Why can't Israel fight its own wars??

[AnOrangeCat]

A tax isnt socialism. Socialism is total control.

No, that would be Communism.

If all working adults are paying into a system that uses those taxes to pay for health care for those who aren't working, that is textbook socialism.

If SS was socialist policy you would nt be allowed by law to have IRA 401K or pension.

Sure you can. You can definitely do both. Social Security is also pay-go, with payroll taxes going to pay benefits for those currently on the program who aren't working.

Socialism can live alongside pensions and 401k, you can absolutely collect all three if you want.

Your employer pays half the tax so business is paying half of it.

Paying to whom? Where do their payments go? Into a Trust, correct? And who has access to that trust? People who qualify for the program and aren't working full time.

You have no idea how its funded

Classic projection.

What do you call a system where workers pay payroll taxes that are used for health care for people not paying payroll taxes?

 

[Hafar1014]

No, that would be Communism.

If all working adults are paying into a system that uses those taxes to pay for health care for those who aren't working, that is textbook socialism.


Sure you can. You can definitely do both. Social Security is also pay-go, with payroll taxes going to pay benefits for those currently on the program who aren't working.

Socialism can live alongside pensions and 401k, you can absolutely collect all three if you want.



Paying to whom? Where do their payments go? Into a Trust, correct? And who has access to that trust? People who qualify for the program and aren't working full time.

Communism is ownerrship sociualism is total control. In efect no difference.

Programs with social in their title isnt socialism. Its lie the socialists like spread claiming we are already socialists.
SS is the worst pension ever created. It costs too much pays too little and always goes broke.
There is no trust SS is pay as you go PONZI with no internal investment to offset future increases.
It will eventually collapse when taxes cant be raised and benefits cant be cut

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Communism is ownerrship sociualism is total control. In efect no difference.

That is incorrect.

Socialism is an economic system where the government pays for programs like Medicare and SS using payroll taxes. So in the case of Medicare, the doctors aren't employed by the government. Medicare doesn't employ a single doctor. All Medicare does is reimburse providers for care at an 80% rate.

According to your definition, the VA would be Communism because it is entirely contained within a system run by the government that employs doctors directly and directly pays for medications.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Programs with social in their title isnt socialism. Its lie the socialists like spread claiming we are already socialists.

Then what do you call a system that collects payroll taxes from one group, and uses those taxes to pay for health care and retirement for another group?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Programs with social in their title isnt socialism. Its lie the socialists like spread claiming we are already socialists.
SS is the worst pension ever created. It costs too much pays too little and always goes broke.

Social Security's Trust is good through 2035 before it runs a deficit. But that problem is easily solved by removing the $184k cap on taxable SS income so that everyone, regardless of their income, pays 6.2% on every dollar.

So you pay 6.2% on your entire wage and Lebron James pays 6.2% on his entire wage.

And that's how you preserve Social Security while increasing benefits.

You're welcome.

A Ponzi scheme is where someone at the top receives all of what was paid into by those below them, then absconds with it.

So who is at the top of the "Social Security Ponzi Scheme" that is absconding with that money?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

There is no trust SS is pay as you go PONZI with no internal investment to offset future increases.

Incorrect.

The Social Security Trust Funds are financial accounts in the U.S. Treasury used to pay retirement, survivor, and disability benefits. The trustees project that the combined reserves will be depleted in 2032. If Congress does not act by then, incoming payroll taxes will only be able to cover roughly 78% of scheduled benefits.

It will eventually collapse when taxes cant be raised and benefits cant be cut

You don't need to raise taxes, you just need to remove the cap on taxable SS income.

 

[Stryder50]

Then what do you call a system that collects payroll taxes from one group, and uses those taxes to pay for health care and retirement for another group?

Government.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

A tax isnt socialism. Socialism is total control.

No, Communism is total control because it is a political and economic system.

Socialism is just an economic system that is largely funded with payroll taxes.

The VA is probably the closest thing to Communism we have because it is entirely government-run, every person in the VA is a government employee, and the VA serves only veterans.

If SS was socialist policy you would nt be allowed by law to have IRA 401K or pension.

Nonsense, you can very much have SS, pensions, and/or 401k's.

It doesn't seem like you really understand anything you're saying.

What do you call a system where workers pay taxes on their income to provide benefits for others?

our employer pays half the tax so business is paying half of it.

Yeah, who are they paying those taxes to, and what do they do once they collect those taxes?

ou have no idea how its funded

You idiotsplained it just fine.

It's funded by payroll taxes, hence socialism.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Government.

Incorrect, socialism is an economic system where the government provides benefits using payroll taxes.

"Government" is not an answer.

There are different types of government and there are degrees of socialism in most governments.

 

[Stryder50]

That is incorrect.

Socialism is an economic system where the government pays for programs like Medicare and SS using payroll taxes. So in the case of Medicare, the doctors aren't employed by the government. Medicare doesn't employ a single doctor. All Medicare does is reimburse providers for care at an 80% rate.

According to your definition, the VA would be Communism because it is entirely contained within a system run by the government that employs doctors directly and directly pays for medications.

Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.
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Socialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Government.

What type of government?

 

[Stryder50]

Incorrect, socialism is an economic system where the government provides benefits using payroll taxes.

"Government" is not an answer.

There are different types of government and there are degrees of socialism in most governments.

You fail to grasp ...
... characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. ...
Typical of a troll.

 

[Stryder50]

What type of government?

Any and all.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.
...

Socialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So just like I said...degrees of socialism within a government.

Governments aren't "socialist," they have socialist policies. That's the political aspect.

 

[Stryder50]

How the 'New' Socialism Falls Apart​

There is certainly a new flavor of socialism emerging amongst the younger generation.
...
There is certainly a new flavor of socialism emerging amongst the younger generation. The updated addition to the socialist dogma is tinged with what is called the Me-First perspective, the current rallying cry for a new batch of socialists attempting to upset the economic apple cart. This latest flavor is not too far from the traditional utopian idea that socialism could work somehow if all that is tweaked are price controls, the elimination of private ownership, slowing down market forces, and stifling entrepreneurial incentive and motivation. In other words, the new age socialists' prevailing cry for a socialist fix to the economy is to upset the apple cart for their own subsidization and effectively taxing everyone else. Put another way, it is about satisfying their wants using your means. Why do they use capitalist means of production to establish a socialist economy? Why doesn’t the new age socialist have a socialist means of production?

The problem with the Gen Z new age socialist frame of thought is that they have no means of production of their own. Put plainly, there are no such things as socialist means of production or economic market tools; if so, what are they? ...
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How the 'New' Socialism Falls Apart

There is certainly a new flavor of socialism emerging amongst the younger generation.

www.americanthinker.com

 

[Stryder50]

So just like I said...degrees of socialism within a government.

Governments aren't "socialist," they have socialist policies. That's the political aspect.

You fail to grasp/understand #452 ...

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You fail to grasp ...
... characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. ...
Typical of a troll.

In the case of Medicare, the means of production is the reimbursement mechanism to providers from Medicare. Basically, what insurance companies do, Medicare also does but they do it with taxpayer dollars.

Yeesh.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Any and all.

No, incorrect. That is not the answer. Not every government does SS. Have you ever traveled outside of the US before?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

How the 'New' Socialism Falls Apart​

You have no idea what you're talking about and you're not comprehending what you are reading.

This is just like the health care conversation we had before, which was just like the deficit/surplus conversation we had before.

In both cases, you flamed out.

You just refused to accept what was given to you because you didn't want to take ownership of the failed policies you support.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You fail to grasp/understand #452 ...

OK, the thing is that you are an anti-intellectual who redefines words based on feeling, not fact.

Medicare is socialism.

Social Security is socialism.

In both cases, the government funds and operates using tax dollars to provide services to beneficiaries.