Who Will Poll Better After The Debates Start? ...lol...

[Silhouette]

Well, the thread title says it all. Hillary's "attack" (just telling the truth) ads about Trump have only begun to break the surface. How would a misogynist like Trump maintain composure during debates with a sharp and cunning woman, after she baits him into his "automatic mode"?

Go ahead and donate to the Trump campaign. If you like pouring money down a black hole. And get ready for a LOT more of this:



The Trump campaign is a wash. Any betting man would put his money on that. What remains to be seen is how many republican senate and house hopefuls in close states are dragged down the commode with him via party-association. Because Hillary and the DNC are going to hit those sore spots as well with the new fodder coming in debates from Trump.

The GOP has like just a few nanoseconds left to think fast. Two dead horses (emails and Benghazi) can't overcome people's visceral reaction to a madman (Trump). With the democrats now unified and Trump having alienated virtually all key demographics he needed to win, the GOP has a rotting albatross around its collective neck in Trump/Pence...

The usual (and oddly cooperative?) escalation of violent/scary events around an election (statistically shown to push more undecideds to the GOP) also aren't going to be enough to overcome the Trump-shock in the average voters. Maybe sew his mouth shut before each debate?

 

[SuperDemocrat]

The children are watching...they are watching a woman just say I really don't give a shit about the benghazi survivors...

 

[BluesLegend]

When Trump asks Hillary why she defends her wife cheating intern banging perv husband who humps women half his age in the work place we'll see who pops a gasket lib.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

 

[Silhouette]

The children are watching...they are watching a woman just say I really don't give a shit about the benghazi survivors...

That's not what Hillary meant. She meant "what difference does it make because they're already dead!". The GOP manufactured the Benghazi/Hillary story precisely to smear her because they knew she intended to run for Office in 2016. Unless you can prove to voters that the stale story of Benghazi was about Hillary herself killing four Americans in the war-torn ME where Americans are by nature always in danger, Hillary or not, then you'd do better to bark up a different tree.

Just telling you this as someone who wants to see the GOP at least hold onto the Senate majority, truthfully, through the eyes of an average voter. Better find a new horse to whip and fast..one that doesn't involve an obvious look of desperation from the GOP. Ever heard of the story "never cry wolf"? Let that be your strategic guidepost from now until November..

Remember, I was pushing for a Kasich ticket. If the GOP had instructed Fox to promote him, the GOP would be on easy street and Hillary would be looking elsewhere for a new job come November.

But no...alas no. Fox News liked the Trump ratings. Kasich gives orders, he doesn't take them or be bought for them. Hence why the real power in the GOP didn't want him. Money wins and the GOP loses. I'm sure if Trump can overcome the unbelievable hurdles of his own ego and mouth, and win the Whitehouse somehow (against mathematics), he can strike a deal with the actual GOP leadership (Dick Cheney's gang), as long as Putin doesn't succeed in provoking Trump's "automatic mode" by insulting Trump's ego publicly.

 

[Silhouette]

I have a strategic tip for the GOP. It's really out there but it might actually get them the Whitehouse and the Senate. FIND A WAY TO INSERT A CANDIDATE ON YOUR TICKET THAT ACTUALLY CAN GOVERN and who can get many of the moderate voters. Someone who doesn't have a pathological personality or the look and feel of a marionette puppet. A person voters know that the GOP cronies don't really care for....and who was played down on Fox News as evidence of that sentiment. Someone who could carry the wary voters of the Rustbelt AND California...

I can think of a name that comes right to mind here...

 

[CowboyTed]

When Trump asks Hillary why she defends her wife cheating intern banging perv husband who humps women half his age in the work place we'll see who pops a gasket lib.

Answer:
What's the age difference between your latest wife and yourself?

But on a serious note, I wouldn't be going after Bill... He is out of your league... While you were bankrupting companies and carpet bagging in Atlantic City he was:

Here is a list of his achievements

• Longest economic expansion in American history
  The President's strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993.
• More than 22 million new jobs
  More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.
• Highest homeownership in American history
  A strong economy and fiscal discipline kept interest rates low, making it possible for more families to buy homes. The homeownership rate increased from 64.2 percent in 1992 to 67. 7 percent, the highest rate ever.
• Lowest unemployment in 30 years
  Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.
• Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
  Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.
• Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
  President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.
• Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
  President Clinton and Vice President Gore's new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.
• Lowest crime rate in 26 years
  Because of President Clinton's comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.
• 100,000 more police for our streets
  As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.
• Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
  Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.
• Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
  To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.
• Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
  The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.
• Higher incomes at all levels
  After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.
• Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
  Since Congress passed President Clinton's Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year — the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.
• Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
  In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.
• Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
  The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.
• Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
  Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.
• Protected millions of acres of American land
  President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America's national forests.
• Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
  Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion — the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.
• Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
  Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton's call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.
• Lowest government spending in three decades
  Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.
• Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
  President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.
• More families own stock than ever before
  The number of families owning stock in the United States increased by 40 percent since 1992.
• Most diverse cabinet in American history
  The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.

 

[Siete]

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if Clinton gets a bounce after her convention like Trump did are you going to claim how screwed up polls are?


sure you are.

Romney Trending Win !

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

IMO, Trumpenfurher will make hay in the debates, if he goes on the offensive like he did in the primaries. No doubt he will get questions on things like the Constitution and what "conservatism" means to him, which I don't believe he will be able to vamp his way out of nearly as easily, so he had better be well prepared.

Hillary really can't debate her way out of a wet paper bag. She'll need assists from the alleged moderators and unforced errors from her opponent, in order to make any headway.

Speaking of not being to debate one's way out of a wet paper bag, Gary Johnson only stands to lose if included in the debates, IMO. Moreover, the media will go out of their way to make him look bad, in order to keep the false dichotomy (D) or (R) thing going. Better he just stay out campaigning, running ads, and try not to embarrass himself.

 

[Silhouette]

IMO, Trumpenfurher will make hay in the debates, if he goes on the offensive like he did in the primaries.

Yeah...the kind of hay I muck out of the horse stalls. And it will be stuck all over the collective face of the GOP in states where Congressional races are close.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Yeah...the kind of hay I muck out of the horse stalls. And it will be stuck all over the collective face of the GOP in states where Congressional races are close.

GOP rivals underestimated his attack dog skills. Best that the Hillary camp not fall into the same trap.

 

[paulitician]

Ha, the Clintons 'role models?' A corrupt criminal witch and a serial rapist? WTF??

 

[Silhouette]

IMO, Trumpenfurher will make hay in the debates, if he goes on the offensive like he did in the primaries.

Yeah...the kind of hay I muck out of the horse stalls. And it will be stuck all over the collective face of the GOP in states where Congressional races are close.

GOP rivals underestimated his attack dog skills. Best that the Hillary camp not fall into the same trap.

Except that the voters watching and at stake are the undecideds...who typically think cerebrally more than Trump visceral-supporters. Know your target demographics. Then formulate a plan.

This particular group isn't impressed by or worse, finds repugnant the wanton attacks from the foaming mouth of the obvious-narcissist/bully D.J. Trump. His primary attacks, which didn't net him the majority of the GOP BTW, only around 40% with many still refusing to support him (a divided party because of Trump's exact antics you just claimed were "winning"), are not going to work for him in these particular debates. They are a whole other proving ground; one he is exceptionally ill-suited to navigate.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Except that the voters watching and at stake are the undecideds...who typically think cerebrally more than Trump visceral-supporters. Know your target demographics. Then formulate a plan.

This particular group isn't impressed by or worse, finds repugnant the wanton attacks from the foaming mouth of the obvious-narcissist/bully D.J. Trump. His primary attacks, which didn't net him the majority of the GOP BTW, only around 40% with many still refusing to support him (a divided party because of Trump's exact antics you just claimed were "winning"), are not going to work for him in these particular debates. They are a whole other proving ground; one he is exceptionally ill-suited to navigate.

Maybe, maybe not. That's conventional wisdom, which has been shot all to hell this election cycle.

 

[Silhouette]

Maybe, maybe not. That's conventional wisdom, which has been shot all to hell this election cycle.

No, that's just the thing, conventional wisdom could've predicted exactly what happened in the GOP primaries. Soros-manufactured protests from the far left...the one thing the numbskull hicks on the right could not/would not stand for...all geared strangely at Trump (but not Rubio or Cruz with their own radical ideas repugnant to the far left), sealed the kneejerk vote from the 40% of GOP voters who think with the tiny little reptilian brain. "How dare you attack our hero Trump! I'm gonna convince 10 more of my friends at the bar to vote for him too!!" Sheer genius on Soros' part. Conventional wisdom could have predicted that.

So, conventional wisdom once again can be relied upon to predict how the more cerebral undecideds will cast their vote after they suffer through three months of Trump's augmented mouth-diarrhea at the upcoming debates. And of course Soros et al calculated this little outfall of a Trump nomination as well.

Like I said, a betting man wouldn't put a dime on Trump's success this Fall. Nor the success from association for many of the Congressional GOP hopefuls in states where the races are close.

The GOP has but two choices, since beating its dead horses, or creating new sensations only make it look more desperate to a cerebral demographic they're trying to woo. Either find a way to scrape Trump off the ticket, or face political suicide not just of the Executive Branch, but of the Legislative and Judicial branches as well.

Will the ENTIRE GOP commit existential suicide for one grifting New York Liberal RINO? That's what the question actually boils down to.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

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if Clinton gets a bounce after her convention like Trump did are you going to claim how screwed up polls are?


sure you are.

Romney Trending Win !

Nope.I'd be skeptical though, I don't forsee that kind of bounce coming either.

 

[Zoom-boing]

That's not what Hillary meant. She meant "what difference does it make because they're already dead!".

No shit that's what she meant. "So, wtf difference does it make HOW they were killed, HOW they died, they're dead already, let's just let them be." Yeah, we know exactly what she meant. Fucking. Callous. Bitch.

 

[Silhouette]

Nope.I'd be skeptical though, I don't forsee that kind of bounce coming either.

One of the best political analogies I've heard said this: people are going to either vote for Trump or vote for Hillary based on their (the voter's) personality, not some issue that suddenly comes up with either one. Those who are predisposed to liking Trump will always like Trump and nothing will sway them. Those that are predisposed to NOT liking Trump will always not like him. One thing is sure: there is no mild reaction to Trump.

So the vote will be "Trump!" lovers and Never-Trump folks. I think Trump has maxed out his appeal and Hillary has just gotten started selling herself. So, there you go.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Nope.I'd be skeptical though, I don't forsee that kind of bounce coming either.

One of the best political analogies I've heard said this: people are going to either vote for Trump or vote for Hillary based on their (the voter's) personality, not some issue that suddenly comes up with either one. Those who are predisposed to liking Trump will always like Trump and nothing will sway them. Those that are predisposed to NOT liking Trump will always not like him. One thing is sure: there is no mild reaction to Trump.

So the vote will be "Trump!" lovers and Never-Trump folks.

Ah, nice broad brush there but ... no.

You're leaving out an entire uuge group of people who, despite despising Trump, will do whatever it takes to keep clinton out. That includes Bernie supporters.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

If, and its a big uncertain if, Trump can stay calm during the debates and just bring up Clintons past lies and how she got away with the classified information on her server due to political appointments, Hillary should blow up and show the true her.
If and another big if, Trump can stay calm through that, it will raise a big question as to who might be better in office. Then vindictive socialist anti American or the calm business man that wants to try and fix the budget.