Whose hand is in the cookie jar.

[Old Rocks]

Who is raking off the money?

We spent 17.6% of our GDP on health care last year. And failed to cover nearly 15% of our population. With results that are third world.

Japan spent 8% of their GDP, and covered everyone of their citizens.

In the US, hundreds of thousands with insurance still went bankrupt because of medical bills. Nobody in Japan, Germany, Canada, et cet went bankrupt because of medical bills.

So we are spending over twice as much per citizen for our health care system, not covering all of our citizens, and getting inferior results.

That seems to say that at least a trillion has been skimmed from the system. How else to account for the fact that we are paying twice as much and getting a product inferior even to the system in Costa Rica.

NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Costs

National health spending is expected to reach $2.5 trillion in 2009, accounting for 17.6 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP). By 2018, national health care expenditures are expected to reach $4.4 trillion—more than double 2007 spending.1

 

[Oddball]

More GIGO.

Part of the reason Americans spend more on medical services is for the best reason in the world...Because we can.

 

[driveby]

You lie !

 

[Old Rocks]

You lie !

Prove it.

 

[Old Rocks]

More GIGO.

Part of the reason Americans spend more on medical services is for the best reason in the world...Because we can.

I see. You really enjoy paying Cadillac prices for a Yugo?

But then, you are Dooodeee.......

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I guess you missed all those stories a while back about Japanese citizens DYING because no hospital would take them.

 

[Oddball]

More GIGO.

Part of the reason Americans spend more on medical services is for the best reason in the world...Because we can.

I see. You really enjoy paying Cadillac prices for a Yugo?

But then, you are Dooodeee.......

Irrelevant and worthless attempt at analogy.

Besides that, prices for out-of-pocket procedures like Lasik and plastic surgery have actually come down over the last several years.

 

[Old Rocks]

I guess you missed all those stories a while back about Japanese citizens DYING because no hospital would take them.

Really? Is that why the Japanese have the highest average lifespan of any nation in the world?

Yes, I did miss those stories. More than likely because they are just that, unsubstanciated blather and lies.

 

[driveby]

You lie !

Prove it.

An Ill-Conceived Health-Care Ranking - WSJ.com

Germany's Socialized Health-Care System Isn't Working - WSJ.com

 

[driveby]

I guess you missed all those stories a while back about Japanese citizens DYING because no hospital would take them.

Really? Is that why the Japanese have the highest average lifespan of any nation in the world?

Yes, I did miss those stories. More than likely because they are just that, unsubstanciated blather and lies.

What idiots like you and the people that come up with these skewed statistics don't take into account are things like murders, auto crash deaths, drug addiction, obesity, etc ....

All of which are more rampant in the U.S. than these socialist utopia's. Only a fucking idiot or a liar would believe and/or preach that the U.S. actually has the 37th best healthcare system in the world.......

 

[Old Rocks]

Only an idiot would defend abject failure. We pay twice as much as almost everybody else, and your arguement is that we are not truly 37th, we may only be 34th.

We pay more than everybody else, we should be #1. We are far from it. As for your other 'reasons', do you honestly believe that these other nations have no drug addicts or obese people? In fact, in many of them, they can get free 'fixes', so as not to support the criminal class.

 

[Old Rocks]

Over two trillion dollars last year, well over twice as much per covered citizen, and we still are recieving a lessor product than the other industrial nations. Where does over 50% of that money really go?

 

[driveby]

Over two trillion dollars last year, well over twice as much per covered citizen, and we still are recieving a lessor product than the other industrial nations. Where does over 50% of that money really go?

Jesus christ, kool aid alert ..........

 

[Oddball]

Only an idiot would defend abject failure. ....

Which is what makes you the idiot, for claiming that the people who've never ever contained the costs for anything are going to pull it off this time around.

 

[Chris]

Only an idiot would defend abject failure. ....

Which is what makes you the idiot, for claiming that the people who've never ever contained the costs for anything are going to pull it off this time around.

Because it can be done and has been done all over the world except for here.

Why?

Because we have a system that rewards companies for denying coverage and charging as much as possible.

 

[alan1]

Who is raking off the money?

We spent 17.6% of our GDP on health care last year. And failed to cover nearly 15% of our population. With results that are third world.

Japan spent 8% of their GDP, and covered everyone of their citizens.

In the US, hundreds of thousands with insurance still went bankrupt because of medical bills. Nobody in Japan, Germany, Canada, et cet went bankrupt because of medical bills.

So we are spending over twice as much per citizen for our health care system, not covering all of our citizens, and getting inferior results.

That seems to say that at least a trillion has been skimmed from the system. How else to account for the fact that we are paying twice as much and getting a product inferior even to the system in Costa Rica.

NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Costs

National health spending is expected to reach $2.5 trillion in 2009, accounting for 17.6 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP). By 2018, national health care expenditures are expected to reach $4.4 trillion—more than double 2007 spending.1

Obesity is the single largest detriment to health, and the most preventable form of poor health.

Obesity rate in the US 30.6%
Obesity rate in Japan 3.2%
Here are the facts, Obesity statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
I'd say we are doing pretty good if we only spend twice as much for almost ten times the number of fat-asses bleeding the medical system dry.

 

[Chris]

Who is raking off the money?

We spent 17.6% of our GDP on health care last year. And failed to cover nearly 15% of our population. With results that are third world.

Japan spent 8% of their GDP, and covered everyone of their citizens.

In the US, hundreds of thousands with insurance still went bankrupt because of medical bills. Nobody in Japan, Germany, Canada, et cet went bankrupt because of medical bills.

So we are spending over twice as much per citizen for our health care system, not covering all of our citizens, and getting inferior results.

That seems to say that at least a trillion has been skimmed from the system. How else to account for the fact that we are paying twice as much and getting a product inferior even to the system in Costa Rica.

NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Costs

National health spending is expected to reach $2.5 trillion in 2009, accounting for 17.6 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP). By 2018, national health care expenditures are expected to reach $4.4 trillion—more than double 2007 spending.1

It's amazing isn't it?

And yet these fools while defend it to the last, even though it is killing our economy and wordwide competitiveness.

 

[WillowTree]

hey old nuts! how much money has Japan poured into medical research and free care for folks from around the world???? How many new life saving drugs has Japan graced the world with??? Got any facts???? How many illegal aliens does Japan educate and provide free medical care for??? Got any facts??? You lying DUmbasses always overlook the facts donchya?

 

[Old Rocks]

Only an idiot would defend abject failure. ....

Which is what makes you the idiot, for claiming that the people who've never ever contained the costs for anything are going to pull it off this time around.

Look at who is talking about cost containment! You support a system that we pay twice as much for an inferior product, then you blather on about cost containment.

If all that was accomplished was covering all of our citizens, and preventing the plague of medical bankruptcies, without raising the present costs, it would be a fantastic achievement.

 

[Old Rocks]

Who is raking off the money?

We spent 17.6% of our GDP on health care last year. And failed to cover nearly 15% of our population. With results that are third world.

Japan spent 8% of their GDP, and covered everyone of their citizens.

In the US, hundreds of thousands with insurance still went bankrupt because of medical bills. Nobody in Japan, Germany, Canada, et cet went bankrupt because of medical bills.

So we are spending over twice as much per citizen for our health care system, not covering all of our citizens, and getting inferior results.

That seems to say that at least a trillion has been skimmed from the system. How else to account for the fact that we are paying twice as much and getting a product inferior even to the system in Costa Rica.

NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Costs

National health spending is expected to reach $2.5 trillion in 2009, accounting for 17.6 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP). By 2018, national health care expenditures are expected to reach $4.4 trillion—more than double 2007 spending.1

Obesity is the single largest detriment to health, and the most preventable form of poor health.

Obesity rate in the US 30.6%
Obesity rate in Japan 3.2%
Here are the facts, Obesity statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
I'd say we are doing pretty good if we only spend twice as much for almost ten times the number of fat-asses bleeding the medical system dry.

I see. And how do you intend to address the problem? And how does that affect the fact that we are not covering a significant portion of our population?