Why are conservatives losing?!?!?

[Dragonlady]

Hey clueless hack!

Who has control of the House and Senate? Who has the most state governors?

How are you that stupid and still able to use technology to broadcast your stupidity?

And how did they get control of the House and Senate - Gerrymandering. Now that the SC has ruled that voters can petition to have districts drawn by geography, and that voters get to choose the candidate, not the other way around, we'll see how many seats Republicans hold by the end of the 2018 elections.

If you can't see that the Republican Party is totally fractured and is not going back together again any time soon, you are too stupid to be one person.

 

[g5000]

Hey clueless hack!

Who has control of the House and Senate? Who has the most state governors?

Michigan has a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and a Republican governor. Woo hoo!

How's that working out for Detroit?

 

[g5000]

(1) Healthcare: I get it single payer and government run health insurance we 'hear' is a disaster, yet European countries will not do away with it any time soon. However you never get a plan other than status quo. I hear the sell across state lines bullshit, but those insurers have to follow state law and I guarantee this added competition wouldn't change a thing, but it is a great talking point.

Auto insurance, life insurance, and home insurance are sold across state lines. So your argument is exploded by reality.

You should be buying your health insurance the exact same way you buy your auto, life, and home insurance.

 

[Votto]

They still have a strong base, but they can't compete in the long run.

It comes down to 4 issues that turn the middle on them:
(1) Healthcare: I get it single payer and government run health insurance we 'hear' is a disaster, yet European countries will not do away with it any time soon. However you never get a plan other than status quo. I hear the sell across state lines bullshit, but those insurers have to follow state law and I guarantee this added competition wouldn't change a thing, but it is a great talking point. Second you hear health savings accounts. Which are already hear and while good aren't even close to the answer. Obaminationcare is bad but it at least go rid of the insurer practice of pre-existing condition riders (meaning once your sick no one would insure you), drop you after you get sick and skyrocket rates after you get sick. Obaminationcare is bad, but status quo was horrible also. Conservatives lose many middle class voters on this issue, because they never present any real plan.

(2) Abortion: You used to be able to hold the stance, ban on later term abortions and no abortions after 1 trimester except for rape, incest or mother's life is in danger. Now during the primaries the only acceptable stance is "no abortion, no exceptions. Not for rape or incest victims, not if the fetus has birth defects, not for teenagers and some won't even allow if the mother's life is in danger. Sorry but this turns off many independents and women.

(3) Higher Education: Most jobs require a college degree. The few that don't are lower paying and in shrinking industries, such as manufacturing. The fact of the matter is higher education cost upwards of $120k. Young people start their lives in a boatload of debt. These are voters who hear one side at least talk about trying to forgive debt, help pay for it and lower rates.

Then you have the GOP who complain about what the colleges charge and basically stop there. They wouldn't pass the bill to lower interest rates. While there are good arguments why they did that. Voters with student loan debt only saw that republicans voted against saving students money.

As Republicans continue to lose on this issue, they continue to create New Democrats.

(4) Gun control: Every mass shooting you hear, don't blame guns blame the perpetrators. True on many cases, but in reality many in the middle want a balance between gun ownership and safety.

Until Republicans start finding a way to solve these issues for the masses they won't compete I the swing states and further red states will turn blue like VA, CO and NV. Right now the only way for Trump to win is if he turns 1 of 2 left leaning state (PA or MI) and wins FL or OH.

Blast me if you want, but these are the 4 issues that the GOP needs to get serious about if they don't want to go the way of the Whigs.

Those that fought the British crown in the American Revolution were outnumbered by those who did not support them.

If you want to rule with majority rule, then someone like Hitler is your guy. Hitler was the first modern day Progressive. He created a centralized government and funneled all the money to two sources, welfare and the military. This way he kept the support of a war weary populace as he ran up so much debt the government would have become insolvent had they not gone to war.

Hitler also wanted gun control, was an ardent environmentalists and animal rights activist, and he hated Jews, something modern day Progs seem to have in common.

 

[Old Rocks]

They still have a strong base, but they can't compete in the long run.

It comes down to 4 issues that turn the middle on them:
(1) Healthcare: I get it single payer and government run health insurance we 'hear' is a disaster, yet European countries will not do away with it any time soon. However you never get a plan other than status quo. I hear the sell across state lines bullshit, but those insurers have to follow state law and I guarantee this added competition wouldn't change a thing, but it is a great talking point. Second you hear health savings accounts. Which are already hear and while good aren't even close to the answer. Obaminationcare is bad but it at least go rid of the insurer practice of pre-existing condition riders (meaning once your sick no one would insure you), drop you after you get sick and skyrocket rates after you get sick. Obaminationcare is bad, but status quo was horrible also. Conservatives lose many middle class voters on this issue, because they never present any real plan.

(2) Abortion: You used to be able to hold the stance, ban on later term abortions and no abortions after 1 trimester except for rape, incest or mother's life is in danger. Now during the primaries the only acceptable stance is "no abortion, no exceptions. Not for rape or incest victims, not if the fetus has birth defects, not for teenagers and some won't even allow if the mother's life is in danger. Sorry but this turns off many independents and women.

(3) Higher Education: Most jobs require a college degree. The few that don't are lower paying and in shrinking industries, such as manufacturing. The fact of the matter is higher education cost upwards of $120k. Young people start their lives in a boatload of debt. These are voters who hear one side at least talk about trying to forgive debt, help pay for it and lower rates.

Then you have the GOP who complain about what the colleges charge and basically stop there. They wouldn't pass the bill to lower interest rates. While there are good arguments why they did that. Voters with student loan debt only saw that republicans voted against saving students money.

As Republicans continue to lose on this issue, they continue to create New Democrats.

(4) Gun control: Every mass shooting you hear, don't blame guns blame the perpetrators. True on many cases, but in reality many in the middle want a balance between gun ownership and safety.

Until Republicans start finding a way to solve these issues for the masses they won't compete I the swing states and further red states will turn blue like VA, CO and NV. Right now the only way for Trump to win is if he turns 1 of 2 left leaning state (PA or MI) and wins FL or OH.

Blast me if you want, but these are the 4 issues that the GOP needs to get serious about if they don't want to go the way of the Whigs.

Those that fought the British crown in the American Revolution were outnumbered by those who did not support them.

If you want to rule with majority rule, then someone like Hitler is your guy. Hitler was the first modern day Progressive. He created a centralized government and funneled all the money to two sources, welfare and the military. This way he kept the support of a war weary populace as he ran up so much debt the government would have become insolvent had they not gone to war.

Hitler also wanted gun control, was an ardent environmentalists and animal rights activist, and he hated Jews, something modern day Progs seem to have in common.

Silly ass. Who is the Alt-right backing?

 

[Votto]

Here is what the left thinks of the Jew.

 

[bendog]

(1) Healthcare: I get it single payer and government run health insurance we 'hear' is a disaster, yet European countries will not do away with it any time soon. However you never get a plan other than status quo. I hear the sell across state lines bullshit, but those insurers have to follow state law and I guarantee this added competition wouldn't change a thing, but it is a great talking point.

Auto insurance, life insurance, and home insurance are sold across state lines. So your argument is exploded by reality.

You should be buying your health insurance the exact same way you buy your auto, life, and home insurance.

Yeah, it was just that the gop was forced to use that truth to push policy that effectively cut the pay of those getting HC insurance as a benefit.

 

[owebo]

Says who??

 

[bendog]

When you can fix Democrat stupidity and media lying about gun issues then we can discuss it.

Same old bullshit and FOX inspired nonsense...."democrats are stupid" and the "media is against us".....(with the obvious candid admission that FOX is NOT media)........

Just a preemptive excuse as to why right wingers will lose this November, and lose with historical numbers, thanks to the Trumpeters.

I think the thread is useful because it looks at why the gop has lost the popular vote in five of the last six potus elections.

Trump is an entirely different story. The fact is that if you had a goper and a dem with exactly the same negative rating, but in the 20's rather than 50%plus, the gop would still be less likely to win. Trump may be useful to the gop in the longterm, because his not evenly disguised appeal to racists, is forcing some debate on not just why a whites's only party is a losing strategy but also an anti-American one. But, the gop will not become the truly maj party just by saying "we love our latinos and blacks." The gop has to be seen as the party that will improve their lives.

 

[Votto]

When you can fix Democrat stupidity and media lying about gun issues then we can discuss it.

Same old bullshit and FOX inspired nonsense...."democrats are stupid" and the "media is against us".....(with the obvious candid admission that FOX is NOT media)........

Just a preemptive excuse as to why right wingers will lose this November, and lose with historical numbers, thanks to the Trumpeters.

I think the thread is useful because it looks at why the gop has lost the popular vote in five of the last six potus elections.

Trump is an entirely different story. The fact is that if you had a goper and a dem with exactly the same negative rating, but in the 20's rather than 50%plus, the gop would still be less likely to win. Trump may be useful to the gop in the longterm, because his not evenly disguised appeal to racists, is forcing some debate on not just why a whites's only party is a losing strategy but also an anti-American one. But, the gop will not become the truly maj party just by saying "we love our latinos and blacks." The gop has to be seen as the party that will improve their lives.

The US is down to one party now.

It worked for the former USSR, why not the US?

 

[g5000]

(1) Healthcare: I get it single payer and government run health insurance we 'hear' is a disaster, yet European countries will not do away with it any time soon. However you never get a plan other than status quo. I hear the sell across state lines bullshit, but those insurers have to follow state law and I guarantee this added competition wouldn't change a thing, but it is a great talking point.

Auto insurance, life insurance, and home insurance are sold across state lines. So your argument is exploded by reality.

You should be buying your health insurance the exact same way you buy your auto, life, and home insurance.

Yeah, it was just that the gop was forced to use that truth to push policy that effectively cut the pay of those getting HC insurance as a benefit.

Employer-sponsored health insurance (ESHI) needs to go away. It bends the cost curve up, and it costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year.

ESHI holds you hostage. It's a take-it-or-leave-it proposition. You have no real choice. You have ZERO leverage.

And yet when I want to buy auto insurance, I can call any auto insurance company in the country I wish. This gives me MAXIMUM bargaining leverage.

 

[Dragonlady]

Those that fought the British crown in the American Revolution were outnumbered by those who did not support them.

If you want to rule with majority rule, then someone like Hitler is your guy. Hitler was the first modern day Progressive. He created a centralized government and funneled all the money to two sources, welfare and the military. This way he kept the support of a war weary populace as he ran up so much debt the government would have become insolvent had they not gone to war.

Hitler also wanted gun control, was an ardent environmentalists and animal rights activist, and he hated Jews, something modern day Progs seem to have in common.

The battle between liberalism and conservatism is the battle between progress and stagnation. Liberals have always stood for freedom and progress, and conservatives for maintaining the status quo.

Hilter wasn's a liberal, he was an extreme right-wing authoritarian dictator. Nazism is a right-wing belief system. Notice how today's Nazi's, the skinheads and the white supremacists, are all members of the right-wing Republican Party.

 

[bendog]

(1) Healthcare: I get it single payer and government run health insurance we 'hear' is a disaster, yet European countries will not do away with it any time soon. However you never get a plan other than status quo. I hear the sell across state lines bullshit, but those insurers have to follow state law and I guarantee this added competition wouldn't change a thing, but it is a great talking point.

Auto insurance, life insurance, and home insurance are sold across state lines. So your argument is exploded by reality.

You should be buying your health insurance the exact same way you buy your auto, life, and home insurance.

Yeah, it was just that the gop was forced to use that truth to push policy that effectively cut the pay of those getting HC insurance as a benefit.

Employer-sponsored health insurance (ESHI) needs to go away. It bends the cost curve up, and it costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year.

ESHI holds you hostage. It's a take-it-or-leave-it proposition. You have no real choice. You have ZERO leverage.

And yet when I want to buy auto insurance, I can call any auto insurance company in the country I wish. This gives me MAXIMUM bargaining leverage.

No debate as to market efficiency in a market based system. But the fact remains that ESHI has been a bargaining chip for over 50 years now. If a party wants to blow that up, and shift all the cost to workers .... people are not going to elect the party.

 

[alang1216]

I don't see the compassion towards children in continuing policies that rewards unwed teenagers from getting more money for each fatherless child they produce.

I understand that you don't see the need for compassion. Sad.

 

[bendog]

I don't see the compassion towards children in continuing policies that rewards unwed teenagers from getting more money for each fatherless child they produce.

I understand that you don't see the need for compassion. Sad.

Never end a sentence with a fragment "sad" YOu sound like Trump that way. (-:

Actually, I think both parties are broken on how they view poverty.

 

[Wyatt earp]

(1) Healthcare: I get it single payer and government run health insurance we 'hear' is a disaster, yet European countries will not do away with it any time soon. However you never get a plan other than status quo. I hear the sell across state lines bullshit, but those insurers have to follow state law and I guarantee this added competition wouldn't change a thing, but it is a great talking point.

Auto insurance, life insurance, and home insurance are sold across state lines. So your argument is exploded by reality.

You should be buying your health insurance the exact same way you buy your auto, life, and home insurance.

Don't know about all states, but I know Georgia and south carolina you can not have out of state car insurance.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hey clueless hack!

Who has control of the House and Senate? Who has the most state governors?

How are you that stupid and still able to use technology to broadcast your stupidity?

Who hasn't passed a single major piece of legislation advancing the conservative agenda in years? Oh right, the GOP.

 

[nat4900]

The battle between liberalism and conservatism is the battle between progress and stagnation. Liberals have always stood for freedom and progress, and conservatives for maintaining the status quo.

I've concluded....without unnecessary prejudices.....that democrats have taken up the platform of "inclusion", while republicans have staunchly defended an ideology which, as the last couple of decades have shown...is mostly anachronistic.

 

[g5000]

(1) Healthcare: I get it single payer and government run health insurance we 'hear' is a disaster, yet European countries will not do away with it any time soon. However you never get a plan other than status quo. I hear the sell across state lines bullshit, but those insurers have to follow state law and I guarantee this added competition wouldn't change a thing, but it is a great talking point.

Auto insurance, life insurance, and home insurance are sold across state lines. So your argument is exploded by reality.

You should be buying your health insurance the exact same way you buy your auto, life, and home insurance.

Yeah, it was just that the gop was forced to use that truth to push policy that effectively cut the pay of those getting HC insurance as a benefit.

Employer-sponsored health insurance (ESHI) needs to go away. It bends the cost curve up, and it costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year.

ESHI holds you hostage. It's a take-it-or-leave-it proposition. You have no real choice. You have ZERO leverage.

And yet when I want to buy auto insurance, I can call any auto insurance company in the country I wish. This gives me MAXIMUM bargaining leverage.

No debate as to market efficiency in a market based system. But the fact remains that ESHI has been a bargaining chip for over 50 years now. If a party wants to blow that up, and shift all the cost to workers .... people are not going to elect the party.

Do you consider the fact that you buy your own auto insurance as your employer "shifting all cost to the workers" for auto insurance?

You have become way too used to being a hostage. Stockholm Syndrome.

ESHI is a labor union boondoggle that is damaging us badly. That was the very first thing which tipped me off to ObamaCare being a con when I read the first draft: The fact it more deeply embedded ESHI.

 

[alang1216]

I understand that you don't see the need for compassion. Sad.

Never end a sentence with a fragment "sad" YOu sound like Trump that way. (-:

Actually, I think both parties are broken on how they view poverty.

Thanks for the advice. We will never end poverty since it is a relative measure. We just need a plan on how to deal with that doesn't punish the innocent. I don't think anyone wants the government to raise the kids except as an absolute last resort, so we need to try to deal with the parents, no matter how broken the family. I've always found carrots are better than sticks.