Who's the conspiracy theorist?

[SAYIT]

of its 3,000 acres, 175 were secured on september 11, 2001, to receive the remains of the world trade center. Those acres became a new york police department crime scene while the other fields were left to return to a natural state.

The operation at fresh kills had three objectives: To find human remains, personal effects, and any evidence of the terrorist attack such as a highjacker’s box cutter, cell phones from the planes, and the black boxes. The recovery operation evolved from simple hand-sorting into an elaborate machine-sifting and sorting process. All the material was carefully sorted to find objects down to one-quarter of an inch in size.

The recovery operation at the fresh kills facility was under the management of federal bureau of investigation special agent richard marx, new york police department inspector james luongo, and new york police department lieutenant bruce bovino.

recovery — fresh kills


recovery
on the night of september
12, 2001
the fresh kills
landfill on staten island
was designated a crime
scene and trucks began
arriving from ground zero
with steel and
crushed
debris that was
once
the world trade center.
Over the next ten months,
an operation to recover
human remains, personal
effects and the objects
of everyday life from 1.8
million tons of material was
undertaken by the new
york police department,
an fbi evidence recovery
team, twenty-five state
and federal agencies, and
fourteen private contractors.
The story of this operation
unfolds in many rare images
and compelling objects that
are now preserved for history.
Thousands of detectives,
agents, and forensic evidence
specialists worked around
the clock to recover rem-
nants of the lives lost
at the world trade center.
Over 1.7 million hours were
spent working at the landfill.
The exhibition photographs,
taken over several months,
document the immense
task

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibits/longterm/documents/recovery.pdf



but remember, there was no investigation.......

no there was not a proper investigation.. shifting through debris for trinkets is hardly relevant are you trying to imply they would of found visible evidence of explosives they where not even looking for ???...is that the irrational thought you trying to imply???

Face it, Id, you would reject any investigation findings that did not jell with your CT.

 

[SAYIT]

so you support the NIST collapse theory ??

and they would be what ?

given what I saw on 9/11 (on TV) the NIST findings are still by far the best explanation of what happened.
What I find absurd are the "findings" of 9/11 CT "experts" like Alex Jones whose self-serving silliness seems an excuse to "earn a living" from gullible not-too-bright CT loons.

WHAT ABOUT THESE FELLOWS ?


Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,500 Architects and Engineers:

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

No amount of evidence will dissuade a conspiracy theorist, but when they appeal to scientific evidence, they're fair game. And the 9-11 conspiracy sites have some very strange science.
9-11 conspirators seem to be a mix of liberals still smarting over 2000 and ultra-conservatives angry that George Bush Jr. hasn't opened the national parks to a land rush. But if Dubya orchestrated a massive conspiracy to bring down the World Trade Center as a pretext for launching a Mideast War, why didn't he pull off the far simpler trick of faking the discovery of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Think of it - his biggest political liability could have been avoided with a piddling investment in special effects, Bush would be seen as America's savior, his strategy would be completely vindicated, and he'd be politically unassailable. All it would take would be spritzing an empty factory with the ingredients for nerve gas, with just enough cross-contamination to create a whiff of the real thing. Yet for some strange reason he didn't do it. - Steve Dutch, retired professor of Natural and Applied Sciences at University of Wisconsin, Green Bay

Nutty 9-11 Physics

 

[LoudMcCloud]

The objective of disinformation is not to convince you of one point of view or another, it is to create enough uncertainty so that everything is believable and nothing is knowable. " -- James Fetzer

 

[eots]

of its 3,000 acres, 175 were secured on september 11, 2001, to receive the remains of the world trade center. Those acres became a new york police department crime scene while the other fields were left to return to a natural state.

The operation at fresh kills had three objectives: To find human remains, personal effects, and any evidence of the terrorist attack such as a highjacker’s box cutter, cell phones from the planes, and the black boxes. The recovery operation evolved from simple hand-sorting into an elaborate machine-sifting and sorting process. All the material was carefully sorted to find objects down to one-quarter of an inch in size.

The recovery operation at the fresh kills facility was under the management of federal bureau of investigation special agent richard marx, new york police department inspector james luongo, and new york police department lieutenant bruce bovino.

recovery — fresh kills

such as ?
recovery
on the night of september
12, 2001
the fresh kills
landfill on staten island
was designated a crime
scene and trucks began
arriving from ground zero
with steel and
crushed
debris that was
once
the world trade center.
Over the next ten months,
an operation to recover
human remains, personal
effects and the objects
of everyday life from 1.8
million tons of material was
undertaken by the new
york police department,
an fbi evidence recovery
team, twenty-five state
and federal agencies, and
fourteen private contractors.
The story of this operation
unfolds in many rare images
and compelling objects that
are now preserved for history.
Thousands of detectives,
agents, and forensic evidence
specialists worked around
the clock to recover rem-
nants of the lives lost
at the world trade center.
Over 1.7 million hours were
spent working at the landfill.
The exhibition photographs,
taken over several months,
document the immense
task

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibits/longterm/documents/recovery.pdf



but remember, there was no investigation.......

no there was not a proper investigation.. shifting through debris for trinkets is hardly relevant are you trying to imply they would of found visible evidence of explosives they where not even looking for ???...is that the irrational thought you trying to imply???

Face it, Id, you would reject any investigation findings that did not jell with your CT.

such as ?

 

[eots]

and they would be what ?



WHAT ABOUT THESE FELLOWS ?


Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,500 Architects and Engineers:

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

No amount of evidence will dissuade a conspiracy theorist, but when they appeal to scientific evidence, they're fair game. And the 9-11 conspiracy sites have some very strange science.
9-11 conspirators seem to be a mix of liberals still smarting over 2000 and ultra-conservatives angry that George Bush Jr. hasn't opened the national parks to a land rush. But if Dubya orchestrated a massive conspiracy to bring down the World Trade Center as a pretext for launching a Mideast War, why didn't he pull off the far simpler trick of faking the discovery of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Think of it - his biggest political liability could have been avoided with a piddling investment in special effects, Bush would be seen as America's savior, his strategy would be completely vindicated, and he'd be politically unassailable. All it would take would be spritzing an empty factory with the ingredients for nerve gas, with just enough cross-contamination to create a whiff of the real thing. Yet for some strange reason he didn't do it. - Steve Dutch, retired professor of Natural and Applied Sciences at University of Wisconsin, Green Bay

Nutty 9-11 Physics

this is what you call science...lol no wonder you are so deluded ..this editorial rant explains away wtc 7 how ?

 

[eots]

and they would be what ?



WHAT ABOUT THESE FELLOWS ?


Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,500 Architects and Engineers:

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

No amount of evidence will dissuade a conspiracy theorist, but when they appeal to scientific evidence, they're fair game. And the 9-11 conspiracy sites have some very strange science.
9-11 conspirators seem to be a mix of liberals still smarting over 2000 and ultra-conservatives angry that George Bush Jr. hasn't opened the national parks to a land rush. But if Dubya orchestrated a massive conspiracy to bring down the World Trade Center as a pretext for launching a Mideast War, why didn't he pull off the far simpler trick of faking the discovery of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Think of it - his biggest political liability could have been avoided with a piddling investment in special effects, Bush would be seen as America's savior, his strategy would be completely vindicated, and he'd be politically unassailable. All it would take would be spritzing an empty factory with the ingredients for nerve gas, with just enough cross-contamination to create a whiff of the real thing. Yet for some strange reason he didn't do it. - Steve Dutch, retired professor of Natural and Applied Sciences at University of Wisconsin, Green Bay

Nutty 9-11 Physics

this is what you call science ?...lol no wonder you are so deluded ..this editorial rant you post explains away wtc 7 how ?



David L. Griscom, PhD – Research physicist, retired in 2001 from Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) in Washington, DC, after 33 years service. Fellow of the American Physical Society. Fulbright-García Robles Fellow at Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México in Mexico City (1997). Visiting professorships of research at the Universities of Paris and Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology (2000 - 2003). Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Arizona (2004 - 2005). Winner of the 1993 N. F. Mott Award sponsored by the Journal of Non-Crystalline Solids, the 1995 Otto Schott Award offered by the Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung (Germany), a 1996 Outstanding Graduate School Alumnus Award at Brown University, and the 1997 Sigma Xi Pure Science Award at NRL. Principal author of 109 of his 185 published works, a body of work which is highly cited by his peers. Officially credited with largest number of papers (5) by any author on list of 100 most cited articles authored at NRL between 1973 and 1988.
Personal blog 1/5/07: "David Ray Griffin has web-published a splendid, highly footnoted account of The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True: This scholarly work, rich in eyewitness accounts, includes 11 separate pieces of evidence that the World Trade Center towers 1, 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and 7 were brought down by explosives. [

... I implore my fellow physicists and engineers who may have the time, expertise, and (ideally) supercomputer access to get to work on the physics of the World Trade Center collapses and publish their findings in refereed journals like, say, the Journal of Applied Physics.

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[LoudMcCloud]

Who knows what is going on. Just better prepare.

 

[SFC Ollie]

So the fact that thousands of people and nearly 2 million man hours were spent shifting through the debris and examining any thing larger than a quarter of an inch means they would not have found any evidence of explosives.....News flash: If there was evidence of anything to be found they would have found it, looking directly for it or not.........

What can you imagine? "OOps here's some det cord better put this in my pocket"?

Give it up.....

 

[LoudMcCloud]

Go on youtube and listen to testimonies from the firefighters.

 

[SFC Ollie]

We have, hundreds of times, your point?

 

[Gamolon]

There is evidence of thermite in every sample of the 911 dust.

There is?

You wouldn't happen to be speaking of Harrit's Bentham paper would you?

 

[Gamolon]

Again without facts I can't form a theory...?

And I particularly enjoy the defenders of the official conspiracy theory who are so gullible that they can't tell the difference between controlled demolition and fire damage.

So wihosa.

You admit you don't have any facts as far as what happened in the first quote, but then make the statement that implies you know for a fact that it was controlled demolition. You even go so far as to say people are gullible that they can't tell the difference, even though you claim there "are no facts".

You claim there are no facts yet say there is proof of thermite.

So what gives? Why are you contradicting yourself?

 

[Gamolon]

As I pointed out, you are the one with the conspiracy theory to defend.

Ahhhh...

It becomes clear now!

You TRY and feign neutrality when it comes to what you believe happened (and are failing miserably) because you don't want the burden of proving what you believe and getting into a debate about it.

Makes sense now.

 

[SAYIT]

No amount of evidence will dissuade a conspiracy theorist, but when they appeal to scientific evidence, they're fair game. And the 9-11 conspiracy sites have some very strange science.
9-11 conspirators seem to be a mix of liberals still smarting over 2000 and ultra-conservatives angry that George Bush Jr. hasn't opened the national parks to a land rush. But if Dubya orchestrated a massive conspiracy to bring down the World Trade Center as a pretext for launching a Mideast War, why didn't he pull off the far simpler trick of faking the discovery of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Think of it - his biggest political liability could have been avoided with a piddling investment in special effects, Bush would be seen as America's savior, his strategy would be completely vindicated, and he'd be politically unassailable. All it would take would be spritzing an empty factory with the ingredients for nerve gas, with just enough cross-contamination to create a whiff of the real thing. Yet for some strange reason he didn't do it. - Steve Dutch, retired professor of Natural and Applied Sciences at University of Wisconsin, Green Bay

Nutty 9-11 Physics

this is what you call science...lol no wonder you are so deluded ..this editorial rant explains away wtc 7 how ?

It's just a paragraph intended to whet your appetite. Open the link and your mind, Princess.

 

[SAYIT]

Who knows what is going on. Just better prepare.

Sound advice. I'm preparing for golf season. You?

 

[SAYIT]

And I particularly enjoy the defenders of the official conspiracy theory who are so gullible that they can't tell the difference between controlled demolition and fire damage.

that would be you guys.... if it were a CD, why the planes?
there is no evidence of explosives or thermite or any other exotic substances.
there were no video or audio capture of blast waves a sure sign of a CD.
there was no forensic evidence of their use either.
if you shit heads are claiming cover up then you must prove WHO ,what HOW AND WHY.
in 11 years you've done none of those.

We know what the official conspiracy theory is, why repeat it?
There is evidence of thermite in every sample of the 911 dust.

Absolute CTBS. Link?

 

[candycorn]

I started a thread in which I asked " do you believe the official 911 story". The censors, er, excuse me, moderators on this site immediately switched it to the conspiracy theories category. If you read my posts you know that I never advanced a theory for what happened on 911. Instead I said why I didn't believe the official story and advocated for a real crime investigation led by a special prosecutor with subpoena power.

I was of course immediately attacked by people who for what ever reason chose to defend the official story. Don't like the message? Attack the messenger.

Bottom line is that I was not advancing a conspiracy theory, but all the defenders of the official story are, because without a real investigation we Are left with the impossible theory that Bin Laden and his lieutenants living in caves in Afghanistan could slip operatives into America and even though the FBI knew they were here they did not apprehend them. They then hijacked airplanes, made U turns in the sky but no military aircraft intercepted them. They then flew them into buildings which crumbled to the ground. They flew one into the Pentagon one of the most fortified buildings in the world, again unmolested. Then a modern 47 story steel frame high rise building which was not even hit by a plane completely collapsed into its own footprint in a matter of seconds supposedly as a result of fire, something which has never happened before. All this is advanced as the theory of what happened on 911 and I'm called the conspiracy theorist?

If it were not so horrendous it would be hilarious.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but the defenders of the official story are.

Without a real investigation we are left with the impossible conspiracy theory I outlined above.

By the way, I posted this under the conspiracy theories because that is what the official story is!

Just so we can all get a laugh from your response,

What are the facts of what happened that day (9/11/01). Surely you must agree that something happened, right or do you need a special prosecutor to tell you that 4 planes hit 3 buildings?

 

[eots]

this is what you call science...lol no wonder you are so deluded ..this editorial rant explains away wtc 7 how ?

It's just a paragraph intended to whet your appetite. Open the link and your mind, Princess.

oh yes now i see its all chock full of science like this

Why Did WTC 7 Collapse?

Good question. The investigators were baffled. But the conspiracy theory doesn't explain anything. Why bring down an empty building hours after the main attack?
Nutty 9-11 Physics

what an Idiot you are

 

[SAYIT]

It's just a paragraph intended to whet your appetite. Open the link and your mind, Princess.

oh yes now i see its all chock full of science like this

Why Did WTC 7 Collapse?

Good question. The investigators were baffled. But the conspiracy theory doesn't explain anything. Why bring down an empty building hours after the main attack?
Nutty 9-11 Physics

what an Idiot you are

Just thought I'd highlight that for you, Princess.

 

[eots]

oh yes now i see its all chock full of science like this

Why Did WTC 7 Collapse?

Good question. The investigators were baffled. But the conspiracy theory doesn't explain anything. Why bring down an empty building hours after the main attack?
Nutty 9-11 Physics

what an Idiot you are

Just thought I'd highlight that for you, Princess.

good.. highlight what you call science it explains a lot about your mentality