Why Do So Many Still Trust Government/Corporate Media?: BBC Reports WTC 7 Collapse Early...

[guyfawkestruepirate]

The answer to this question is simple there are still way to many sheeple in this world who are not awake.

yep.too many of them listen to the CIA controlled LAMESTREAM media instead of doing their own thinking.

The problem with the Truther conspiracy...is if you do your own thinking, the Truther conspiracy doesn't make the slightest sense. Its wildly complicated, virtually fact free, ludicrously and pointlessly elaborate and contradicted by overwhelming evidence.

To put it bluntly....the Truther conspiracy is just an awful, awful explanation of events.

Not even right in the slightest have you done your research on 911 Oklahoma City Bombing Paris Sandy Hook & Elliot Rodger?? those events were ether proven to be staged hoaxes or pre-planned staged events set up by the government our government killed those people on 911 & at Oklahoma City & in Paris not the people they blamed the events on also its been proven that no children died at Sandy Hook & that Elliot Rodger nor the victims did not die in the 2014 Isla Vista shooting ether there just all actors . false flags & hoaxes are real do some research & wake up.

dont waste your breath dude,him and agent sayit are just THAT,government paid shills sent here by their handlers to troll threads like this one on government corruption in hopes of derailing any truthful discussions back and forth between myself,you and the OP. I am sure you have heard this old saying before?-


they know just as well we we do that everything you said is true.

Yes i have & you are right.

 

[guyfawkestruepirate]

The answer to this question is simple there are still way to many sheeple in this world who are not awake.

yep.too many of them listen to the CIA controlled LAMESTREAM media instead of doing their own thinking.

The problem with the Truther conspiracy...is if you do your own thinking, the Truther conspiracy doesn't make the slightest sense. Its wildly complicated, virtually fact free, ludicrously and pointlessly elaborate and contradicted by overwhelming evidence.

To put it bluntly....the Truther conspiracy is just an awful, awful explanation of events.

Not even right in the slightest have you done your research on 911 Oklahoma City Bombing Paris Sandy Hook & Elliot Rodger??

Look at this thread and see if you notice the same pattern I do.

Whenever I point out the enormous, truck sized holes in the Truther Conspiracy........Truthers switch to another topic.

If their argument had merit, they wouldn't have to run to a different conspiracy every time I pointed out the holes in this one.

Indeed their game is one of CT Whac-A-Mole where "V" movie masks are considered clever Avatars and talk of "The Matrix" red and blue pills is all the rage.

They all seem to be arrogant adolescents, impressed by their Internet "knowledge" yet lacking the adult perspective to separate real facts from the CTBS they post but without the integrity to admit their CTs just don't hold up under even the slightest scrutiny.

They all however, have the instinct to duck and run when their silliness is exposed. Self-preservation I suppose..

Are you insulting anonymous?.

 

[SAYIT]

they know just as well we we do that everything you said is true.

Yes i have & you are right.

It is a well known fact that if you find yourself agreeing with anything our Village Idiot - 9/11HandJob - posts you have reached the bottom of the rabbit hole.

yep.too many of them listen to the CIA controlled LAMESTREAM media instead of doing their own thinking.

The problem with the Truther conspiracy...is if you do your own thinking, the Truther conspiracy doesn't make the slightest sense. Its wildly complicated, virtually fact free, ludicrously and pointlessly elaborate and contradicted by overwhelming evidence.

To put it bluntly....the Truther conspiracy is just an awful, awful explanation of events.

Not even right in the slightest have you done your research on 911 Oklahoma City Bombing Paris Sandy Hook & Elliot Rodger??

Look at this thread and see if you notice the same pattern I do.

Whenever I point out the enormous, truck sized holes in the Truther Conspiracy........Truthers switch to another topic.

If their argument had merit, they wouldn't have to run to a different conspiracy every time I pointed out the holes in this one.

Indeed their game is one of CT Whac-A-Mole where "V" movie masks are considered clever Avatars and talk of "The Matrix" red and blue pills is all the rage.

They all seem to be arrogant adolescents, impressed by their Internet "knowledge" yet lacking the adult perspective to separate real facts from the CTBS they post but without the integrity to admit their CTs just don't hold up under even the slightest scrutiny.

They all however, have the instinct to duck and run when their silliness is exposed. Self-preservation I suppose..

Are you insulting anonymous?.

I'm ridiculing you but like most committed (or committable) CTs, you can't see beyond your own smarmy, self-anointed (yet manifestly undeserved) sense of superiority.

With some hard work you may someday grow into an adult.

Thus far today is just not that day.

 

[Socratesrevenge]

Willful denial mainly, the reason is because people will believe the big lie but not the little ones. Also, the foundation of who they are would be shattered to watch 'new footage tower 7' on youtube.

 

[SAYIT]

Willful denial mainly, the reason is because people will believe the big lie but not the little ones. Also, the foundation of who they are would be shattered to watch 'new footage tower 7' on youtube.

You should know that the 2013 "New Footage Tower 7" was a hoax perpetrated by a normal human being with a normal sense of humor to expose the child-like gullibility of 9/11 "Truthers."

Evidently you didn't get the memo.

 

[Socratesrevenge]

Yes, 911 was indeed a hoax. Remember the anthrax attacks, which were traced to a strain (Ames) that only exists in government research labs? Indeed.

Paul Keim: "We Were Surprised It Was the Ames Strain"


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This picture shows that the windows were not even broken where the wings of the Boeing should have hit the pentagon, other photos online show closer up views of the windows being intact where the wings should have hit. The upper portion of the wall collapsed well after the fire was put out and the hole was very small - too small for a Boeing.

 

[Skylar]

Willful denial mainly, the reason is because people will believe the big lie but not the little ones. Also, the foundation of who they are would be shattered to watch 'new footage tower 7' on youtube.

Show us the 'new footage tower 7'. I suspect I've seen it. And I suspect you haven't done your research.

 

[Skylar]

Uh-huh.



And you fell for it. Hook, line and sinker.

 

[Socratesrevenge]

Willful denial mainly, the reason is because people will believe the big lie but not the little ones. Also, the foundation of who they are would be shattered to watch 'new footage tower 7' on youtube.

Show us the 'new footage tower 7'. I suspect I've seen it. And I suspect you haven't done your research.

It was already shown:




Another one to compare:

Every impartial observer knows 911 is a hoax, or, rather, those impartial students and researchers who have actually studied it. You have only proven that you are guilty of what you accuse me of, since you did not even look at the first video which was labeled 'new footage'.

Full text of "Operation Northwoods"

"REBUILDING AMERICA'S DEFENSES" – A Summary

 

[Skylar]

And you knew that the 'new WTC 7 video' that you posted was a hoax by an ex-truther who wanted to demonstrate how gullible your ilk is, right?



He even included a UFO and his a text message in the debris. But you fell for it.

No one 'impartial' would have failed to ask questions about a video that appeared out of no where with a resolution much higher than was available in 2001 that is a literal mirror of existing footage and includes audio that no other video ever recorded. I certainly asked. Sayit asked.

But you never did.

If you were genuinely interested in truth, if you were genuinely impartial, you would have caught it in seconds. But you didn't.

 

[Socratesrevenge]

Skylar, you can compare the windows blowing out in the 'new footage' video with other videos such as this one, to see that the same windows were blown out in various video images of Tower 7 when it collapsed, I trust the evidence more than some anonymous person claiming to create a graphic that matches the other videos from other angles:



I am not trying to convince you. I know you don't want to admit the obvious truths which were pointed out in my previous posts. You don't want to admit that your rulers would do such a thing or you have some other vested interest. The more important question for you is: why do you deny the obvious truth? This is a rhetorical question for you, I am not interested in your answer.

Also, for your information, I saw that 'new footage' video many years ago, before it was removed from youtube and then it was reposted years later by other people who must have copied it from youtube at the time. It was not posted by the person claiming to have invented it with sophisticated film and computer tools which would be necessary to try and invent such a thing, and it matches the other videos with their vantage points, with the windows being blown out from other angles and further away.

The reason I know that part of the story behind the 'new footage' video, unlike you, is because I posted it to many popular forums at the time it was made available, many years ago, and it started going viral, this must have bothered the person who posted it and they made the video private, or maybe they received threatening messages from authorities or people who falsely posed as such. So much for your false claims about me and my alleged ignorance. You picked the wrong person to falsely accuse. False accusations are punishable by the universal law of karma, be aware.

 

[Skylar]

Skylar, you can compare the windows blowing out in the 'new footage' video with other videos such as this one, to see that the same windows were blown out in various video images of Tower 7 when it collapsed, I trust the evidence more than some anonymous person claiming to create a graphic that matches the other videos from other angles:

Save of course that the 'new footage' is a reverse of the original footage. WIth the penthouse on the opposite side. And the 'explosions' added by Edward Current being beneath the penthouse. While you are claiming that the explosions were on the opposite side of the building from the penthouse.

The 'new footage' is exactly opposite of your claims. And you completely fell for the hoax. Why? Because you wanted to be deceived. You don't ask questions of your conspiracy despite a legion of truck sized holes.

For example.....you know the FDNY had been watching WTC 7 for hours, put a transit on the building and measured its leaning, its buckling, its slow structural failure as it burned.....and the FDNY had anticipated the WTC 7's collapse hours earlier, right?

That the FDNY had evacuated the area in anticipation of the collapse due to structural failure?

If so, why didn't you mention this amazingly relevant detail to us in your 'impartial' perspective on the WTC 7? Why does your perspective mandate the withholding of huge, amazingly relevant details like this?

 

[Socratesrevenge]

Skylar, don't waste your breath. Everyone can see the windows being blown out when Tower 7 collapsed. We can see with our own eyes what happened. There are different levels of knowledge and how we know what is true, in epistemology. The knowledge based on evidence is more certain and sure, than knowledge based on someone's say-so. People can lie, evidence does not lie. The physical evidence that we can see does not match the story we were told that a single column collapsed from heat and caused a chain reaction. If this were true we would not see the windows being blown out with charges.

I never claimed anything about sides. If you actually bother watching all of the videos of Tower 7 collapsing you will see the windows were blown out on both sides at the same time. I am not interested in conversing about this with you, because you blindly believe something that contradicts the evidence, in favor of 'spin propaganda'.

That the fire department expected a collapse does not prove anything. The fire department was ordered out of the building prior to its collapse, this could easily be explained because the people who ordered the removal would have known the charges were going to bring it down beforehand. That is why it is irrelevant what the fire department did. This is the second time you have falsely accused me, I will put you on ignore if you continue falsely accusing me, which is another way to state: you are lying by falsely accusing.

We are supposed to believe they found the passport of a hijacker; that passport would have had to survive the explosion of the plane crash into one of the twin towers. On the other hand, we are supposed to believe the black boxes which are designed to survive these type of explosions, were destroyed and never recovered. The authorities treat adults like children. This is a narrative only a small child could believe.

A couple of firsts: First time in history steel skyscrapers collapsed from fire. First time in history the black boxes did not survive. This is a fairy tale for small children. Go insult someone else's intelligence.

 

[Skylar]

Skylar, don't waste your breath. Everyone can see the windows being blown out when Tower 7 collapsed.

One small problem, Socrates: What you claim were 'explosives' appeared AFTER the building had already begun to fall. While in actual controlled demolition, the explosives fire BEFORE the building begins to fall. See, cause precedes effect. In your awful, awful explanation, cause follows effect. Which isn't how it works, is it?

So what can you do when your explanation breaks? Why show us 'new WTC 7 footage' where the 'explosions' appear before the collapse, of course. 'New footage' that you know was a hoax, that you know had been fraudulently created.

If your claims had merit, you wouldn't have to use faked evidence to support it. Though I am curious....where your faked footage play in your conception of 'epistemology'?

I never claimed anything about sides. If you actually bother watching all of the videos of Tower 7 collapsing you will see the windows were blown out on both sides at the same time. I am not interested in conversing about this with you, because you blindly believe something that contradicts the evidence, in favor of 'spin propaganda'.

You claimed the fake footage matched other views. In reality, your faked footage is exactly opposite of the other views. With the 'explosions' on the opposite side of the other footage. With the 'explosions' coming before the collapse in the faked footage. And what you call 'explosives' appearing AFTER the collapse had initiated in the other views.

And of course, actual explosions are ridiculously, deafeningly loud. Where the WTC 7 collapse began in virtual silence. Worse still, the building was on fire. And no system of explosives works while on fire. Explosives would have exploded, detonators detonated, receivers reduced to bubbling pools of plastic. And of course there were no girders cut in a manner consistent with explosive demolition. Despite your theory requiring thousands of them.

So fire proof, silent explosives that don't actually cut girders? Laughing.........the Truther conspiracy is just stupid.

That the fire department expected a collapse does not prove anything.

Blithering nonsense. Its direct evidence contradicting your batshit conspiracy. The FDNY watched as the building burned. They put a transit on the building and over the course of hours measured its leaning. Its buckling. Its slow structural failure. And the FDNY determined that the building was going to collapse due to *structural failure*. And correctly estimated its collapse to within about an hour.

No explosives required.

But you ignore the FDNY and make up a stupidly elaborate, batshit conspiracy witnessed by *no one*, backed by nothing, where somehow in a building engulfed in flame, fireproof ninjas (apparently, as no one saw them and they didn't burn up) snuck past the containment line of the FDNY and into the building and wired to explode with SILENT explosives (a physical impossibility, FYI) that didn't cut a single girder and left no explosive residue in any dust sample.....where the fireproof ninjas then snuck out and past the FDNY yet again.

Laughing....that's fucking stupid. Its fact free, wildly complicated, pointlessly elaborate, and contradicted by overwhelming evidence. While the building collapsing due to structural failure because of the fire matches the assessment of the FDNY on the scene and the NIST investigation after.

Occam's Razor, my friend. It cuts your hapless conspiracy batshit to ribbons.