, talkative and likeable, passionate about his research, Michael Mann is Conservative America’s most hated scientist. His crime is defined by two words, Hockey Stick, the nickname given to a curve showing how temperature has changed; a diagram that he will now forever be associated with.
In 1998, and again in 1999, with co-authors Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes, he published a “reconstruction” of Northern Hemisphere temperatures, from the year 1000 to the present day. Using the traces of past climates recorded in tree rings, corals and sediments, he succeeded in producing a striking curve in the shape of a hockey stick. The long handle shows a fairly regular decline in temperatures from 1000 to around 1900, whereas the blade displays a sudden and a rather worrying sharp upward increase that is very obvious since 1950. The main conclusion of the Hockey Stick is that the last decade of the twentieth century was probably the warmest in over a thousand years.
“The irony is that I wasn’t originally working on anthropogenic climate change but on natural climate oscillations,” says Michael Mann. “I wasn’t looking for a hockey stick; it simply emerged from the data!”
Rockhead....why don't you tell everyone that you work a mega polluting steel mill?
You're a hypocrite. :eusa_whistle:
 

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Climate Change: The Next Generation: Stéphane Foucart, Le Monde: Michael Mann, hounded researcher

Original article (in French) from Le Monde
In early December, at the Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union (the annual grand gathering of the bigwigs of the geoscience world), Michael Mann introduced his forthcoming book to his peers. The lecture was entertaining and the audience laughed heartily. The American climatologist, Director of the Earth System Center at Pennsylvania State University, cracked numerous jokes and made many witty asides. He scoffed at the anti-science of the Republican politicians and mocked their ridiculous statements on climate change; everybody laughed out loud.
But this, surely, is no laughing matter. Michael Mann’s forthcoming book, The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines (Columbia University Press), is not really a science book; rather, as its title suggests, it deals instead with the war on climate science, which has at times turned into a manhunt, frequently with Mann as the quarry.
Lively, talkative and likeable, passionate about his research, Michael Mann is Conservative America’s most hated scientist. His crime is defined by two words, Hockey Stick, the nickname given to a curve showing how temperature has changed; a diagram that he will now forever be associated with.
In 1998, and again in 1999, with co-authors Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes, he published a “reconstruction” of Northern Hemisphere temperatures, from the year 1000 to the present day. Using the traces of past climates recorded in tree rings, corals and sediments, he succeeded in producing a striking curve in the shape of a hockey stick. The long handle shows a fairly regular decline in temperatures from 1000 to around 1900, whereas the blade displays a sudden and a rather worrying sharp upward increase that is very obvious since 1950. The main conclusion of the Hockey Stick is that the last decade of the twentieth century was probably the warmest in over a thousand years.
“The irony is that I wasn’t originally working on anthropogenic climate change but on natural climate oscillations,” says Michael Mann. “I wasn’t looking for a hockey stick; it simply emerged from the data!”
Rockhead....why don't you tell everyone that you work a mega polluting steel mill?
You're a hypocrite. :eusa_whistle:
Because the steel mill that I work at does not fit that description at all, asshole.
 

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I believe the science of climate change and global warming is pretty solid. But I've been called a liberal or democrat/progressive on that alone.

Now, I never said I think Al Gore's carbon trading scam or whatever was the best solution, just that I believe the science....

So why is this belief treated as if reflects on my political leanings one way or another by so many others?
The Politics are inevitable. The Lefts solutions to the Problem all come with Massive New Government Powers attached, and Massive Economic interests are Involved as well. There are Millions of Scientists who would lose funding if the Idea that things were not Dire and eminent were not sold to the people. Which can and does lead to misstating, or Exaggerating of the Threat by Said Scientists.
 

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Climate Change: The Next Generation: Stéphane Foucart, Le Monde: Michael Mann, hounded researcher

Original article (in French) from Le Monde
In early December, at the Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union (the annual grand gathering of the bigwigs of the geoscience world), Michael Mann introduced his forthcoming book to his peers. The lecture was entertaining and the audience laughed heartily. The American climatologist, Director of the Earth System Center at Pennsylvania State University, cracked numerous jokes and made many witty asides. He scoffed at the anti-science of the Republican politicians and mocked their ridiculous statements on climate change; everybody laughed out loud.
But this, surely, is no laughing matter. Michael Mann’s forthcoming book, The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines (Columbia University Press), is not really a science book; rather, as its title suggests, it deals instead with the war on climate science, which has at times turned into a manhunt, frequently with Mann as the quarry.
Lively, talkative and likeable, passionate about his research, Michael Mann is Conservative America’s most hated scientist. His crime is defined by two words, Hockey Stick, the nickname given to a curve showing how temperature has changed; a diagram that he will now forever be associated with.
In 1998, and again in 1999, with co-authors Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes, he published a “reconstruction” of Northern Hemisphere temperatures, from the year 1000 to the present day. Using the traces of past climates recorded in tree rings, corals and sediments, he succeeded in producing a striking curve in the shape of a hockey stick. The long handle shows a fairly regular decline in temperatures from 1000 to around 1900, whereas the blade displays a sudden and a rather worrying sharp upward increase that is very obvious since 1950. The main conclusion of the Hockey Stick is that the last decade of the twentieth century was probably the warmest in over a thousand years.
“The irony is that I wasn’t originally working on anthropogenic climate change but on natural climate oscillations,” says Michael Mann. “I wasn’t looking for a hockey stick; it simply emerged from the data!”
Rockhead....why don't you tell everyone that you work a mega polluting steel mill?
You're a hypocrite. :eusa_whistle:
Because the steel mill that I work at does not fit that description at all, asshole.
No, of course not, it's the exception right? Not everyone is as gullible as your sorry ass, rockhead.
 

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Climate Change: The Next Generation: Stéphane Foucart, Le Monde: Michael Mann, hounded researcher

Original article (in French) from Le Monde
In early December, at the Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union (the annual grand gathering of the bigwigs of the geoscience world), Michael Mann introduced his forthcoming book to his peers. The lecture was entertaining and the audience laughed heartily. The American climatologist, Director of the Earth System Center at Pennsylvania State University, cracked numerous jokes and made many witty asides. He scoffed at the anti-science of the Republican politicians and mocked their ridiculous statements on climate change; everybody laughed out loud.
But this, surely, is no laughing matter. Michael Mann’s forthcoming book, The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines (Columbia University Press), is not really a science book; rather, as its title suggests, it deals instead with the war on climate science, which has at times turned into a manhunt, frequently with Mann as the quarry.
Lively, talkative and likeable, passionate about his research, Michael Mann is Conservative America’s most hated scientist. His crime is defined by two words, Hockey Stick, the nickname given to a curve showing how temperature has changed; a diagram that he will now forever be associated with.
In 1998, and again in 1999, with co-authors Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes, he published a “reconstruction” of Northern Hemisphere temperatures, from the year 1000 to the present day. Using the traces of past climates recorded in tree rings, corals and sediments, he succeeded in producing a striking curve in the shape of a hockey stick. The long handle shows a fairly regular decline in temperatures from 1000 to around 1900, whereas the blade displays a sudden and a rather worrying sharp upward increase that is very obvious since 1950. The main conclusion of the Hockey Stick is that the last decade of the twentieth century was probably the warmest in over a thousand years.
“The irony is that I wasn’t originally working on anthropogenic climate change but on natural climate oscillations,” says Michael Mann. “I wasn’t looking for a hockey stick; it simply emerged from the data!”
Rockhead....why don't you tell everyone that you work a mega polluting steel mill?
You're a hypocrite. :eusa_whistle:
Because the steel mill that I work at does not fit that description at all, asshole.
Ah Yes the Evil Steal Industry that Libs Chased away to China with Regulations and Union Demands. But Liberal Policies are not the Reason Jobs are lost to over seas right folks? lol
 

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Yeah, right I suppose he runs the "realclimate.org" website because he wasn't looking for a hockey stick.

Mann is a con artist. He should be in jail for committing fraud.

The main conclusion of the Hockey Stick is that the last decade of the twentieth century was probably the warmest in over a thousand years.
“The irony is that I wasn’t originally working on anthropogenic climate change but on natural climate oscillations,” says Michael Mann. “I wasn’t looking for a hockey stick; it simply emerged from the data!”
 

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I believe the science of climate change and global warming is pretty solid. But I've been called a liberal or democrat/progressive on that alone.

Now, I never said I think Al Gore's carbon trading scam or whatever was the best solution, just that I believe the science....

So why is this belief treated as if reflects on my political leanings one way or another by so many others?
The Politics are inevitable. The Lefts solutions to the Problem all come with Massive New Government Powers attached, and Massive Economic interests are Involved as well. There are Millions of Scientists who would lose funding if the Idea that things were not Dire and eminent were not sold to the people. Which can and does lead to misstating, or Exaggerating of the Threat by Said Scientists.
Yes, Charles, all the scientists in the world are on the take. It is only they paid agents of the Koch brothers and others in the energy business that are honest.

Need any more tinfoil for your hats?
 

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Rockhead....why don't you tell everyone that you work a mega polluting steel mill?
You're a hypocrite. :eusa_whistle:
Because the steel mill that I work at does not fit that description at all, asshole.
Ah Yes the Evil Steal Industry that Libs Chased away to China with Regulations and Union Demands. But Liberal Policies are not the Reason Jobs are lost to over seas right folks? lol
LOL. No, didn't chase this one away to China. In fact, it is the centerpiece of our Russian owners vertically integrated metals corperation.

Even more irony, we have upgraded our environmental facilities since they purchased the mill. And our mill often produces large lots of armor plate for Isreal.
 

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Yeah, right I suppose he runs the "realclimate.org" website because he wasn't looking for a hockey stick.

Mann is a con artist. He should be in jail for committing fraud.

The main conclusion of the Hockey Stick is that the last decade of the twentieth century was probably the warmest in over a thousand years.
“The irony is that I wasn’t originally working on anthropogenic climate change but on natural climate oscillations,” says Michael Mann. “I wasn’t looking for a hockey stick; it simply emerged from the data!”

Really, Pattycake, it is unfortunate that you are so ignorant. Otherwise you might know that over a dozen studies, using data and statistal methods differant from that used by Mann have all confirmed his 'Hockey Stick'.

The Hockey Stick is Accurate « Oxford Kevin

The paper “Robustness of the Mann, Bradley, Hughes reconstruction of Northern Hemisphere surface temperatures: Examination of criticisms based on the nature and processing of proxy climate evidence” by Wahl and Ammann assesses the results of the MBH98 by using principal component analysis in the appropriate way. Wahl and Ammann also looked at the impact of removing the Bristlecone and Foxtail Pine proxy data which McIntyre and McKitrick had criticized the use of in both MBH98 and MBH99. They published the results of their work and you can see the impact that this had on the shape of the Hockey Stick in the graph below.

So McIntyre and McKitrick have also confirmed the 'Hockey Stick' graph.

Too bad that people like you are so stupid and gullible, Pattycake.
 

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I believe the science of climate change and global warming is pretty solid. But I've been called a liberal or democrat/progressive on that alone.

Now, I never said I think Al Gore's carbon trading scam or whatever was the best solution, just that I believe the science....

So why is this belief treated as if reflects on my political leanings one way or another by so many others?
The Politics are inevitable. The Lefts solutions to the Problem all come with Massive New Government Powers attached, and Massive Economic interests are Involved as well. There are Millions of Scientists who would lose funding if the Idea that things were not Dire and eminent were not sold to the people. Which can and does lead to misstating, or Exaggerating of the Threat by Said Scientists.
Yes, Charles, all the scientists in the world are on the take. It is only they paid agents of the Koch brothers and others in the energy business that are honest.

Need any more tinfoil for your hats?
I Knew It! :lol:
 

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What is hysterical is that all the nutter alarmists are anti-free market......which is the only way that REAL alternative energies can develop ( instead of this 19th century BS with solar and wind = laughable). Every single one of them is a k00k statist.:gay:

Oh the irony!!!:2up:


All these internet heros keep talking about are temperatures, carbon dioxide and glaciers........in the nether-regions of the internet. Everywhere else? Nobody gives a rats ass. ( as I have astutely pointed out earlier in this thread ). The only responses you get from the alarmist cheesedicks is just more science threads!!!


Just like the radical 99% assholes..........the environmental nutty-asses are.............

 
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And consider this:

While global warming has been a concern for many many many many many many many decades some things are for certain:

1. Never before has there been billions upon billions upon billions of humans polluting planet earth

2. Never before has there been billions upon billions of gasoline burning vehicles
spewing pollution into the atmosphere

3. Never before has there been billions of homes demanding energy from polluting sources

4. Never before has there been billions of buildings demanding energy from polluting sources

5. Never before has there been billions of polluting energy generating sources

6. Never before has there been billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions of humans supporting the clearing of the rainforest for food products not knowing the long term impact of removing massive numbers of trees and medicinal plants.

7. Never before has planet earth been expected to absorb tons and tons and tons and tons of pollution with human beings having no idea what the impact might be.

8. Never before has there been billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions of human beings believing THEIR pollution is having zero impact ....... can we say ignorance is bliss.

9. Never before has there been billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions of humans applying millions of gallons and or pounds of toxic chemicals to the landscapes.

Sloan's proposal for an electric car fee met with skepticism / LJWorld.com
ExxonMobil Report: Smoke Mirrors & Hot Air (2007)

UCS report finds that the oil company spent nearly $16 million to fund skeptic groups, create confusion

Download: ExxonMobil’s Tobacco-like Disinformation Campaign on Global Warming Science

A report from the Union of Concerned Scientists offers the most comprehensive documentation to date of how ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry's disinformation tactics, as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the issue.

According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science.

Smoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco's Tactics to "Manufacture Uncertainty" on Climate Change details how the oil company, like the tobacco industry in previous decades, has

* raised doubts about even the most indisputable scientific evidence
* funded an array of front organizations to create the appearance of a broad platform for a tight-knit group of vocal climate change contrarians who misrepresent peer-reviewed scientific findings
* attempted to portray its opposition to action as a positive quest for "sound science" rather than business self-interest
* used its access to the Bush administration to block federal policies and shape government communications on global warming

ExxonMobil Report: Smoke Mirrors & Hot Air (2007) | Union of Concerned Scientists
 

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