Why can't Americans have a vacation?

[Sunshine]

Every country is at a LEGISLATED vacation mandate of ~ 5 weeks per year, +/- 1 or 2, except the USA, where there is no vacation legislation for workers, and the ridiculously low 2 weeks is a "gift". Why are Americans so freakishly different again? And why do Americans love undercutting themselves this much?

Your vacation, like insurance, is part of your benefit package which is part of your pay. Vacation is carried on the books of the employer as an account payable and it comes out of their bottom line. The person offering the benefit gets to decide how much time off you get.

Beyond that, I know plenty of nurses, who once they realize what their earning power is work every hour they can cram in. I used to be one of them.

And the other reason: We aren't completely socialist. Yet.

Don't worry, we are getting their, mostly because your heroes have made Captialism such a shit sandwich that no one wants to eat it.

I see you don't mind using one pretty big ticket item off that 'shit sandwich....like a computer.

Of course, I have no doubt I buy your groceries.

 

[boedicca]

We just cashed out a couple of weeks. I went shopping.

On a serious note, when my husband was with this one company in Ontario, the head honchos over in Germany were always on vacation. Rog had to contact everyone at their vacation destinies just to keep the Canadian plant going.

It was wild. It was like "does anyone work over there"?

Europeans are famous for taking August off, high VAT, modest economic performance, and ignoring local genocidal maniacs.

And they have less crime, less violence, a higher standard of living, a longer life expectency and a lower infant mortality rate.

Links?

I call shenanigans - especially on the latter.

The U.S. defines premature babies as live births, something which is not done in many countries. We go to extraordinary lengths to keep such babies alive - while they are euthanized elsewhere.

 

[JoeB131]

I see you don't mind using one pretty big ticket item off that 'shit sandwich....like a computer.

Of course, I have no doubt I buy your groceries.

You'd be as wrong about that as anything else, then.

I work a 9-5 job at a factory, and I have a side business where I write resumes for people.

And we'd have computers without capitalism. The first computers were actually developed by the government for the purpose of calculating artillery trajectories. The internet was developed by the government so the military could transmit data.

In short- You didn't build that. We did.

 

[JoeB131]

Europeans are famous for taking August off, high VAT, modest economic performance, and ignoring local genocidal maniacs.

And they have less crime, less violence, a higher standard of living, a longer life expectency and a lower infant mortality rate.

Links?

I call shenanigans - especially on the latter.

The U.S. defines premature babies as live births, something which is not done in many countries. We go to extraordinary lengths to keep such babies alive - while they are euthanized elsewhere.

Right... because obviously European ladies don't love their babies like we love ours...

Has it occured to you the reason why we have a higher infant mortality rate is because 1 out of 4 Americans has either no health coverage or inadequate health coverage, and that's why we are up there with third world countries?

 

[boedicca]

I see you don't mind using one pretty big ticket item off that 'shit sandwich....like a computer.

Of course, I have no doubt I buy your groceries.

You'd be as wrong about that as anything else, then.

I work a 9-5 job at a factory, and I have a side business where I write resumes for people.

And we'd have computers without capitalism. The first computers were actually developed by the government for the purpose of calculating artillery trajectories. The internet was developed by the government so the military could transmit data.

In short- You didn't build that. We did.

Bull Crap.

Without private industry, computers not be commercially available. The government would have a few extraordinarily expensive and inefficient custom jobs (boondoggle projects) made by their cronies.

 

[boedicca]

And they have less crime, less violence, a higher standard of living, a longer life expectency and a lower infant mortality rate.

Links?

I call shenanigans - especially on the latter.

The U.S. defines premature babies as live births, something which is not done in many countries. We go to extraordinary lengths to keep such babies alive - while they are euthanized elsewhere.

Right... because obviously European ladies don't love their babies like we love ours...

Has it occured to you the reason why we have a higher infant mortality rate is because 1 out of 4 Americans has either no health coverage or inadequate health coverage, and that's why we are up there with third world countries?

It's called Nationalized Healthcare - and it has an incentive to not preserve life.

60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic'

Up to 60,000 patients die on the Liverpool Care Pathway each year without giving their consent, shocking figures revealed yesterday.

A third of families are also kept in the dark when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment from loved ones....

60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic' | Mail Online

 

[JoeB131]

Bull Crap.

Without private industry, computers not be commercially available. The government would have a few extraordinarily expensive and inefficient custom jobs (boondoggle projects) made by their cronies.

I'm not sure if reasoning with you is possible, as you've bought into the propaganda that the market always provides good and the public sector never does.

Sorry, the Public Sector brought us the Ford Pinto, New Coke and fought against security provisions that let 9/11 happen.

The government runs a lot of things very well. The national parks, the national highway system, the military, etc.

But like most sufferers of Stockholm Syndrome, you sympathize with your abusers.

 

[Sunshine]

Bull Crap.

Without private industry, computers not be commercially available. The government would have a few extraordinarily expensive and inefficient custom jobs (boondoggle projects) made by their cronies.

I'm not sure if reasoning with you is possible, as you've bought into the propaganda that the market always provides good and the public sector never does.

Sorry, the Public Sector brought us the Ford Pinto, New Coke and fought against security provisions that let 9/11 happen.

The government runs a lot of things very well. The national parks, the national highway system, the military, etc.

But like most sufferers of Stockholm Syndrome, you sympathize with your abusers.

Clearly you get your government check on time every month.

 

[boedicca]

Bull Crap.

Without private industry, computers not be commercially available. The government would have a few extraordinarily expensive and inefficient custom jobs (boondoggle projects) made by their cronies.

I'm not sure if reasoning with you is possible, as you've bought into the propaganda that the market always provides good and the public sector never does.

Sorry, the Public Sector brought us the Ford Pinto, New Coke and fought against security provisions that let 9/11 happen.

The government runs a lot of things very well. The national parks, the national highway system, the military, etc.

But like most sufferers of Stockholm Syndrome, you sympathize with your abusers.

LOL! It must be comforting to you to have such a healthy fantasy life - and what a compensation for your obviously dull and listless existence!

 

[JoeB131]

Links?

I call shenanigans - especially on the latter.

The U.S. defines premature babies as live births, something which is not done in many countries. We go to extraordinary lengths to keep such babies alive - while they are euthanized elsewhere.

Right... because obviously European ladies don't love their babies like we love ours...

Has it occured to you the reason why we have a higher infant mortality rate is because 1 out of 4 Americans has either no health coverage or inadequate health coverage, and that's why we are up there with third world countries?

It's called Nationalized Healthcare - and it has an incentive to not preserve life.

60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic'

Up to 60,000 patients die on the Liverpool Care Pathway each year without giving their consent, shocking figures revealed yesterday.

A third of families are also kept in the dark when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment from loved ones....
]

You see, you are trying to change the subject from infant mortality to end of life care...

Which is fairly dishonest of you, but what I've come to expect from apologists for our current system.

OVERALL- however, the United Kingdom has an average life expectency of 79 years compared to 77 in the US...


Life Expectancy At Birth, Total years statistics - countries compared - Health data on NationMaster

 

[JoeB131]

Bull Crap.

Without private industry, computers not be commercially available. The government would have a few extraordinarily expensive and inefficient custom jobs (boondoggle projects) made by their cronies.

I'm not sure if reasoning with you is possible, as you've bought into the propaganda that the market always provides good and the public sector never does.

Sorry, the Public Sector brought us the Ford Pinto, New Coke and fought against security provisions that let 9/11 happen.

The government runs a lot of things very well. The national parks, the national highway system, the military, etc.

But like most sufferers of Stockholm Syndrome, you sympathize with your abusers.

LOL! It must be comforting to you to have such a healthy fantasy life - and what a compensation for your obviously dull and listless existence!

It must be sad for you to be as heartless and retarded as you are...

 

[boedicca]

Right... because obviously European ladies don't love their babies like we love ours...

Has it occured to you the reason why we have a higher infant mortality rate is because 1 out of 4 Americans has either no health coverage or inadequate health coverage, and that's why we are up there with third world countries?

It's called Nationalized Healthcare - and it has an incentive to not preserve life.

60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic'

Up to 60,000 patients die on the Liverpool Care Pathway each year without giving their consent, shocking figures revealed yesterday.

A third of families are also kept in the dark when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment from loved ones....
]

You see, you are trying to change the subject from infant mortality to end of life care...

Which is fairly dishonest of you, but what I've come to expect from apologists for our current system.

OVERALL- however, the United Kingdom has an average life expectency of 79 years compared to 77 in the US...


Life Expectancy At Birth, Total years statistics - countries compared - Health data on NationMaster

Those stats are baloney as they do not use a standard definition for Live Births. Nationalized health care systems have an incentive to define away life in order to create a false sense of success.

http://w3.unece.org/pxweb/Dialog/Fo...ent,+Country+and+Year&lang=1&ansi=1&noofvar=4


But thanks for playing, bub.

 

[Dragonlady]

The U.S. defines premature babies as live births, something which is not done in many countries. We go to extraordinary lengths to keep such babies alive - while they are euthanized elsewhere.

That is simply not true. This is one of the lies perpetrated on the American public by big medicine. There are NO firstworld countries where premature infants are allowed to die.

The US has a higher incidence of infant mortality because far too many poor and low income women don't have proper pre-natal and post-natal care in the US. Canada, Great Britain, Australia and all of the European nations take the same extra-ordinary measures to save an infant as the US. And their infant mortality rates are lower, than the US - by a LOT. The only difference is they don't ask the parents how they're going to pay for it all.

 

[JoeB131]

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Those stats are baloney as they do not use a standard definition for Live Births. Nationalized health care systems have an incentive to define away life in order to create a false sense of success.

Statistical Database -- United Nations Economic Commission for Europe


But thanks for playing, bub.

Actually, those stats are recognized by everyone, including our own government. We suck at life expectency, and we suck at infant mortality.

Here's what the CIA says on the same subject.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

30 - United Kingdom 80.17

51 - United States 78.49

Wait, let's see what the CIA says about Infant Mortality...

188 - United Kingdom 4.56/100,000

173 - United States 6.00

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

NO, but please go ahead and keep telling yourself everthing is fine and our current system is wonderful.

 

[Dragonlady]

Those stats are baloney as they do not use a standard definition for Live Births. Nationalized health care systems have an incentive to define away life in order to create a false sense of success.

National health care systems have no reason to lie. They're not in the business of making a profit.

The US health care lobby DOES have a reason to lie. It's making billions upon billions of dollars and if the US moved to government funded health care, the gravy train ends. That's why you have the "death panel" lies, and the fictions that Canadians are dying in the streets while waiting for health care.

If Americans were ever treated to Canadian or British health care, they would turn on the medical lobby faster than you could say "single payer".

 

[boedicca]

The U.S. defines premature babies as live births, something which is not done in many countries. We go to extraordinary lengths to keep such babies alive - while they are euthanized elsewhere.

That is simply not true. This is one of the lies perpetrated on the American public by big medicine. There are NO firstworld countries where premature infants are allowed to die.

The US has a higher incidence of infant mortality because far too many poor and low income women don't have proper pre-natal and post-natal care in the US. Canada, Great Britain, Australia and all of the European nations take the same extra-ordinary measures to save an infant as the US. And their infant mortality rates are lower, than the US - by a LOT. The only difference is they don't ask the parents how they're going to pay for it all.

You have lousy reading comprehension. I said Many Countries, nor First World countries.

The Russian standard excludes babies less than 28 weeks gestation, less than 1000 grams in weight and 35 centimeters in length, who die within seven days of birth. They are not counted as live births. This standard is used by quite a few countries.

 

[JoeB131]

You have lousy reading comprehension. I said Many Countries, nor First World countries.

The Russian standard excludes babies less than 28 weeks gestation, less than 1000 grams in weight and 35 centimeters in length, who die within seven days of birth. They are not counted as live births. This standard is used by quite a few countries.

No one was discussing Russia (which has an infant mortality rate of 9.88)

We were discussing the United Kingdom, which does have a lower infant mortality rate, as do Germany, Japan, Italy and France...

Also of whom also have- Single payer, universal health care.

 

[Dragonlady]

You have lousy reading comprehension. I said Many Countries, nor First World countries.

The Russian standard excludes babies less than 28 weeks gestation, less than 1000 grams in weight and 35 centimeters in length, who die within seven days of birth. They are not counted as live births. This standard is used by quite a few countries.

I don't understand the necessity to start every response to a post with an insult, but if this is board policy, here goes: boedicca, you ignorant slut:

You implied that the ONLY reason the infant mortality rate in the US is high is because Americans try to save very premature babies.

1. First off, there aren't that many severely pre-mature babies to skew the statistics;

2. Secondly Russia is not a first world country;

3. This is simply another US medical lobby fiction, like the "death panels" which they use to frighten Americans into maintaining the status quo. They fear for their profits. What part of that is so difficult for you to comprehend.

 

[Unkotare]

Every country is at a LEGISLATED vacation mandate of ~ 5 weeks per year, +/- 1 or 2, except the USA, where there is no vacation legislation for workers, and the ridiculously low 2 weeks is a "gift". Why are Americans so freakishly different again? And why do Americans love undercutting themselves this much?

Why do Europeans hate work so much?

 

[Sunshine]

Those stats are baloney as they do not use a standard definition for Live Births. Nationalized health care systems have an incentive to define away life in order to create a false sense of success.

National health care systems have no reason to lie. They're not in the business of making a profit.

The US health care lobby DOES have a reason to lie. It's making billions upon billions of dollars and if the US moved to government funded health care, the gravy train ends. That's why you have the "death panel" lies, and the fictions that Canadians are dying in the streets while waiting for health care.

If Americans were ever treated to Canadian or British health care, they would turn on the medical lobby faster than you could say "single payer".

Every health care system has reasons to lie. Medical negligence is not tied to profits. And people in all systems die from negligence. My SIL is Canadian and he won't live there because he doesn't want to die young.