Why are people afraid of socialized healthcare?

[bigtalker]

I think people are afraid of socialized HC because the government is out of control. Currently we are being ruled not governed and people don’t want to lose more freedom. – That’s understandable
But…
If we the people would act like a real community (unity) we would help each other and have socialized HC. I have heard arguments against it but frankly those same arguments could be used against public roads and that (public roads) seems to work well for everyone.
BTW – I realize healthcare would NOT be free (just like public roads)
We all pull together and pay to make sure the community is taken care of. We Americans have bought a lie that “everyman for himself” or “kill or be killed” are good slogans for a society – not true!
Side note: this post is not about Obamacare – please don’t confuse the two

Reference:
American Christian Society -


Tschüß und Danke!

 

[The Infidel]

Why are people afraid of socialized healthcare?

If ya have to ask... you'll never understand the answer.


Just name me one thing the gov't does right....

 

[Revere]

Christ had no use for government.

 

[bigtalker]

Why are people afraid of socialized healthcare?




Just name me one thing the gov't does right....

Keeping us from being united! – they are also doing a good job of keeping us down and stopping us from rising up as a people. This would limit their control.
I realize this sounds contradicting to my post (taking the side of socialized HC)… but if it was “we the people” we could take care of ourselves and be governed by ourselves (true leaders not the elitists)

good question!

 

[Revere]

"Unite" with me and oppose the false utopia of collectivism.

 

[Common Sense]

Why are people afraid of socialized healthcare?

If ya have to ask... you'll never understand the answer.


Just name me one thing the gov't does right....

1) National Parks
2) Fire and Police Services
3) Roads (that is until recently, the roads maintenance is bad)

 

[Gunny]

I think people are afraid of socialized HC because the government is out of control. Currently we are being ruled not governed and people don’t want to lose more freedom. – That’s understandable
But…
If we the people would act like a real community (unity) we would help each other and have socialized HC. I have heard arguments against it but frankly those same arguments could be used against public roads and that (public roads) seems to work well for everyone.
BTW – I realize healthcare would NOT be free (just like public roads)
We all pull together and pay to make sure the community is taken care of. We Americans have bought a lie that “everyman for himself” or “kill or be killed” are good slogans for a society – not true!
Side note: this post is not about Obamacare – please don’t confuse the two

Reference:
American Christian Society -


Tschüß und Danke!

I'd say it was the socialist part of it.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I think people are afraid of socialized HC because the government is out of control. Currently we are being ruled not governed and people don’t want to lose more freedom. – That’s understandable
But…
If we the people would act like a real community (unity) we would help each other and have socialized HC. I have heard arguments against it but frankly those same arguments could be used against public roads and that (public roads) seems to work well for everyone.
BTW – I realize healthcare would NOT be free (just like public roads)
We all pull together and pay to make sure the community is taken care of. We Americans have bought a lie that “everyman for himself” or “kill or be killed” are good slogans for a society – not true!
Side note: this post is not about Obamacare – please don’t confuse the two

Reference:
American Christian Society -


Tschüß und Danke!

I'd say it was the socialist part of it.

I'd say your right

 

[Immanuel]

I'd have to agree with Gunny.

I do not want the people that you all continue to elect to the White House, Senate and Congress to run my health insurance. I don't trust those people and I'll be doggone if I willingly give any more of my freedoms to those corrupt S.O.B.s and the lobbyists that pay them to rob me of more of my freedoms.

Get your act together and get rid of the riff raff and maybe I won't be so opposed to the idea of government run health care.

Immie

 

[martybegan]

I think people are afraid of socialized HC because the government is out of control. Currently we are being ruled not governed and people don’t want to lose more freedom. – That’s understandable
But…
If we the people would act like a real community (unity) we would help each other and have socialized HC. I have heard arguments against it but frankly those same arguments could be used against public roads and that (public roads) seems to work well for everyone.
BTW – I realize healthcare would NOT be free (just like public roads)
We all pull together and pay to make sure the community is taken care of. We Americans have bought a lie that “everyman for himself” or “kill or be killed” are good slogans for a society – not true!
Side note: this post is not about Obamacare – please don’t confuse the two

Reference:
American Christian Society -


Tschüß und Danke!

The issue mostly revolves around the percieved notion that a single source for healthcare (i.e. goverment run) would end up being a DMV like experience.

I know some things are better run by a govermental organization, I do not argue that. To me the issue of total goverment control over certain items boils down to how will this affect my ability to have an input in decisons that are made, and how responsive will said agency be to my concerns.

Using the DMV as an example, most people hate the DMV, and with good reason. If you want to drive a car using public roads, you need a license, registration, etc. The goverment, however, has no real stake in providing you with the type of customer service you would expect if you could go elsewhere for the service. They have a monopoly, you CANT go anywhere else and the only way is thier way. They can make you wait in a 4 hour line and you really cannot do anything about it short of voting in people who will fix it.

Some people see the same thing happening with healthcare, not in the proposals being made, but happening at some future date, with this as the starting point.

 

[uscitizen]

Yep I would rather that people get rich off of the misery and suffering of others.
Long live unfettered capitalism.

 

[Revere]

Anyone who is suffering can buy health care.

 

[bigtalker]

Anyone who is suffering can buy health care.

hmmm... I don't think it works that way.

 

[Revere]

Anyone who is suffering can buy health care.

hmmm... I don't think it works that way.

No, they don't sell it to you unless you have insurance?

I think only Medicaid works that way.

 

[Bern80]

Obviously one fear is that OUR government would do a piss poor job at efficiently and effectively running the health care industry. But there would be inherrent inefficencies well. To paraphrase Milton Friedman, people spend other people's money on other people less efficiently than people spend their own money on themselves. Such a system also breads laziness on the part of the member's of society. Let's face it, in a socialized system it's not like the things you once paid for are now free, it's just that you're paying for them indirectly through taxes rather than directly to the provider or in premiums to an insurance company. Like it or not, what you are essentially saying is that you would rather have government be responsible for your health care than you take responsibility for it yourself.

I guess the issue for me is that you start getting into more fundamental arguments about the role of government in a society. Even if government ran the system as efficiently and effectively as any of us could possibly dream of, should it STILL be the role of a government to be the provider of your health care? What is the argument that government should provide that for you rather than you providing it for yourself? If you're argument is that it is the role of government to provide certain basic necessities, where do you credibly draw the line? Don't you then have to push government to provide basic housing, transportation, etc.?

 

[Common Sense]

Anyone who is suffering can buy health care.

very untrue. if you have a preexisting condition they will offer you insurance options, but your premiums are so high they are unaffordable.

why is there such disdain for the idea that everyone should have access to affordable health care? are we really that selfish?

 

[Bern80]

Anyone who is suffering can buy health care.

very untrue. if you have a preexisting condition they will offer you insurance options, but your premiums are so high they are unaffordable.

why is there such disdain for the idea that everyone should have access to affordable health care? are we really that selfish?

You're premise is false, that's why. It isn't that people don't want health care to be affordable. The issues are that government won't accomplish that goal in the long run. The system also needs to be a fair one. Poeple are charged more for having pre-existing conditions because they are at greater health risk and it is not fair to someone perfectly healthy that they have to pay the same rate in premiums as someone who is of high risk.

That isn't to say the system doesn't need work. One thing that could be examined is what exacty constitutes a pre-existing condition. I think it's a little broad. I had cancer 25 odd years ago, but am a perfectly healthy person today, still my cancer would be considered a pre-existing condition I believe. Your premiums ought to be based on your health now, not what it was some time ago.

 

[boedicca]

Why I am Afraid of Socialized HealthCare:

Because I would rather have a direct doctor-patient relationship than to have Dr. Berwick decide I am not worthy of care.

 

[Revere]

Anyone who is suffering can buy health care.

very untrue. if you have a preexisting condition they will offer you insurance options, but your premiums are so high they are unaffordable.

why is there such disdain for the idea that everyone should have access to affordable health care? are we really that selfish?

Insurance is not health care.

Are you really so naive as to believe we can "give" everything everyone wants?

 

[Common Sense]

Anyone who is suffering can buy health care.

very untrue. if you have a preexisting condition they will offer you insurance options, but your premiums are so high they are unaffordable.

why is there such disdain for the idea that everyone should have access to affordable health care? are we really that selfish?

You're premise is false, that's why. It isn't that people don't want health care to be affordable. The issues are that government won't accomplish that goal in the long run. The system also needs to be a fair one. Poeple are charged more for having pre-existing conditions because they are at greater health risk and it is not fair to someone perfectly healthy that they have to pay the same rate in premiums as someone who is of high risk.

That isn't to say the system doesn't need work. One thing that could be examined is what exacty constitutes a pre-existing condition. I think it's a little broad. I had cancer 25 odd years ago, but am a perfectly healthy person today, still my cancer would be considered a pre-existing condition I believe. Your premiums ought to be based on your health now, not what it was some time ago.

its good criticize about government intervention, but maybe we should wait to see if it has the desired affect instead of simply saying it wont work. tons of people said bailing out GM wouldnt work, but as we saw yesterday, it actually did and saved an approximate 1.4 million jobs in the process. if youre going to simply criticize it doesnt do anyone any good. you need to offer solution to the problem instead of simply saying it wont work. we can have disagreement and argument with out getting angry and name calling. its called being civil.

and im also in disagreement with your premium being based on your health at that current point in life. i think a simpler solution would be to charge the same for everyone all the time. then if costs rise, you can raise the rates across the board. by picking and choosing which groups to raise rates on you push those people out of the market and it become a strain on the system when they are forced into government subsidized programs such as medicare and medicare. it also puts a strain on the hospitals that have to treat them regardless of their ability to pay.