Why can't Trump and Sanders go Rogue.

[Boss]

Yes and it is everyone's fault the state of the country is in that votes for either Dem or GOP. Accept YOUR mistakes. YOU are the problem.

Well, but Dem and GOP are the two parties in our two party system. If you're not voting people into one of the two parties your voting is wasted. Meanwhile, as you waste your vote, the fanatics and ideologues are given more clout and power in what would've been your party but you abandoned it. You don't see Conservatives out there trying to form a third party because they understand the path to victory is through the GOP.

You think the system is broken but the problem is, if all you people moping around about the broken system would get politically involved in shaping one of the two parties, you could change the whole game. Why does that seem harder to do than becoming an anarchist?

 

[imawhosure]

The two party system was acceptable when both sides at least cared for Americans whether they were GOP or Dem. Now each side only cares about implementing THEIR policies and staying elected the other side be damned. The last two decades has exemplified that.

Here is the deal... WE elect the parties! US... The People who VOTE!

If you do not like that your party isn't working with the other side, you have to elect more moderates who will work with the other side. Democrats ran all their moderates out. People like Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman are no more. They are a party controlled by rabid fanatical ideologues and they aren't interested in "working with" anyone unless "working with" means the others are going along with their agenda.

On the Republican side, you have the opposite happening... career politicians who are afraid of making a bold stand or really state any kind of core position on the issues... floundering around without any kind of vision or voice, trying to be everything to everybody and being nothing to anybody. They have a smattering of Conservatives who are constantly berated and belittled, chided and ridiculed as wackos and crazies, insulted and denigrated to death for having the nerve to actually stand for something.

The two-party system has been acceptable for over 200 years and there is nothing wrong with the system. The problem is who we are electing. WE... US... the PEOPLE. It's not the system's fault, it's OUR fault. The DNC and RNC do not INSTALL politicians into political office.

Excellent point Boss! And any time you get someone from either party who rocks the boat, both establishments jump all over them.

The establishment BANKS on the fact that our memories are short. If you listen to them, all the people who have stood up to them are crazy, off the reservation, loony, etc. Most of the people they claim this about are pretty successful, far more successful than most of us.

So then, what are the odds they were telling the truth about even most of them, lol? I mean, lets take Hillary for example. How many people actually think she is stupid? I don't, not at all. She may be many things she is accused of being, but stupid is not one of them!

 

[Disgruntled_American]

Yes and it is everyone's fault the state of the country is in that votes for either Dem or GOP. Accept YOUR mistakes. YOU are the problem.

Well, but Dem and GOP are the two parties in our two party system. If you're not voting people into one of the two parties your voting is wasted. Meanwhile, as you waste your vote, the fanatics and ideologues are given more clout and power in what would've been your party but you abandoned it. You don't see Conservatives out there trying to form a third party because they understand the path to victory is through the GOP.

You think the system is broken but the problem is, if all you people moping around about the broken system would get politically involved in shaping one of the two parties, you could change the whole game. Why does that seem harder to do than becoming an anarchist?

Voting the so called lesser of two evils is still evil so I will not participate in voting for either Dem or GOP. And considering the majority of the population is more knowledgeable in celebrities than their representatives, the system is broken by default due to ignorance.

You call my vote wasted, I call myself not adding to the problem of voting for corrupt politicians that the majority of ignorant people have chosen. YOU instead only vote for a politician you KNOW will increase the debt and the size of government. You just think the "other" side is worse while being an accessory to the problems in America. YOU are the one wasting your vote.

 

[hangover]

Why can't Trump and Sanders go Rogue.

After last night, Trump has to go rogue to save face. He's got the big L on his forehead.

 

[Boss]

Voting the so called lesser of two evils is still evil so I will not participate in voting for either Dem or GOP. And considering the majority of the population is more knowledgeable in celebrities than their representatives, the system is broken by default due to ignorance.

You call my vote wasted, I call myself not adding to the problem of voting for corrupt politicians that the majority of ignorant people have chosen. YOU instead only vote for a politician you KNOW will increase the debt and the size of government. You just think the "other" side is worse while being an accessory to the problems in America. YOU are the one wasting your vote.

Nope, my vote is well spent. I am supporting the candidate who most reflects my core values on the issues and can win the presidency. Your train of thinking is what is fucked up... we don't destroy systems because of ignorance... THAT is ignorant!

Think about it for a hot second. We have a monetary system... some people are ignorant about money... should we destroy our monetary system because of that? We have an environmental system... should we set out to destroy it because some people are ignorant? We have an emergency response system... some people ignorantly make prank calls to 911... should we destroy the system because of that? In ALL cases, it's not the system at fault.

You're giving up... taking a futile and hopeless view because you can't have the attitude of a winner. You see, a winner has the attitude that anything is possible. They don't let others dictate what they believe is possible or stop them from trying to accomplish their goals. You are a loser, you'll always be a loser unless you develop a winning attitude. Changing the system isn't going to change your attitude.

 

[Disgruntled_American]

Voting the so called lesser of two evils is still evil so I will not participate in voting for either Dem or GOP. And considering the majority of the population is more knowledgeable in celebrities than their representatives, the system is broken by default due to ignorance.

You call my vote wasted, I call myself not adding to the problem of voting for corrupt politicians that the majority of ignorant people have chosen. YOU instead only vote for a politician you KNOW will increase the debt and the size of government. You just think the "other" side is worse while being an accessory to the problems in America. YOU are the one wasting your vote.

Nope, my vote is well spent. I am supporting the candidate who most reflects my core values on the issues and can win the presidency. Your train of thinking is what is fucked up... we don't destroy systems because of ignorance... THAT is ignorant!

Think about it for a hot second. We have a monetary system... some people are ignorant about money... should we destroy our monetary system because of that? We have an environmental system... should we set out to destroy it because some people are ignorant? We have an emergency response system... some people ignorantly make prank calls to 911... should we destroy the system because of that? In ALL cases, it's not the system at fault.

You're giving up... taking a futile and hopeless view because you can't have the attitude of a winner. You see, a winner has the attitude that anything is possible. They don't let others dictate what they believe is possible or stop them from trying to accomplish their goals. You are a loser, you'll always be a loser unless you develop a winning attitude. Changing the system isn't going to change your attitude.

Really, so you voted for Bush, so how much was the debt increased by and how about the size of government. Oh yeah you're vote wasn't wasted all right, your vote facilitated more harm to America. Good on you for being the problem. What a winner you are by voting for a candidate that increased debt and the size of government. The only thing you have demonstrated is your willful destruction of America as long as it is YOUR side doing it.

 

[ZackB]

Who, exactly, is this "establishment", and at what point do you become one of the "establishment"? Given that Sanders is a member of the Senate, I cannot see him being anything but part of the establishment. If he is outside of the "establishment", then it is probably by choice.

Are you sure you really know what you are talking about? Perhaps you should stop digesting so much material from the talking heads on television, Sparky.

So you really think that Trump or Sanders stand a chance at third party?

And as for Sanders being the establishment, no he isn't because he wants to go way further left than most of the Dems. Just like Ron Paul wasn't the establishment.

I think it's you who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Hillary wants to go a lot farther left than the majority of Dems, certainly farther left than most Dems would historically go. Does that make Hillary outside of the establishment?

Note, I think that everyone knows HRC is a whore. I use her as an example merely for academic reasons, so don't get lost in the specifics of the analogy, Opie.

No, Hillary is right in line with the Dems on the establishment with her voting record. She talks, but she doesn't walk the talk. In the end she votes right in line with the others.

Agreed. But she has gone far left in the campaign. Though, the whore does admittedly sway with the breeze.

 

[HenryBHough]

I continue to HOPE (mot "believe") that Trump, Sanders AND Bloomberg will run as independents. Hey, America's future is too important to be taken seriously.

 

[ZackB]

Fuck going rogue. There would be no greater "fuck you, America", that Trump going rogue and thereby putting Hillary in the WH.

This is not some "Sophie's choice" situation. It is Hillary Clinton - Bill's worse, evil half.

 

[Boss]

Really, so you voted for Bush, so how much was the debt increased by and how about the size of government. Oh yeah you're vote wasn't wasted all right, your vote facilitated more harm to America. Good on you for being the problem. What a winner you are by voting for a candidate that increased debt and the size of government. The only thing you have demonstrated is your willful destruction of America as long as it is YOUR side doing it.

Yes, I voted for Bush because the alternative was AL GORE! Oh my god... can you even imagine what a fucked up mess our country would be if Al "I invented the Internet" Gore had won? You think Gore wouldn't have increased the size of government or debt?

Look, Mr. Idealist... I realize one simple fact of life... it doesn't matter if you vote for a third party or sit and home eating Cheetos... a Republican or Democrat is going to be elected president on election day. There is no scenario where we turn on the news Election Night and hear them say... Well folks, we're sorry to report there will be no new president because no one showed up to vote!

So I can get all upset and patriotic and not participate in "the sham" or I can at least support one of the two options. I don't NOT vote on principle. Sorry.

Let's set aside your complaints and beefs for a moment and review our history. Both Democrat and Republican parties have undergone many-a-change over the decades. Platforms and planks have varied and are really all over the board in every direction at different times.... there's not two immutable parties. WE are the key to that... WE change the dynamics of the party as we go. The party literally becomes whatever the people of the party want them to become. Change can be slow but that is the brilliance of the design, it's supposed to be slow. Sitting out the process in a huff because they're not moving fast enough to please you is foolish and will NEVER accomplish a thing. Never has, never will.

 

[Timmy]

Who, exactly, is this "establishment", and at what point do you become one of the "establishment"? Given that Sanders is a member of the Senate, I cannot see him being anything but part of the establishment. If he is outside of the "establishment", then it is probably by choice.

Are you sure you really know what you are talking about? Perhaps you should stop digesting so much material from the talking heads on television, Sparky.

Bernie runs as an independent . He's that weird purple seat whenever senate election graphics are shown on the news .

 

[Zander]

Why would Trump go 3rd party? They've only held one caucus (not even a primary) that accounts for less than 1% of the available delegates....He spent almost nothing on ground operatives (which is a big part of winning Iowa). blew off the debate, and he still came in second place.

Why would Crackpot Sanders go third party? He's a socialist kook that was losing by 50 percent when he started and he ended up tying the "inevitable one". I'd say he did exceptionally well.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Even Stewart who is far from genius can see how bat shit crazy the Bernie and his supporters are...

It's as if English isn't your first language.

 

[Rustic]

Even Stewart who is far from genius can see how bat shit crazy the Bernie and his supporters are...

It's as if English isn't your first language.

The Sioux have no written language, your right...

 

[Arianrhod]

Sanders' career is one of working with members of both parties. It's a concept called "cooperation," something most RWs may not be familiar with.

Trump should definitely go rogue and run third party (as he tried to do in 2000). This time he's got enough media attention to siphon votes away from the GOP and stab it in the heart for being so mean to him.

 

[Rustic]

Sanders' career is one of working with members of both parties. It's a concept called "cooperation," something most RWs may not be familiar with.

Trump should definitely go rogue and run third party (as he tried to do in 2000). This time he's got enough media attention to siphon votes away from the GOP and stab it in the heart for being so mean to him.

He's a candy ass, career politician.

 

[Rustic]

Sanders' career is one of working with members of both parties. It's a concept called "cooperation," something most RWs may not be familiar with.

Trump should definitely go rogue and run third party (as he tried to do in 2000). This time he's got enough media attention to siphon votes away from the GOP and stab it in the heart for being so mean to him.

He's a candy ass, career politician.

Glad to see you feel that way about the hypocrite that is Bernese...

 

[LoneLaugher]

Even Stewart who is far from genius can see how bat shit crazy the Bernie and his supporters are...

You don't understand the shit you post. How stupid are you?

 

[Arianrhod]

Even Stewart who is far from genius can see how bat shit crazy the Bernie and his supporters are...

You don't understand the shit you post. How stupid are you?

Aw, be fair. "Auth-en-ti-ci-ty" is a BIG word.

 

[Mac1958]

...but this election cycle seems different.

Boy, no shit.

There are still so many variables. If Sanders' popularity increases - and it will have to in future primary states - and/or if Hillary implodes for some reason (doubtful), it sure would be interesting to see what the Democrats do. Bloomberg is out there, Biden is out there.

Come to think of it, the GOP is similar. If Trump implodes, a lot of the party won't want Cruz, and Rubio and the governors are out there.

Fuckin' bizarro world this time around.
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