Why A "Good Guy with a Gun" is Bullshit

[mgh80]

A guy without a gun has 100% chance of missing.

Again, you are not trying to make a bad situation good, or expecting perfection, you are trying to make a bad situation less bad.

That kind of wishful thinking is why the good guy with gun fantasy is so dangerous.
It's a simple equation more guns=more bullets = more deaths.
The only workable solutions involve more security measures and more trained guards
In public places.

I don't know of anyone that fantasizes about this shit except gun grabber leftists. Where are YOUR examples of ccw holders taking each other out?

You stupid assholes demand proof to fictitious ill defined scenarios and pull whatever you want out of your rears for evidence.

2 Concealed Carry Holders Kill Each Other In Road Rage Incident

-That's not completely "random"

-That's not mass shooting

-How many of the mass shooters (which is what the issue really is) have had concealed carried? I honestly don't know, but I haven't heard that they do/did.

Rationalizing.

Facts.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

These were monsters who created police states and enforced military coups in order to achieve a dictatorship. That's not gun control.

They just all coincidentally started with gun control so an unarmed populace would be absolutely powerless to stop them

 

[Iceweasel]

This is the reality of being in an active shooting situation, whether it's a crowded store or a building with hallways and several levels.

So say you actually pull your gun out and stay in place until you are found? You have a lot of explaining to do when the cops arrive, and explain very quickly.

Mother Shoots Intruder in Her Child's Bedroom.

An Oregon mother shot and killed an intruder she found inside one of her children’s bedrooms early Sunday, according to police.

The 33-year-old woman had just returned to her Southeast Portland home with her two children, ages 5 and 10, when she encountered the man, KOIN 5 reported.

According to local news reports, the woman used her own handgun to shoot the 59-year-old man. The names of the woman and the intruder have not been publicly released.

Police are working to determine why the man was inside the home. A neighbor told KOIN that the home had been vacant for some time before the woman and her children moved in.

“I know when the previous renters were there, there was a lot of mischief,” neighbor Amber Murray told the station.

The woman is reportedly cooperating with investigators and the case will be sent to the Multnomah County District Attorney’s office for review.

You're mixing apples with oranges. This guy also seems to have been unarmed.

In a war of wits you are decidedly unarmed.

In a room full of nitwits you're the winner.

I don't hang out with libs so wouldn't be in the room with you.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, if I'm in an active shooter situation my other option is having no ability to defend myself.

Would I rather hide or hide with a gun in case the shooter finds me?

What a stupid fuckin' thread....

it was started by a low-information Progressive

 

[Iceweasel]

The problem or should I say one of the many problems with martyrbegan's theory is unless the good guy has a clear shot it's more than likely he will miss due to the inability to concentrate on the target due to the fluid nature of group of people in a panic.

A guy without a gun has 100% chance of missing.

Again, you are not trying to make a bad situation good, or expecting perfection, you are trying to make a bad situation less bad.

That kind of wishful thinking is why the good guy with gun fantasy is so dangerous.
It's a simple equation more guns=more bullets = more deaths.
The only workable solutions involve more security measures and more trained guards
In public places.

I don't know of anyone that fantasizes about this shit except gun grabber leftists. Where are YOUR examples of ccw holders taking each other out?

You stupid assholes demand proof to fictitious ill defined scenarios and pull whatever you want out of your rears for evidence.

2 Concealed Carry Holders Kill Each Other In Road Rage Incident

That's not what we were discussing, genius. We were talking about ccw holders shooting each other by accident. It's like talking to five year olds.

 

[daws101]

Your premise is wrong at the most basic level. The correct mode of action for a CCW holder is to hold in place, and if the shooter tries to enter the area he controls, take him out.

Private CCW holders can be compared to a minefield, what you are hoping for is the active shooter doesn't expect armed resistance and the CCW holder can get some shots in before the active shooter realizes he is being confronted.

If you hold in place and you hear someone coming down a blind hallway, do you shout out and ask if they are the police, the shooter or another good guy? If it's the shooter, you're shit out of luck, aren't you? If it's the police they may not believe you are a good guy. They may think you're the shooter trying to save his sorry ass.

And if you hold in place but can hear the shooter actively killing people in another part of the building, what do you do? Your gun becomes a joke to the people who are dying.

So you should check YOUR premise for reality.

No, if the shooter walks up to you and you don't have a gun. You are shit out of luck. If you have a gun at least you have a chance.

Not always not even 50% of the time.
If the shooter has the gun out and is firing or is got a bead on you .

Whatever if it increases my chance by 1% I'll take it over 0% chance. I bet the guy in the bathroom in the Orlando incident wished he had a gun. He texted his mother for over 10 minutes I believe. Saying he was fixing to die.

Bahahahaha!

 

[Fueri]

So, if I'm in an active shooter situation my other option is having no ability to defend myself.

Would I rather hide or hide with a gun in case the shooter finds me?

What a stupid fuckin' thread....

it was started by a low-information Progressive

Yep, there's no reason to have a gun and you CERTAINLY don't want one if someone is running around trying to shoot you. That's the last thing you'd want.

If I roll my eyes any harder my optic nerves are going to snap.....

 

[jknowgood]

Your premise is wrong at the most basic level. The correct mode of action for a CCW holder is to hold in place, and if the shooter tries to enter the area he controls, take him out.

Private CCW holders can be compared to a minefield, what you are hoping for is the active shooter doesn't expect armed resistance and the CCW holder can get some shots in before the active shooter realizes he is being confronted.

If you hold in place and you hear someone coming down a blind hallway, do you shout out and ask if they are the police, the shooter or another good guy? If it's the shooter, you're shit out of luck, aren't you? If it's the police they may not believe you are a good guy. They may think you're the shooter trying to save his sorry ass.

And if you hold in place but can hear the shooter actively killing people in another part of the building, what do you do? Your gun becomes a joke to the people who are dying.

So you should check YOUR premise for reality.

No, if the shooter walks up to you and you don't have a gun. You are shit out of luck. If you have a gun at least you have a chance.

Not always not even 50% of the time.
If the shooter has the gun out and is firing or is got a bead on you .

Whatever if it increases my chance by 1% I'll take it over 0% chance. I bet the guy in the bathroom in the Orlando incident wished he had a gun. He texted his mother for over 10 minutes I believe. Saying he was fixing to die.

Bahahahaha!

Truth hurts, don't it?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Your premise is wrong at the most basic level. The correct mode of action for a CCW holder is to hold in place, and if the shooter tries to enter the area he controls, take him out.

Private CCW holders can be compared to a minefield, what you are hoping for is the active shooter doesn't expect armed resistance and the CCW holder can get some shots in before the active shooter realizes he is being confronted.

You're dealing with Shitflinger and NoIQPointsPlease, you can't reason with them.

 

[daws101]

The problem or should I say one of the many problems with martyrbegan's theory is unless the good guy has a clear shot it's more than likely he will miss due to the inability to concentrate on the target due to the fluid nature of group of people in a panic.

A guy without a gun has 100% chance of missing.

Again, you are not trying to make a bad situation good, or expecting perfection, you are trying to make a bad situation less bad.

That kind of wishful thinking is why the good guy with gun fantasy is so dangerous.
It's a simple equation more guns=more bullets = more deaths.
The only workable solutions involve more security measures and more trained guards
In public places.

I don't know of anyone that fantasizes about this shit except gun grabber leftists. Where are YOUR examples of ccw holders taking each other out?

You stupid assholes demand proof to fictitious ill defined scenarios and pull whatever you want out of your rears for evidence.

2 Concealed Carry Holders Kill Each Other In Road Rage Incident

That's not what we were discussing, genius. We were talking about ccw holders shooting each other by accident. It's like talking to five year olds.

You asked for examples of ccw taking each other out.
And I gave you one.

 

[Iceweasel]

A guy without a gun has 100% chance of missing.

Again, you are not trying to make a bad situation good, or expecting perfection, you are trying to make a bad situation less bad.

That kind of wishful thinking is why the good guy with gun fantasy is so dangerous.
It's a simple equation more guns=more bullets = more deaths.
The only workable solutions involve more security measures and more trained guards
In public places.

I don't know of anyone that fantasizes about this shit except gun grabber leftists. Where are YOUR examples of ccw holders taking each other out?

You stupid assholes demand proof to fictitious ill defined scenarios and pull whatever you want out of your rears for evidence.

2 Concealed Carry Holders Kill Each Other In Road Rage Incident

That's not what we were discussing, genius. We were talking about ccw holders shooting each other by accident. It's like talking to five year olds.

You asked for examples of ccw taking each other out.
And I gave you one.

I forgot I was talking to children.

 

[daws101]

If you hold in place and you hear someone coming down a blind hallway, do you shout out and ask if they are the police, the shooter or another good guy? If it's the shooter, you're shit out of luck, aren't you? If it's the police they may not believe you are a good guy. They may think you're the shooter trying to save his sorry ass.

And if you hold in place but can hear the shooter actively killing people in another part of the building, what do you do? Your gun becomes a joke to the people who are dying.

So you should check YOUR premise for reality.

No, if the shooter walks up to you and you don't have a gun. You are shit out of luck. If you have a gun at least you have a chance.

Not always not even 50% of the time.
If the shooter has the gun out and is firing or is got a bead on you .

Whatever if it increases my chance by 1% I'll take it over 0% chance. I bet the guy in the bathroom in the Orlando incident wished he had a gun. He texted his mother for over 10 minutes I believe. Saying he was fixing to die.

Bahahahaha!

Truth hurts, don't it?

What truth?
You as always were tub thumping.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Not always not even 50% of the time.
If the shooter has the gun out and is firing or is got a bead on you .

10% is better than 0%, stupid.

 

[jknowgood]

No, if the shooter walks up to you and you don't have a gun. You are shit out of luck. If you have a gun at least you have a chance.

Not always not even 50% of the time.
If the shooter has the gun out and is firing or is got a bead on you .

Whatever if it increases my chance by 1% I'll take it over 0% chance. I bet the guy in the bathroom in the Orlando incident wished he had a gun. He texted his mother for over 10 minutes I believe. Saying he was fixing to die.

Bahahahaha!

Truth hurts, don't it?

What truth?
You as always were tub thumping.

The truth about any percent chance is a lot better than no chance. Like I said the guy that was in the bathroom texting his mother in the Orlando shooting that got killed wished he had a gun.

 

[Uncensored2008]

These were monsters who created police states and enforced military coups in order to achieve a dictatorship. That's not gun control.

So people pretty much like you, then?

 

[daws101]

[
Not always not even 50% of the time.
If the shooter has the gun out and is firing or is got a bead on you .

10% is better than 0%, stupid.

Never helped you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's not what we were discussing, genius. We were talking about ccw holders shooting each other by accident. It's like talking to five year olds.

You have to forgive duhs, in order that he might be a more obedient drone for his masters in the party, he had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a stalk of broccoli.

When dealing with a vegetable, one must lower their expectations.

 

[daws101]

Not always not even 50% of the time.
If the shooter has the gun out and is firing or is got a bead on you .

Whatever if it increases my chance by 1% I'll take it over 0% chance. I bet the guy in the bathroom in the Orlando incident wished he had a gun. He texted his mother for over 10 minutes I believe. Saying he was fixing to die.

Bahahahaha!

Truth hurts, don't it?

What truth?
You as always were tub thumping.

The truth about any percent chance is a lot better than no chance. Like I said the guy that was in the bathroom texting his mother in the Orlando shooting that got killed wished he had a gun.

DoYou realize how stupid and meaningless that example is ?
The guy and everyone else who ran into the bathrooms basically killed themselves.

 

[daws101]

That's not what we were discussing, genius. We were talking about ccw holders shooting each other by accident. It's like talking to five year olds.

You have to forgive duhs, in order that he might be a more obedient drone for his masters in the party, he had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a stalk of broccoli.

When dealing with a vegetable, one must lower their expectations.

Yawn. ..

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Never helped you.

Because I was shot????

duhs "brain."