CDZ Who Was The First Party To Elect Blacks To Office?

[JakeStarkey]

You equate government programs with slavery and then claim it's not hyperbole? I'm not sure you understand the definitions of "slavery" "government programs" and "hyperbole".

I have known many people on welfare.
Once you go on it , it is very difficult to get off of it. They live month to month on welfare and it does not allow people to get enough money in order to really help them out of their poverty, it is designed to keep them in their poverty and that is monetary enslavement.
When the get only the minimum payments each month to just barely survive they can't get enough to save and get them out of it.
That's monetary slavery.
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid.

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

So have I.

Talk to anyone on public assistance, be it unemployment insurance, Social Security disability, food stamps, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, what have you, and you'll find that these benefits are predominantly structured to disincentivize incremental steps toward becoming financially independent. Often they will have income thresholds above which the assistance abruptly and completely disappears instead of tapering off. But those thresholds are still pretty far from a reasonable and comfortable living, leaving an income gap in which you'd have a higher standard of living on public assistance. So to make ends meet, the welfare recipient is stuck collecting welfare and hoping for a quantum leap in income that may never come.

One person I know who is collecting Social Security for a mental disability, though she was productively contributing on a very part-time basis at a daycare. She literally told me, "I can't work more hours or my Social Security will go away." If she worked full time, which she was capable of doing, her total income would have fallen enough that she would have lost her apartment. Given the situation, it is just as rational a choice for her to work very little at part time.
It is all structured to keep them in the system.

I work in Section Eight Housing. I've been here for more than 11 years. No one receiving voucher payments when I started are still on the program but the elderly.

We can go anecdote for anecdote all day. But your information is flawed and incorrect when examined through the lens of actual statistics.

I have known many people on welfare.
Once you go on it , it is very difficult to get off of it. They live month to month on welfare and it does not allow people to get enough money in order to really help them out of their poverty, it is designed to keep them in their poverty and that is monetary enslavement.
When the get only the minimum payments each month to just barely survive they can't get enough to save and get them out of it.
That's monetary slavery.
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid.

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

So have I.

Talk to anyone on public assistance, be it unemployment insurance, Social Security disability, food stamps, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, what have you, and you'll find that these benefits are predominantly structured to disincentivize incremental steps toward becoming financially independent. Often they will have income thresholds above which the assistance abruptly and completely disappears instead of tapering off. But those thresholds are still pretty far from a reasonable and comfortable living, leaving an income gap in which you'd have a higher standard of living on public assistance. So to make ends meet, the welfare recipient is stuck collecting welfare and hoping for a quantum leap in income that may never come.

One person I know who is collecting Social Security for a mental disability, though she was productively contributing on a very part-time basis at a daycare. She literally told me, "I can't work more hours or my Social Security will go away." If she worked full time, which she was capable of doing, her total income would have fallen enough that she would have lost her apartment. Given the situation, it is just as rational a choice for her to work very little at part time.
It is all structured to keep them in the system.

I've talked to plenty of former welfare recipients. Your information is wrong.

Welfare-to-Work

"In addition, program participants may be eligible for help with child care , transportation, and work-related or training-related expenses. Moreover, participants who find a job and are no longer eligible for welfare may continue to receive help with medical care and child care expenses."

Yeah that program has not worked out too well has it?
California is the 3rd largest State with people on welfare and New York is number one.

Because they are the 1st and 3rd largest states in population?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The question concerns what SJ called "government monetary slavery called welfare". That's partisan hyperbole..

I'm not the one who said that but it's true, nonetheless.

That is a false consciousness statement by S. J., whose language makes him suspect as a racialist.

Stop flaming, this is the CDZ.

Your language is flaming, not me. Such language is a form of false consciousness, a typical tactic of yours, S. J. Don't use such language if you don't want it pointed out.

What language did S. J. use Jake?

If and when he uses it again, I will point it out. That you don't agree means nothing.

 

[S.J.]

I'm not the one who said that but it's true, nonetheless.

I said it and it's true, it is not hyperbole.

You equate government programs with slavery and then claim it's not hyperbole? I'm not sure you understand the definitions of "slavery" "government programs" and "hyperbole".

I have known many people on welfare.
Once you go on it , it is very difficult to get off of it. They live month to month on welfare and it does not allow people to get enough money in order to really help them out of their poverty, it is designed to keep them in their poverty and that is monetary enslavement.
When the get only the minimum payments each month to just barely survive they can't get enough to save and get them out of it.
That's monetary slavery.
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid.

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

I didn't make the claim.

 

[JakeStarkey]

This claim, "It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved)," is false. It is merely an opinion without fact.

 

[S.J.]

I'm not the one who said that but it's true, nonetheless.

That is a false consciousness statement by S. J., whose language makes him suspect as a racialist.

Stop flaming, this is the CDZ.

Your language is flaming, not me. Such language is a form of false consciousness, a typical tactic of yours, S. J. Don't use such language if you don't want it pointed out.

What language did S. J. use Jake?

If and when he uses it again, I will point it out. That you don't agree means nothing.

Why don't you point it out now?

 

[peach174]

I'm not the one who said that but it's true, nonetheless.

I said it and it's true, it is not hyperbole.

You equate government programs with slavery and then claim it's not hyperbole? I'm not sure you understand the definitions of "slavery" "government programs" and "hyperbole".

I have known many people on welfare.
Once you go on it , it is very difficult to get off of it. They live month to month on welfare and it does not allow people to get enough money in order to really help them out of their poverty, it is designed to keep them in their poverty and that is monetary enslavement.
When the get only the minimum payments each month to just barely survive they can't get enough to save and get them out of it.
That's monetary slavery.
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid.

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

No one said that they can't get off them.
I said it makes it very difficult to get off.

 

[Asclepias]

I said it and it's true, it is not hyperbole.

You equate government programs with slavery and then claim it's not hyperbole? I'm not sure you understand the definitions of "slavery" "government programs" and "hyperbole".

I have known many people on welfare.
Once you go on it , it is very difficult to get off of it. They live month to month on welfare and it does not allow people to get enough money in order to really help them out of their poverty, it is designed to keep them in their poverty and that is monetary enslavement.
When the get only the minimum payments each month to just barely survive they can't get enough to save and get them out of it.
That's monetary slavery.
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid.

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

No one said that they can't get off them.
I said it makes it very difficult to get off.

How so?

 

[Nosmo King]

I said it and it's true, it is not hyperbole.

You equate government programs with slavery and then claim it's not hyperbole? I'm not sure you understand the definitions of "slavery" "government programs" and "hyperbole".

I have known many people on welfare.
Once you go on it , it is very difficult to get off of it. They live month to month on welfare and it does not allow people to get enough money in order to really help them out of their poverty, it is designed to keep them in their poverty and that is monetary enslavement.
When the get only the minimum payments each month to just barely survive they can't get enough to save and get them out of it.
That's monetary slavery.
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid.

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

No one said that they can't get off them.
I said it makes it very difficult to get off.

What if there were jobs in their area? I live in a small, rural county in Ohio. There just is not the opportunity to work here.

 

[peach174]

You equate government programs with slavery and then claim it's not hyperbole? I'm not sure you understand the definitions of "slavery" "government programs" and "hyperbole".

I have known many people on welfare.
Once you go on it , it is very difficult to get off of it. They live month to month on welfare and it does not allow people to get enough money in order to really help them out of their poverty, it is designed to keep them in their poverty and that is monetary enslavement.
When the get only the minimum payments each month to just barely survive they can't get enough to save and get them out of it.
That's monetary slavery.
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid.

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

No one said that they can't get off them.
I said it makes it very difficult to get off.

How so?

Read post # 113

 

[Asclepias]

I have known many people on welfare.
Once you go on it , it is very difficult to get off of it. They live month to month on welfare and it does not allow people to get enough money in order to really help them out of their poverty, it is designed to keep them in their poverty and that is monetary enslavement.
When the get only the minimum payments each month to just barely survive they can't get enough to save and get them out of it.
That's monetary slavery.
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid.

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

No one said that they can't get off them.
I said it makes it very difficult to get off.

How so?

Read post # 113

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

 

[S.J.]

I'm willing to let the mods inter

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

No one said that they can't get off them.
I said it makes it very difficult to get off.

How so?

Read post # 113

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

If jobs are available, they should apply for them. Isn't that a no brainer?

 

[Asclepias]

I'm willing to let the mods inter

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

No one said that they can't get off them.
I said it makes it very difficult to get off.

How so?

Read post # 113

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

If jobs are available, they should apply for them. Isn't that a no brainer?

its only a no brainer if you are qualified for a job that can make welfare irrelevant. Most people on welfare are not trained on these jobs or they wouldnt be on welfare in the first place.

 

[peach174]

It is slavery and similar to drug addiction, designed to keep people dependent (enslaved).

Do you have proof that, once on government programs, no one can get off them? Be cautious. I work with folks on government programs and have done so for the past 11 years.

No one said that they can't get off them.
I said it makes it very difficult to get off.

How so?

Read post # 113

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

Yes I did and I did not say it was easy to get off welfare I said it makes is difficult to get off of welfare.
I said that it takes away some the other assistance provided if they get a job. It's all tied together.

 

[S.J.]

I'm willing to let the mods inter

No one said that they can't get off them.
I said it makes it very difficult to get off.

How so?

Read post # 113

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

If jobs are available, they should apply for them. Isn't that a no brainer?

its only a no brainer if you are qualified for a job that can make welfare irrelevant. Most people on welfare are not trained on these jobs or they wouldnt be on welfare in the first place.

There are free job training programs everywhere but one has to prefer work over a handout before they will be motivated to take advantage of them. The "I'm not qualified for that job" excuse doesn't hold water any more.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I'm willing to let the mods inter

How so?

Read post # 113

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

If jobs are available, they should apply for them. Isn't that a no brainer?

its only a no brainer if you are qualified for a job that can make welfare irrelevant. Most people on welfare are not trained on these jobs or they wouldnt be on welfare in the first place.

There are free job training programs everywhere but one has to prefer work over a handout before they will be motivated to take advantage of them. The "I'm not qualified for that job" excuse doesn't hold water any more.

It never did. Please show us the evidence that it is the case that folks are preferring "a handout before they will be motivated" for job training.

 

[Asclepias]

I'm willing to let the mods inter

How so?

Read post # 113

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

If jobs are available, they should apply for them. Isn't that a no brainer?

its only a no brainer if you are qualified for a job that can make welfare irrelevant. Most people on welfare are not trained on these jobs or they wouldnt be on welfare in the first place.

There are free job training programs everywhere but one has to prefer work over a handout before they will be motivated to take advantage of them. The "I'm not qualified for that job" excuse doesn't hold water any more.

Where are there free job training programs that instantly make you trained in a field of work so you wont have to use welfare? You do realize training takes time and you still have to eat and feed your kids?

 

[S.J.]

I'm willing to let the mods inter

Read post # 113

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

If jobs are available, they should apply for them. Isn't that a no brainer?

its only a no brainer if you are qualified for a job that can make welfare irrelevant. Most people on welfare are not trained on these jobs or they wouldnt be on welfare in the first place.

There are free job training programs everywhere but one has to prefer work over a handout before they will be motivated to take advantage of them. The "I'm not qualified for that job" excuse doesn't hold water any more.

Where are there free job training programs that instantly make you trained in a field of work so you wont have to use welfare? You do realize training takes time and you still have to eat and feed your kids?

There are job training programs offered in nearly every community, and you still get your welfare checks while you are attending training classes. But again, you have to WANT to get off welfare.

 

[Asclepias]

I'm willing to let the mods inter

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

If jobs are available, they should apply for them. Isn't that a no brainer?

its only a no brainer if you are qualified for a job that can make welfare irrelevant. Most people on welfare are not trained on these jobs or they wouldnt be on welfare in the first place.

There are free job training programs everywhere but one has to prefer work over a handout before they will be motivated to take advantage of them. The "I'm not qualified for that job" excuse doesn't hold water any more.

Where are there free job training programs that instantly make you trained in a field of work so you wont have to use welfare? You do realize training takes time and you still have to eat and feed your kids?

There are job training programs offered in nearly every community, and you still get your welfare checks while you are attending training classes. But again, you have to WANT to get off welfare.

Thats not what I asked. I asked which ones instantly get you trained so you dont have to be on welfare?

 

[peach174]

I'm willing to let the mods inter
If jobs are available, they should apply for them. Isn't that a no brainer?

its only a no brainer if you are qualified for a job that can make welfare irrelevant. Most people on welfare are not trained on these jobs or they wouldnt be on welfare in the first place.

There are free job training programs everywhere but one has to prefer work over a handout before they will be motivated to take advantage of them. The "I'm not qualified for that job" excuse doesn't hold water any more.

Where are there free job training programs that instantly make you trained in a field of work so you wont have to use welfare? You do realize training takes time and you still have to eat and feed your kids?

There are job training programs offered in nearly every community, and you still get your welfare checks while you are attending training classes. But again, you have to WANT to get off welfare.

Thats not what I asked. I asked which ones instantly get you trained so you dont have to be on welfare?

I know a guy that was on welfare that was in hurricane Katrina.
He was not able to get off welfare because it did not pay him enough to move out of that city in order to look for, or get a good job. It kept him tied down there.
They bused him and his two boys to our area.
He was willing and wanting to get off welfare.
He was able to find a job here, that also provided the housing for him from the company and his two boys and it was on the job training.
He got off welfare instantly and he is still working at that same job today making a very good wage with great benefits.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I'm willing to let the mods inter

I did read that post and responded to it. You havent been able to tell me how it is that people can easily get off of welfare with all the help it provides if jobs are available?

If jobs are available, they should apply for them. Isn't that a no brainer?

its only a no brainer if you are qualified for a job that can make welfare irrelevant. Most people on welfare are not trained on these jobs or they wouldnt be on welfare in the first place.

There are free job training programs everywhere but one has to prefer work over a handout before they will be motivated to take advantage of them. The "I'm not qualified for that job" excuse doesn't hold water any more.

Where are there free job training programs that instantly make you trained in a field of work so you wont have to use welfare? You do realize training takes time and you still have to eat and feed your kids?

There are job training programs offered in nearly every community, and you still get your welfare checks while you are attending training classes. But again, you have to WANT to get off welfare.

No one disputes that. I have known folks in our church who have done that. Do you know any folks who have done it?