Why do Republicans want to kill the Healthcare Exchanges

[rightwinger]

Short answer TC:

ITS KILLING OUR ECONOMY

How does setting up an insurance exchange kill our economy?

They are more efficient than a bunch of individuals looking for private insurance

The cost of Obamacare to business will result in job loss. The mandates will result in much higher premiums for those who don't want to change their insurance company. That takes money out of their pockets that would be put into the economy.
Our employer provided premiums will triple. It's already been announced.
The company is telling us to go to the exchange.....Because it's so expensive, we are being forced to Obamacare. Our level of coverage will be substandard.
Tell me where you see justice in that?

I asked about Insurance Exchanges

Please stay on topic

 

[RKMBrown]

So it is a Ponzi Scheme.

No. It's a socialism scheme.

 

[RKMBrown]

How does setting up an insurance exchange kill our economy?

They are more efficient than a bunch of individuals looking for private insurance

The cost of Obamacare to business will result in job loss. The mandates will result in much higher premiums for those who don't want to change their insurance company. That takes money out of their pockets that would be put into the economy.
Our employer provided premiums will triple. It's already been announced.
The company is telling us to go to the exchange.....Because it's so expensive, we are being forced to Obamacare. Our level of coverage will be substandard.
Tell me where you see justice in that?

I asked about Insurance Exchanges

Please stay on topic

That is the Obama exchanges... It's nothing more than a vile socialist vacum sucking up the money, jobs, and health care of hard working Americans. American workers are loosing their pay checks, loosing their health care, so that other Americans with less income can get insurance that they in the past decided they don't need, and to pay for elective surgeries, and abortions, and other pre-existing conditions that the people joining up want us to pay for.

 

[Politico]

Ponzi socialist all the same.

 

[kaz]

Ponzi socialist all the same.

Margaret Thatcher: The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money to spend

 

[bendog]

They will help people who need insurace, they are popular with the people....why are Republicans so intent on blocking peoples access to exchanges?

As RKM Brown and Politico posts illustrate, the current gop position is that there can be no use of taxes to help the less advantaged purchase insurance via insurance exchanges. The ideology is that it will bankrupt the nation and/or it is an impermissible (why I don't know) use of wealth redistribution.

However, the overall idea is consistent with mainstream gop positons .... at least pre TPM

10 Steps to Transform Health Care - Issue Statements - United States Senator Mike Enzi

Here's the one that got Mike Lee and the TP to kick Bennett out of the senate

Healthy Americans Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's coburn's
Dr. Coburn, colleagues introduce "Every American Insured Health Act" - Press Releases - Tom Coburn, M.D., United States Senator from Oklahoma

Seriously? The Republicans Have No Health Plan? - Forbes

 

[kaz]

As RKM Brown and Politico posts illustrate, the current gop position is that there can be no use of taxes to help the less advantaged purchase insurance via insurance exchanges. The ideology is that it will bankrupt the nation and/or it is an impermissible (why I don't know) use of wealth redistribution.

However, the overall idea is consistent with mainstream gop positons .... at least pre TPM

Hence, the TPM! Bam!

 

[healthmyths]

They will help people who need insurace, they are popular with the people....why are Republicans so intent on blocking peoples access to exchanges?

BECAUSE 99% of the people already have coverage!
46 million is the bogus number that is comprised of:
18 million people under 34, make over $50k and don't WANT and NEED health insurance! SO Why force them to buy it?
Don't believe me?? CHECK THESE FACTS:18 million Source: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

14 million don't know they already qualify for Medicaid and all they need do is REGISTER... So subtract that 14 million!
14 million SOURCE: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

Finally 10 million are NOT citizens! Why should they be covered???
10 million SOURCE: US Census Bureau

That means 42 million don't want, don't know and aren't allowed: leaves 4 million!

NOW A simple solution...

TAX lawyers' $270 billion a year because they cause $850 billion in defensive medicine costs as 90% of physicians say they send duplicate tests,etc. all out of fear of lawsuits!
Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

Take the 10% or $27 billion and pay the premiums for the 4 million!
THAT's IT... Solves the problem we ALL that WANT insurance can HAVE insurance!

How complicated is that??? Certainly NOT as a gigantic cluster...K that this ACA has become!

PLEASE I"m asking YOU PROVE ME WRONG!!!
PROVE THESE LINKS ARE WRONG!!!

 

[Politico]

Impermissible? Never said that. Instantly raising the bills of 30 million people who have no money overnight by 100%. Aww hell let's call it what it is. Raising taxes for welfare. Yeah I have a probelm with that.

BECAUSE 99% of the people already have coverage!

Rmfoal! Comedy gold!

 

[bendog]

As RKM Brown and Politico posts illustrate, the current gop position is that there can be no use of taxes to help the less advantaged purchase insurance via insurance exchanges. The ideology is that it will bankrupt the nation and/or it is an impermissible (why I don't know) use of wealth redistribution.

However, the overall idea is consistent with mainstream gop positons .... at least pre TPM

Hence, the TPM! Bam!

Sure, no argument. The TPM flipped the gop on using tax money to subsidize purchasing private insurance on exchanges. That's why the TPM cannot put up bills AMENDING obamacare, they have to shut down govt or prevent the exchanges from working. It's not about the problems of obamacare, it's about keeping the fed govt out of influencing HC markets ... of course its too late for that, but the TMP likes to whistle dixie in the dark

 

[kaz]

The TPM used that people were sick of government spending us into the ground

 

[Avatar4321]

They will help people who need insurace, they are popular with the people....why are Republicans so intent on blocking peoples access to exchanges?

Popular with the people? What people are you talking about? The American people never wanted this bill and the more it gets implimented the less they want it.

No one needs insurance. People have survived for most of human history without insurance. It's a luxary.

And even if someone did need insurance, absolutely no one has ever stopped a person from obtaining insurance.

We've had the best health care system in the world for the last century and we were the best without any such exchanges. But yet somehow something that has absolutely no impact on making us the greatest in the world is somehow vitally necessary.

What the heck is wrong with you arrogant fools? This nation is falling to pieces because of your actions and somehow we are supposed to be happy with that.

Instead you want to rob men of their labor by forcing them to purchase insurance whether they want it or not. You want to make health care free when health care is provided by the labor of others. You seem to think you are entitled to someone elses labor and if they wont give it to you, you are entitled to force them to.

We fought a Civil war to eliminate the idea that we are entitled to someone elses labor. It may be outlawed by the Constitution but you are all slaves.

 

[kaz]

They will help people who need insurace, they are popular with the people....why are Republicans so intent on blocking peoples access to exchanges?

Popular with the people? What people are you talking about?

He's talking about the people who want handouts and will get insurance paid for with "tax credits."

 

[bendog]

They will help people who need insurace, they are popular with the people....why are Republicans so intent on blocking peoples access to exchanges?

Popular with the people? What people are you talking about?

He's talking about the people who want handouts and will get insurance paid for with "tax credits."

Yes tax credits for private insurance is socialism. We need to get rid of medicaid for people who catch cancer and either have no health insurance or who get kicked off their plan for exceeding max benefits. Back to the good old days ...

 

[kaz]

Popular with the people? What people are you talking about?

He's talking about the people who want handouts and will get insurance paid for with "tax credits."

Yes tax credits for private insurance is socialism. We need to get rid of medicaid for people who catch cancer and either have no health insurance or who get kicked off their plan for exceeding max benefits. Back to the good old days ...

Yes, the old liberal, if someone opposes the Federal government doing something, then we are against anyone doing it. Gotcha.

So seriously, the Federal government is the only solution to charity you can think of?

 

[candycorn]

They will help people who need insurace, they are popular with the people....why are Republicans so intent on blocking peoples access to exchanges?

No one needs insurance. People have survived for most of human history without insurance. It's a luxary.

Dude must be high.

And even if someone did need insurance, absolutely no one has ever stopped a person from obtaining insurance.

No one has ever been denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions? Really?

We fought a Civil war to eliminate the idea that we are entitled to someone elses labor. It may be outlawed by the Constitution but you are all slaves.

This comic relief brought to you by Avatar....

 

[Politico]

They will help people who need insurace, they are popular with the people....why are Republicans so intent on blocking peoples access to exchanges?

Popular with the people? What people are you talking about?

He's talking about the people who want handouts and will get insurance paid for with "tax credits."

He's talking about the people who who will get "tax credits." and still owe money they don't have on top of it.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[kaz]

They will help people who need insurace, they are popular with the people....why are Republicans so intent on blocking peoples access to exchanges?

No one needs insurance. People have survived for most of human history without insurance. It's a luxary.

Dude must be high.

Do you mean "Dude Look Like A Lady?" I don't know the Dude must be high one, is that by Aerosmith too?

The problem actually is that our health care system is completely backwards. Insurance companies provide "health care" and they should provide "health insurance." That's why it's drowning in cost.

I had a catastrophic policy. Which Obamacare made illegal unless you are under 30. My rates are going from $410 a year (wife, two daughters and me) to $1,066 a year. I hope Obama rots in hell, and John Roberts is his roommate.

BTW, that we can keep our policy if we like it turned out to be a lie.

 

[bendog]

He's talking about the people who want handouts and will get insurance paid for with "tax credits."

Yes tax credits for private insurance is socialism. We need to get rid of medicaid for people who catch cancer and either have no health insurance or who get kicked off their plan for exceeding max benefits. Back to the good old days ...

Yes, the old liberal, if someone opposes the Federal government doing something, then we are against anyone doing it. Gotcha.

So seriously, the Federal government is the only solution to charity you can think of?

In my opinion you are opposed to using tax credits for uninsured people to purchase private care. The only other option is to expand medicaid, which to me is much worse. If you have some other plan, I don't think it would be workable, and to my knowledge you haven't stated it.

the facts are that Coburn and Barrasso, the two gop md senators, have long supported tax credits and subsidizing insurance for people with pre-existing conditions. To the the TPM they seem now to be RINOs.

Good luck selling that in a natl election. It ain't even working to good for Ms. Cheney in Wyo right now.

 

[kaz]

Yes tax credits for private insurance is socialism. We need to get rid of medicaid for people who catch cancer and either have no health insurance or who get kicked off their plan for exceeding max benefits. Back to the good old days ...

Yes, the old liberal, if someone opposes the Federal government doing something, then we are against anyone doing it. Gotcha.

So seriously, the Federal government is the only solution to charity you can think of?

In my opinion you are opposed to using tax credits for uninsured people to purchase private care. The only other option is to expand medicaid, which to me is much worse. If you have some other plan, I don't think it would be workable, and to my knowledge you haven't stated it.

the facts are that Coburn and Barrasso, the two gop md senators, have long supported tax credits and subsidizing insurance for people with pre-existing conditions. To the the TPM they seem now to be RINOs.

Good luck selling that in a natl election. It ain't even working to good for Ms. Cheney in Wyo right now.

only the leftists in this country would come up with even using tax collection to redistribute wealth. in the end, every program is a welfare program. here's an idea, we use taxes to ... fund the government ... too radical for you?