Why did Trump lose?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yeah, funny how everyone else did better when he was in charge and you did worse.

Everyone else? You have to be kidding me. All the places that idiot closed down, all the institutions he attacked, the millions of us who lost our employer healthcare coverage. My lord you live in your own world, don't you.

Holy shit, that didn't just come out of your mouth, did it?

It came out of my keyboard. I can't give you the flu if I don't have the flu. I can't give you a cold if I don't have a cold. You can't give anybody Covid if you don't have Covid.

 

[JoeB131]

It came out of my keyboard. I can't give you the flu if I don't have the flu. I can't give you a cold if I don't have a cold. You can't give anybody Covid if you don't have Covid.

Except we've already established people can be asymptomatic carriers.... You don't show any symptoms but you can pass it to others.

 

[Dr Grump]

I have noted that opinions differ and solicit your speculations.

Which of the following, if any, approximate what you suspect is the major reason:

1. The election merely reflected his having lost the popular vote in 2016 and the public sentiment remaining consistent, as he was relentlessly unpopular in survey after survey throughout his tenure.
2. He repeatedly scoffed at and minimized the threat posed by a pandemic that resulted in over 20 million infections, over 350,000 deaths, and the strain on dedicated healthcare providers to the breaking point.
3. He was the victim of a vast, very mysterious conspiracy in which Republican governors, Republican secretaries of state, Republican attorneys general, Republican county clerks, and Republican judges throughout the land were decisively complicit.
4. He was beaten by a sleepy, senile, corrupt Chinese sock puppet whom the American electorate deemed to be decidedly superior.

I hope all who entertain theories will share their analyses while refraining from vituperation, revilement, and diversionary ploys.

Civil, dispassionate discussion and sprightly discourse concerning causative factors, one might hope, ensue.

Definitely 1 and 2

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Except we've already established people can be asymptomatic carriers.... You don't show any symptoms but you can pass it to others.

That's not what you said. Asymptomatic people still have Covid. While studies are relatively new on that subject, what we know now is that asymptomatic people are far, far less contagious than people who are not asymptomatic.

 

[Flopper]

Trump has endorsed mask wearing, refused to wear mask, endorsed guidelines for social distancing and avoiding large crowds and allowed violations in rallies and pollical gathering he sponsored. He has downplayed the virus comparing it to the Flu, endorsed treatments that his own FDA would not allow. In short, one of the major factors in our poor performance in slowing the spread of the virus is the president's lack of support, lack of interest, and lack of knowledge. Our battle against coronavirus has been like fighting a war with our leadership refusing to lead. He washed his hands of any responsibility leaving it to states to make all decision because he had an election to win. Telling the voters he supported governors decisions to close schools and business was not what voters wanted to hear so he constantly criticized state and local leaders decisions which made it harder for them to do their job. We would have been a hell of a lot better off had Trump taken a 9 months leave of absence last March to campaign and left it all with Pence. At least Pence would do no harm.

Trump didn't do any harm either. Trying to blame a President for the spread of a worldwide virus reminds me of when you people tried to blame Bush for hurricanes and tornadoes. You have no idea how silly that sounds. People don't do what the President says, people make their own decisions. Yes, Trump left it up to states to run their state. Why do you see a problem with that when that's the way our founders actually setup this country? What we have today is the exact opposite of that they created.

We can make a huge difference in the death and destruction done by an air borne epidemic. In an epidemic such as coronavirus the damage it causes can be limited by blocking the transmission of the virus with barriers such as masks or distance. Both of these methods are detrimental to economic activity. Managing an epidemic means making decisions about the balance between the need for economic activity and the need to block virus transmission. The virus is a nationwide problem, not a state problem. Just as it would make no sense to make each state responsible for a war against the nation, it makes no sense for the states to manage an epidemic that is attacking the nation. The federal government must lead in fighting a nationwide airborne epidemic just as in fighting a war and coordinate activities with and between states.

The US was best prepared nation in the world to fight the virus yet it has had one of the worst if not the worst response of any nation. A big part of that failure is due to the failure of the central government to manage the epidemic and shifting that responsibility to the states and local communities who have far less resources and expertise in epidemic management. The CDC, the premier disease and epidemic control agency in the world was relegated to creating guidelines and counting bodies during most of the epidemic because they lost favor with Trump.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We can make a huge difference in the death and destruction done by an air borne epidemic. In an epidemic such as coronavirus the damage it causes can be limited by blocking the transmission of the virus with barriers such as masks or distance. Both of these methods are detrimental to economic activity. Managing an epidemic means making decisions about the balance between the need for economic activity and the need to block virus transmission. The virus is a nationwide problem, not a state problem. Just as it would make no sense to make each state responsible for a war against the nation, it makes no sense for the states to manage an epidemic that is attacking the nation. The federal government must lead in fighting a nationwide airborne epidemic just as in fighting a war and coordinate activities with and between states.

The US was best prepared nation in the world to fight the virus yet it has had one of the worst if not the worst response of any nation. A big part of that failure is due to the failure of the central government to manage the epidemic and shifting that responsibility to the states and local communities who have far less resources and expertise in epidemic management. The CDC, the premier disease and epidemic control agency in the world was relegated to creating guidelines and counting bodies during most of the epidemic because they lost favor with Trump.

The United States is a country protected by the US Constitution. The Constitution was written so the federal government has limited authority while the state has much more authority. Under the Declaration or Independence, we are provided with the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness regardless of recessions, attacks on our country, or even a virus.

Next there is no guarantee that masks or distancing have any effect on the spread of this virus. You can look at cities and states that have draconian measures and those who are more lax on it, and find the mask mandates and distancing are not doing that much better than anybody else. The virus is not a nationwide or state problem, it's a worldwide problem. The US is not the worst in this pandemic. In fact we rank 8th in measuring deaths per capita, and our death rates are highly inaccurate. Yet outside of China, the US had the least GDP loss than all other G7 nations, and that's only if you trust reporting from Communist China.

Bottom line is our President is not responsible for a virus. He's done nearly everything within his authority to protect us, including buying the first 100 million doses of Moderna vaccines, with a rider of an additional 500 million if needed because he put our people first.

TIMELINE: The Trump Administration’s Decisive Actions To Combat the Coronavirus

The Trump Administration took critical action early on to combat the coronavirus and keep Americans safe.

www.donaldjtrump.com

 

[zaangalewa]

...

You say: "If you want representation for non-Americans, vote Democrat. If you want representation for Americans, vote Republican."

I am a German - but let me say: I fear this simplifying view to your own world is meanwhile damned dangerous. Too many republicans in the USA are not republicans any longer and try to undermine the constitution of the USA and replace the spirit of the USA with loyalite to the absolutistic emperor Pharao Donald Trump 1st.

I warn everyone not to support Donald Trump any longer. This man will become a tyrant and dictator and for the USA his politics is damned insane - and I'm sure it will come much more worse, than most US-Americans are able to imagine, if Donald Trump will be able to overtake the power in the USA with a perversion of justice and/or a military coup.

 

[zaangalewa]

... Bottom line is our President is not responsible for a virus. ...

He surrendered and did not fight against this virus. Instead he preferred to attack US-Americans, who liked to fight with harsh methods against this virus. He destroyed the logic of the sane common sense that no US-American likes to die or likes to let die. Instead to produce solidarity and brotherhood between all US-Americans (and to make the USA really to a great nation in this way) he splited, splits, splits and will split ... "divide et impera" (divide and rule) is his only interest. Everyone has to be a weak slave, so he is able to be a strong ruler. The problem: People who press others into dirt and stand on them are not great - they are dirt on their own.

 

[zaangalewa]

... I think you're full of shit.

Dwarf, don't try to repeat such an "argument" in reality to Massai or Germans, if you don't like to be crushed and boiled.

 

[alpine]

I have noted that opinions differ and solicit your speculations.

Which of the following, if any, approximate what you suspect is the major reason:

1. The election merely reflected his having lost the popular vote in 2016 and the public sentiment remaining consistent, as he was relentlessly unpopular in survey after survey throughout his tenure.
2. He repeatedly scoffed at and minimized the threat posed by a pandemic that resulted in over 20 million infections, over 350,000 deaths, and the strain on dedicated healthcare providers to the breaking point.
3. He was the victim of a vast, very mysterious conspiracy in which Republican governors, Republican secretaries of state, Republican attorneys general, Republican county clerks, and Republican judges throughout the land were decisively complicit.
4. He was beaten by a sleepy, senile, corrupt Chinese sock puppet whom the American electorate deemed to be decidedly superior.

I hope all who entertain theories will share their analyses while refraining from vituperation, revilement, and diversionary ploys.

Civil, dispassionate discussion and sprightly discourse concerning causative factors, one might hope, ensue.

Several factors, but his pathetic behavior over the virus sealed his fate.

He could have tried to be an effective leader in a crisis, but chose instead to act like a talk radio host.

Can't wait till Biden's 3 month lockdown and the depression to follow.

You are wrong.
The stock market is going to go up a lot because of the secular bullish trends in the global economy.

AI, 5G, Cloud, Cybersecurity, E commerce, Digital Advertising, Green energy, EVs, Telehealth, Augmented reality, Social Media, Blockchain, Gene editing, Gene sequencing, and so much more is going to power the economy to new highs. The market is going up a lot more.
We are in a mini tech revolution like in 1995.

AI, 5G, Cloud, Cybersecurity, E commerce, Digital Advertising, Green energy, EVs, Telehealth, Augmented reality, Social Media, Blockchain, Gene editing, Gene sequencing...

dont forget the cannabis biz...

 

[alpine]

We can make a huge difference in the death and destruction done by an air borne epidemic. In an epidemic such as coronavirus the damage it causes can be limited by blocking the transmission of the virus with barriers such as masks or distance. Both of these methods are detrimental to economic activity. Managing an epidemic means making decisions about the balance between the need for economic activity and the need to block virus transmission. The virus is a nationwide problem, not a state problem. Just as it would make no sense to make each state responsible for a war against the nation, it makes no sense for the states to manage an epidemic that is attacking the nation. The federal government must lead in fighting a nationwide airborne epidemic just as in fighting a war and coordinate activities with and between states.

The US was best prepared nation in the world to fight the virus yet it has had one of the worst if not the worst response of any nation. A big part of that failure is due to the failure of the central government to manage the epidemic and shifting that responsibility to the states and local communities who have far less resources and expertise in epidemic management. The CDC, the premier disease and epidemic control agency in the world was relegated to creating guidelines and counting bodies during most of the epidemic because they lost favor with Trump.

The United States is a country protected by the US Constitution. The Constitution was written so the federal government has limited authority while the state has much more authority. Under the Declaration or Independence, we are provided with the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness regardless of recessions, attacks on our country, or even a virus.

Next there is no guarantee that masks or distancing have any effect on the spread of this virus. You can look at cities and states that have draconian measures and those who are more lax on it, and find the mask mandates and distancing are not doing that much better than anybody else. The virus is not a nationwide or state problem, it's a worldwide problem. The US is not the worst in this pandemic. In fact we rank 8th in measuring deaths per capita, and our death rates are highly inaccurate. Yet outside of China, the US had the least GDP loss than all other G7 nations, and that's only if you trust reporting from Communist China.

Bottom line is our President is not responsible for a virus. He's done nearly everything within his authority to protect us, including buying the first 100 million doses of Moderna vaccines, with a rider of an additional 500 million if needed because he put our people first.

TIMELINE: The Trump Administration’s Decisive Actions To Combat the Coronavirus

The Trump Administration took critical action early on to combat the coronavirus and keep Americans safe.

www.donaldjtrump.com

Next there is no guarantee that masks or distancing have any effect on the spread of this virus.

yes there is...
even a first grader can understand that...
hence they try to keep their masks on and try to practice social distancing when they are at school...

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I have noted that opinions differ and solicit your speculations.

Which of the following, if any, approximate what you suspect is the major reason:

1. The election merely reflected his having lost the popular vote in 2016 and the public sentiment remaining consistent, as he was relentlessly unpopular in survey after survey throughout his tenure.
2. He repeatedly scoffed at and minimized the threat posed by a pandemic that resulted in over 20 million infections, over 350,000 deaths, and the strain on dedicated healthcare providers to the breaking point.
3. He was the victim of a vast, very mysterious conspiracy in which Republican governors, Republican secretaries of state, Republican attorneys general, Republican county clerks, and Republican judges throughout the land were decisively complicit.
4. He was beaten by a sleepy, senile, corrupt Chinese sock puppet whom the American electorate deemed to be decidedly superior.

I hope all who entertain theories will share their analyses while refraining from vituperation, revilement, and diversionary ploys.

Civil, dispassionate discussion and sprightly discourse concerning causative factors, one might hope, ensue.

He lost because he's not nearly as charming as he imagines himself to be.

In other words, he failed to get enough votes to win.

 

[zaangalewa]

We can make a huge difference in the death and destruction done by an air borne epidemic. In an epidemic such as coronavirus the damage it causes can be limited by blocking the transmission of the virus with barriers such as masks or distance. Both of these methods are detrimental to economic activity. Managing an epidemic means making decisions about the balance between the need for economic activity and the need to block virus transmission. The virus is a nationwide problem, not a state problem. Just as it would make no sense to make each state responsible for a war against the nation, it makes no sense for the states to manage an epidemic that is attacking the nation. The federal government must lead in fighting a nationwide airborne epidemic just as in fighting a war and coordinate activities with and between states.

The US was best prepared nation in the world to fight the virus yet it has had one of the worst if not the worst response of any nation. A big part of that failure is due to the failure of the central government to manage the epidemic and shifting that responsibility to the states and local communities who have far less resources and expertise in epidemic management. The CDC, the premier disease and epidemic control agency in the world was relegated to creating guidelines and counting bodies during most of the epidemic because they lost favor with Trump.

The United States is a country protected by the US Constitution. The Constitution was written so the federal government has limited authority while the state has much more authority. Under the Declaration or Independence, we are provided with the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness regardless of recessions, attacks on our country, or even a virus.

Next there is no guarantee that masks or distancing have any effect on the spread of this virus. You can look at cities and states that have draconian measures and those who are more lax on it, and find the mask mandates and distancing are not doing that much better than anybody else. The virus is not a nationwide or state problem, it's a worldwide problem. The US is not the worst in this pandemic. In fact we rank 8th in measuring deaths per capita, and our death rates are highly inaccurate. Yet outside of China, the US had the least GDP loss than all other G7 nations, and that's only if you trust reporting from Communist China.

Bottom line is our President is not responsible for a virus. He's done nearly everything within his authority to protect us, including buying the first 100 million doses of Moderna vaccines, with a rider of an additional 500 million if needed because he put our people first.

TIMELINE: The Trump Administration’s Decisive Actions To Combat the Coronavirus

The Trump Administration took critical action early on to combat the coronavirus and keep Americans safe.

www.donaldjtrump.com

Next there is no guarantee that masks or distancing have any effect on the spread of this virus.

yes there is...
even a first grader can understand that...
hence they try to keep their masks on and try to practice social distancing when they are at school...

A little philosophical comment to all the stupidities you are discussing about. "Not to use a mask" is the same argument as "to climb on a tree", because "to climb on a tree" is an element of the set "not to use a mask". Everyone knows that "to climb on a tree" and some other trillions of elements of the set "not to use a mask" will help nothing in the fight against Corona. All this arguments are nothing else than empty scrap. And specially Donald Trump seems to love it very much to sell empty scrap like gold.



By the way: Happy Christmas to all orthodox Christians.

 

[cwise76]

He also said this on February 10th, the night before the NH primary.

This is why he lost: this ******* schmuck right here, spouting off endless bullshit......

 

[JoeB131]

That's not what you said. Asymptomatic people still have Covid. While studies are relatively new on that subject, what we know now is that asymptomatic people are far, far less contagious than people who are not asymptomatic.

Wow... it's amazing the handstands of logic you will go to pretending Trump didn't **** this up.

Sticking 30 kids in a classroom for 6 hours a day... probably the fastest way to spread Covid.

 

[schmidlap]

...In other words, he failed to get enough votes to win.

Given that Cry Baby Loser had been consistently unpopular in poll after poll ever since he was assigned 2.9 million fewer votes than his opponent in 2016, it's difficult to understand how some slow people become hysterical when the entirely expected happens and pastt is prelude.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

yes there is...
even a first grader can understand that...
hence they try to keep their masks on and try to practice social distancing when they are at school...

Then why don't the results support it? Hey, I wear a mask anytime in public because of my comorbidity. I sanitize my hands before I get out of my car, sanitize my hands first thing getting back into my car, and sanitize my hands while shopping in stores that have sanitizer stands. So I'm not anti-anything. But I also believe people have the right to take precautions as they deem necessary.

In a year or so, they might find out masks were the worst thing we could have done, just like later on, the CDC came out and said lock downs were a terrible idea. It's all experimental to us at this point. After all, when this first hit the US, the CDC told us masks were useless in this fight against Covid. They changed their opinion later on.

As far as kids go, what I read is that children are unlikely to catch Covid because their cells didn't develop the hook in which Covid attaches to. Don't quote me on that because like most if not all here, I'm a layman on the subject and try to understand as much as I can. But children don't all mature the same way at the same time, so yes, some children do develop these cells with a hook at a younger age, but they are very few that do. As teens get into high school, more and more kids develop those cells the older they get, but again, most do not.

Fauci said authorities should 'close the bars and keep the schools open' to cut down on coronavirus infection spread

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, said schools haven't been the major driver of community spread of the coronavirus.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You say: "If you want representation for non-Americans, vote Democrat. If you want representation for Americans, vote Republican."

I am a German - but let me say: I fear this simplifying view to your own world is meanwhile damned dangerous. Too many republicans in the USA are not republicans any longer and try to undermine the constitution of the USA and replace the spirit of the USA with loyalite to the absolutistic emperor Pharao Donald Trump 1st.

I believe your understanding of our politics is as bad as your English translation program. Conservatives are the pro-constitution group of our party. It's the Democrats who fight against the Constitution. If Democrats had their way, they'd remove all religion out of society, remove free speech, remove the right to own and carry a firearm.

As to my signature, it's 100% truth. Democrats place illegals and foreigners as a priority over American citizens. They fought against the border wall, they stopped Kate's law (A law that would have imprisoned deported felons for five years who returned to the United States) they give illegals drivers licenses, forbid their police from contacting ICE when they have a criminal illegal in their custody, warn illegals and businesses when ICE plans to do workplace raids, and usher in illegals who take American jobs when Americans need them, which keeps American wages down because these people come here and work for nothing.

What you people don't understand about our country is everything is politics here. The long game plan is Democrats want to flood our country with foreigners so they can have unchallenged power. Once they obtain that power, we will quickly move to Socialism, and eventually Communism.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Two words.....ELECTION FRAUD.

 

[schmidlap]

But I also believe people have the right to take precautions as they deem necessary.

They do not have the right to endanger others through their recklessness. Wearing a mask in public and social distancing are hardly onerous precautions against spreading a deadly disease.

In a year or so, they might find out masks were the worst thing we could have done, just like later on, the CDC came out and said lock downs were a terrible idea.

In a year or so, they might find out that masks were the most effective preventative measure that could have been taken, but science evolves and progresses as it accrues and analyzes more data, and the best we have at present is what we must go with. At any stage, public health professionals and epidemiologists are far more likely to have a better grasp of the issue than a failed casino operator or faded reality-tv performer.

It's all experimental to us at this point. After all, when this first hit the US, the CDC told us masks were useless in this fight against Covid. They changed their opinion later on.

Yes, as noted, knowledge is good, and the more a transmissible disease can be studied, the more we know.